Game Thread: September 14, 2008

by Ryan on Sep 14, 2008 12:30 PM EDT in Game Threads

Kansas City Royals at Cleveland Indians, Sep 14, 2008 1:05 PM EDT

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am i the only one who doesn’t like football?

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

this place is packed. add me to the list of “doesn’t like football.”

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Football sucks.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I am also not a football fan, unless you mean soccer.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Sep 15, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I loved football until I was in my late 20s and then it totally lost its appeal to me. I pretty much watch the Super Bowl and that’s it. I will never stop loving baseball, even after multiple, ridiculously heartbreaking seasons.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Each year I like football less. I haven’t watched the Super Bowl in ten years.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Yet it keeps getting more popular with most people. I don’t get it.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

there’s lots of room for sociological studies about violence, football, and the american zeitgeist

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Whose American Zeitgeist? I wasn’t aware such a thing as an overarching Zeitgeist exists in a nation as diverse as ours.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

uh … because i don’t know how to respond i’ll let merriam webster take the stand for me:

Main Entry:
    zeit·geist Listen to the pronunciation of zeitgeist Listen to the pronunciation of zeitgeist
Pronunciation:
    \ˈtsīt-ˌgīst, ˈzīt-\
Function:
    noun
Usage:
    often capitalized
Etymology:
    German, from Zeit + Geist spirit
Date:
    1835

: the general intellectual, moral, and cultural climate of an era

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m just bustin’ your balls, but some volks will read more into it.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s sort of a hierarchically nested zeitgeist system…. A big, overall zeitgeist, inside which there are several zeitgeists for individual groups. I think that’s how it works. It’s quite spooky, actually

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Hmm /strokes stubbly weekend beard/ well, I’d leave this to the philosophers, but since the rest of the world rejects American Football I believe we can dismiss the notion that it has anything to do with a Zeitgeist which, if such a thing exists at all, ought to be a pan-cultural phenomenon, no?

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

hmm… it is a cultural phenomenon, no? Just a question of how broad a culture

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I dunno. I have only minimal exposure to the humanities, but aren’t we talking about a rare event, or even an anachronistic concept? Like, it’s a convenient term in describing the Industrial Revolution, or Enlightenment, or the forces which drew Europe + the Ottomans into conflict in WW1. When we start talking about weaving and overlapping modern Zeitgeists, I think it’s time to discard its use. At present there are all kinds of social forces circulating in Our Culture—many in direct opposition—and I think this word only adds to the confusion.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions

hmm…. I don’t think it’s an event… I think it just refers to a broad set of cultural conditions, in which context we interpret events, people’s values, etc. I don’t see how it’s obsolete

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ll think it over. If there exist multiple ways of interpreting this word—I have mine, and it’s attached to major historical events. You have yours—it seems to me that violates its meaning. Like I said, I’ll think it over.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

i’m obvs with the good doctor on this one

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I know. You can have your Zeitgeist and I’ll have mine.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I suppose part of the Zeitgeist could be said to be the connotations that words have….

I can’t find anything that seems consistent with the notion of a Zeitgeist as an event itself, but let me know if you find a source for that.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

You could say the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo was an event that marked the end of one Zeitgeist and the start of another. It defined the end of monarchy and the start of social democracy, or something.

Hiroshima would be another such event. Or Waterloo.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

By definition, wouldn’t a Zeitgeist take place invisibly? We’d only know one exists after the fact, even if every era is marked by a Zeitgeist.

We haven’t all sat down and agreed, “yes, this is a Zeitgeist”.

GFP proposes a Zeitgeist exists in the present tense. I missed the memo. If he believes this to be the case, than it seems to me he has a little more work to do in describing what this Zeitgeist is and who it belongs to. Otherwise, it is just another big word.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

No, I believe zeitgeist is not strictly a historical term, though that was Herder’s original use of it. I think we can cite the terms of our present epoch. We don’t have to agree on it, either. There are plenty of people who have opposing views toward the zeitgeist of 1917. That said, I think if ten people were asked to cite ten terms that define the spirit of the present time, they would come up with roughly similar terms.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Then why not say “spirit of our times” instead of Zeitgeist? What good is this word at all? Does it help any of us get a clearer picture of our world? I find it confusing and pretentious.

I’m by no means a superb writer, but I guess I’m coming from the same perspective of Orwell, whose essay Politics of the English Language condemns these vague, pseudo-intellectual expressions.

Orwell’s 6 rules are:

1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
2. Never use a long word where a short one will do.
   3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
   4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
   6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I think there’s a case to be made for using the “foreign”, “jargon” word in cases like these, which is to say when they carry a set of connotations or a degree of precision in meaning that can be accessed through use of the term. Using a phrase like “spirit of the times”, though a more or less literal translation of the German, doesn’t have the history of use that would lend it the same degree of precision and richness of connotation as the term “Zeitgeist”. It would be a bit like saying “sauce” to refer to “salsa”; accurate, but lacking in precision. The English language has adopted the term “salsa” to refer to a specific kind of sauce, and so when you use it (in an English context), people know what you mean more than they would if you used a translated version. The underlying problem, I think, is that words don’t really have direct translations from one language to another, because the precise meaning of a word (i.e. the “mental concept” that is evoked through its use) is, well, dependent on the broader cultural context (dare I say Zeitgeist), as well as the context of the other words in the language itself.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

I have nothing to object with here. I am sure an efficacious use of this word exists, but does the phrase “…football, and the american zeitgeist” have any enhanced meaning to you at all?

Zeitgeist of what? How does this Zeitgeist include football? Where’s the salsa?

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m not sure it’s fair to pick apart GFP’s offhand comment too carefully. It was mostly a joke. Though, odradek’s comment below seems to capture what I took the suggested connection to be (our culture is increasingly interested in demarcating territories, and violently retaliating against those who threaten ours — the so-called “post 9/11 mindset” seems to map well onto football in that way). I don’t want to take the specific use too seriously though — my main contribution to this discussion has been the actual meaning and use of the term Zeitgeist itself, rather than the specific content of one.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I propose that “Zeitgeist” is not a word that should be released into a sentence independent of context, or in the manner it originated in this discussion. If its meaning is as flexible as you propose, then its user should take the time to apply some boundaries. Otherwise we’re taking it for granted that we’re all part of the same “cultural context”.

Like I said, I hear “American Zeitgeist” and I think, “Wha? Huh?” I know I’m not alone.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah, I mean, I agree that it’s not very specific to simply say “American Zeitgeist”. If one were seriously going to write a sociological treatise about football and zeitgeist, it would be necessary to more specifically lay out the intended content of the proposed “spirit”.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

but as to your previous point, substituting “American Spirit of the Times” doesn’t help either

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Jhon, Orwell is one of my favorites. Props for the reference. I’d like to point out that zeitgeist is shorter than spirit of the times. Plus zeitgeist has a roundness of meaning not inherent in spirit of the times. And, also, thanks to the richness of the English language, zeitgeist is as English as tamale or okra. Merriam Webster lists it, lower case roman, as an English word. Now it probably is a jargon word, but not if you’re a historian.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I suppose any “jargon” word loses that status, in some sense, among the community whose “jargon” it is… Whether it makes sense to use it depends on the extent to which the parties in the conversation can be expected to be somewhat familiar with the term and its use. “Zeitgeist” seems like a widely enough known term to justify its use here among such erudite folk as frequent these threads…

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m pretty sure Dr. Faustus wouldn’t qualify as a “good” doctor… having sold his soul and all. But thanks for the show of “moral support”. :-)

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Zeitgeist—spirit of the times—doesn’t have to be tied to a rare event, though if you wanted to you could hitch it to 9/11. It is to describe the prevailing mindset or a period. Memes if you will, though on a macro scale. Football is representative of a particular American mindset: militaristic, territorial, violent, technophiliac, insensitive, jingoistic, expansionist. Of course, you’re right that this doesn’t represent the mindset of Mexican Americans or Punjabi Americans, but it is a dominant cultural position. Baseball represents another position: pastoral, contemplative, analytical.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions

right, and there’s no particular reason to demarcate “boundaries” between Zeitgeists using specific events… While events such as world wars and terrorist attacks may have the effect of abruptly and significantly altering the prevailing Zeitgeist, it seems to me the term is better applied to a continuously changing background context, albeit one that has certain discontinuities marked by influential events (although perhaps this is at odds with the Hegelian concept of the Zeitgeist as a sort of “character”, which suggests a certain discreteness). To me, it seems hopeless to try to construct a uniform Zeitgeist concept that exists between two events without being purpose-defeatingly nonspecific.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

this is precisely what i meant. and in a post-modern, post 9/11 america, part of the cultural predominance is aggression. which is where i tied in football, because it’s more violent/aggressive than other sports.

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I gottcha. Sorry if I’m being too aggressive. I don’t follow football at all, so this milieu is the only available outlet for my aggreession.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

not at all. this sure beats talking about how the indians played this weekend

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

“milieu”, huh? That sounds awful ferrrn ta me…. You some kinda French-lovin’ commie?

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Funny you should mention that. I’ve toured the headquarters of the French Communist Party. It’s a fantastic building, a must-see for architects—I took a lot of photos inside—but it serves an obnoxious and mostly irrelevant cohort. No, I’m not a believer.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

As you must have suspected, our ban on political talk doesn’t extend to disavowing an affiliation with French Communists.

by Jay on Sep 14, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I am under the impression that there’s an unspoken ban on behaving too French.

I guess the Orwell reference made that clear, but the connection the Dr. makes between language and politics illustrates that old Orwellian principle I alluded to. Foreign words are particularly susceptible to unintended political associations.

by jhon on Sep 15, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes, they often do have that certain je ne sais qua.

by Jay on Sep 15, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Once again, I’m struck by the feeling that the fact that we’re having this discussion now is a marker to a casual stumbler upon this thread that the Indians are sucking.

On a related note, I wonder if Risk is becoming more popular with the rise of the post-9/11 expansionistic Zeitgeist…. :-)

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I came to talk about the game, but this one was too unpleasant.

I will add a relevant thought in another thread and wait for tomorrow.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

by peter m on Sep 15, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Football? I forget we have a team.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, change that that one part to “early twenties” and you got me to a T.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I love how this part of the thread is the only one that’s active at this point in the game.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions

football is meh for me. i’ll watch the browns but the rest i just don’t care

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I hate football, and the start of this thread is epic.

by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions

I slept in (I’m on the west coast). No football for me either

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions

Likewise. I didn’t wake up until 9:30 today, spilled a glass of water all over my nightstand, and went back to bed until 10AM because, well, it’s only water.

And even though I’m on the West Coast, I can still hear Ohio crying after yesterday’s Buckeye gem. Honestly. Ugh.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Ugh, OSU lost?

My co-workers are going to to be on suicide watch.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Lost would be a kind way of describing it.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

So how did we score, by the way?

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

vic sac fly, garko rbi single, peralta rbi infield single

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

ditto.

i was watching football.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Well. Jeremy Sowers is back.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions

hammy says the wind is blowing hard out of the ballpark

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

65 pitches in 2.1 innings. Pitching from behind. It’s not all the wind.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Other than Guillen he’s been getting ahead and then unable to put them away. Lots of 1-2 counts.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

he’s started off eight of the 15 hitters he’s faced with a ball.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I saw only one 3-1 count, though. He’d start 1-1 with a lot of hitters. Even when ahead he couldn’t put them away.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

There is danger here, cheree…

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

we have ourselves a new ballgame.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Who is this “Callaspo” fellow? I am familiar only with Key-ass-poo…

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions

he’s the one who beats his wife. steroid user: sorry, you’re a bad guy. domestic abuser: hey, come play for us!

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh Sowers. Where is the magic of Fasano now?

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions

Exactly what I was just going to post. Since Sowers is out of the game, can Shoppach come in and catch now?

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Tsawoawers injured or sucky?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions

nibbler. no injury as far as we can tell.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I think because of his pitch count and his overall suckiness.

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

2 men on and the 2,3,4 coming to the plate for Muijica. Smells like trouble.

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions

I have faith in ol’ Eddie Moo. Oh, wait. No.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

rincon is warming up, wedge must really want to win this one

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions

Ya, I had to laugh when Heegan said they “were buying time” to allow Rincon to get warm. I mean .. is it really crucial that he comes in to save this inning? Might as well let Muijica finish it out .. probably get the same results.

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Damn, I need to play the lottery .. that’s twice I have called it.

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish somebody would F with DeJesus

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions

The Indians’ recent play against the Royals, Mariners, and Orioles has been disturbing.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

Said play is what we in the business call “the suck”

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

This team has a great habit of snuffing out any trace of hope or momenteum they build throughout the year.

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

It would be much more disturbing if we had any chance of pulling back in the race.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey, at least I have a free Sunday now .. no need to stick around and watch this.

cya guys

by Toxicadam on Sep 14, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder if the number of runs the Royals score will continue to double by inning

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions

I gotta hand it to everyone who has appeared in this gamethread. You guys are diehards.

The weather is fine here in DC. A little hot. How’s it on your end? I’m gonna go outside and drink a damned beer.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions

i’m sitting at work in the air conditioning, drinking a gatorade

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

it’s pretty hot here as well.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 14, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

cold and rainy

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Got to this party way late. Sorry to see Sowers struggle like this. Just an ugly, pointless game. Windy city is raining cats and dogs. Nice work debating zeitgeist buzz word.

by joeee on Sep 14, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, Chicago was gross today.

by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Metro Health: a place where the Indians could win this game

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

I feel bad… the game was going fine until I started watching

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

The Indians aren’t done scoring today. Bannister has been horrible the last three months. They’ll touch him up for a few more.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions

I believe that… just a question of whether the bullpen can get anything resembling outs

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Ten in a row retired by Bannister.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Jeter just homered off Price

infuriating

by ahowie on Sep 14, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions

clutch

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Price was looking good until then, two perfect innings of relief

by ahowie on Sep 14, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

he ought to replace the suddenly consistent[ly bad] edwin jackson in the rotation.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions

i’m sad

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions

a SLew of left-handers for the Twins series

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Wedge has gone insane. He’s pitching Rundles in the fifth inning and lets him face more than one batter!

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions

on the bright side, playing our worst baseball of the season this weekend, we may just be that anti-spoiler that catapults the Twins over the White Sox

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions

Yankee fans just booed Pavano as he left the mound mid-inning with an injury.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions

And it was Carl Pavano’s 100th injury! A record.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I was always under the impression that breaking a record deserved some type of positive acknowledgment. Oh well. Even my mother knew the Yankees were so wrong in handing out those contracts to Pavano and Jaret Wright.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Just told my Yankee friend about this. Read an article that Pavano isn’t supposed to miss his next start. Told him that too. His response:

“Too bad.”

by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions

Milwaukee is hosting some Cubs-Astros games…. They’re just awesome

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions

Domes are generally not necessary. But in cold weather places, it sure makes April and October a lot more bearable. And, best of all, they prevent the saddest thing in baseball—a rainout.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

(just a nugget as I was thinking about Cleveland’s series there last year)

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Think it was worth it? No-hitter!

by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions

in front of 23,441 (unless that’s the paid Houston attendance)

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Hey, I bet everyone had moved down and had a great view by about the 7th inning.

by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

meh…at least Grady is hitting again. That much is good.

by obobcatu on Sep 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

Forty-two hits in 23.1 innings by the Royals, who I believe are the worst offense in the AL (or second worst).

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions

Second worst. Oakland is worse.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

No TV today. Anyone know why Sowers was pulled so early? I mean, besides sucking. Looks like he got a pretty quick hook.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions

lots and lots of pitches…. Like 75 or 80 through 3

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks. Don’t know how I missed that. Wow. Awful.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, so much for finishing at .500

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

Another offensive coitus interruptus. First inning it looks like the offense will be active today, and then is heard no more. How many times has that happened?

Hamilton said yesterday that this team unraveled whenever it gets close to .500.

by odradek on Sep 14, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow, we almost got to find out whether John Bale is a vampire

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions

Boy, I love being firmly reminded just how much we completely suck this year. :(

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions

Good times and bad. That’s what it’s all about. This year has sucked, but it’s almost over.

by jhon on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaaaaa.

Who still hates football?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

i thought we were watching a football game, but then again i’m just looking at the line score

by c9kay32 on Sep 14, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

zing!

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I come back to the game, figuring it must be time for us to be hitting again, and that’s what I get? Sheesh.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions

Andy pinch-hits.

Is this a first?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

Bizarro world — Marte pinch-hitting for Carroll

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

We just need baserunners.

A whoooole lot of them.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions

tying run at the plate, after we bat around

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions

With no strikeouts, flyouts or infield grounders.

Let’s do it.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

right, well… already two outs, so, yeah

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Tender steak
Melted cheese
Put a Big Philly in the belly, please

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

…so that’s what that mumbled third line is…

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions

put a Big Philly in manilli, please

by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

or in Marinelli.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

!EMAGLLAB

by Logodaedalus on Sep 14, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions

huh

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

ballgame backwards

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 14, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I can’t get too down on a game in which Sowers, Mujica, Rincon, and Mastny exploded. It wasn’t pretty, but this wasn’t a beauty contest to begin with.

by xrickx on Sep 14, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

Man I’m sorry I missed this gem of a game.

by JRontherim on Sep 14, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

We were almost down there at the field. Glad we decided to save up for next weekend instead.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 14, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Well I guess we have Scott Lewis going tomorrow. Maybe he’ll make life suck a little less

by JRontherim on Sep 14, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, at least we get Lorenzo Cain as the PTBNL now that Milwaukee is going to gag and miss the playoffs.

by cheech99 on Sep 14, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions

Oh, Guillermo Mota. You certainly don’t defy expectations, do you?

by Logodaedalus on Sep 15, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions

RIP David Foster Wallace.

by afh4 on Sep 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions

In what cruel world does a POS like Sowers get chance after chance but a guy like Marte has to alternate days with Jamey Carroll?

by Joe. on Sep 15, 2008 1:17 AM EDT reply actions

Simple – the other arms we could replace Sowers with also suck. Replacing Marte is easier, as Carroll can play more than once every five days. Marte should try pitching, kind of like an anti-Ankiel.

by FredOx on Sep 15, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions