Game Thread: September 15, 2008
by Ryan on Sep 15, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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Minnesota Twins at Cleveland Indians, Sep 15, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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Waaaaay OT, but RIP Richard Wright.
I could really use an exciting, dominant ass kicking tonight by the Tribe.
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 15, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
INDIANS (72-77): CF Grady Sizemore, LF David Dellucci, RF Shin-Soo Choo, SS Jhonny Peralta, DH Travis Hafner, C Kelly Shoppach, 1B Michael Aubrey, 3B Andy Marte, 2B Asdrubal Cabrera. LHP Scott Lewis (1-0, 0.00).
TWINS (82-67): RF Denard Span, 2B Alexi Casilla, C Joe Mauer, 1B Justin Morneau, DH Michael Cuddyer, LF Delmon Young, 3B Brendan Harris, SS Nick Punto, CF Carlos Gomez. RHP Kevin Slowey (12-9, 3.63).
by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I apparently missed the strikeout, which is one of the above.
by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just telling someone how much I HATE Gomez and Young. Span, I like.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hee hee. Siddown, Justin.
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 15, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lewis touched 89 MPH on gameday … good stuff.
by JP_Frost on Sep 15, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks good.
Did you know he’s a switch hitter?
by jhon on Sep 15, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Peralta crash that Partay, or was it Skinner. I wasn’t watching or listening to it.
by APV on Sep 15, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does that still qualify as a Partay though?
by JP_Frost on Sep 15, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got here but…. Slowey vs. SLewi!
by Logodaedalus on Sep 15, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Twinkies played defense all season like they have against us they’d all be Gold Glove recipients
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised Span didn’t somehow jump up and get that like he had flubber on his shoes
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who do you think will finish with a higher batting average: hafner or marte?
by macasson on Sep 15, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why am i watching mlb.tv on the indians.com main page
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 15, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is everyone? It is Monday, is it not?
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure someone will jump on me for this, but more often than not, watching Jhonny hit is a generally unpleasant experience. Sure, he’s had some solid stretches, but his default seems to be chasing everything that moves…. I know you can’t perfectly predict what will be out of the strike zone, and every once in a while it pays off to go get something, but for me, lack of selectivity is maybe the most irritating thing to watch in a hitter.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 15, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is Lewis’s last inning, right? 95 pitches and counting.
by APV on Sep 15, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most likely. Betancourt’s been warming
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re ready to declare him better than sowers after two starts? I seem to remember Sowers looking pretty good early on…
by Logodaedalus on Sep 15, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mean to sour his present performance (no pun intended — for once), by the way, I just don’t think it’s fair to Sowers to call Lewis “legit” this early
by Logodaedalus on Sep 15, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the only question about Lewis is whether he’s #1 or #2 in our rotation next year.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 15, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee may be 20 games over .500 but Lewis has a 100% and leads the league in ERA. You tell me.
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean 1.000?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Travis used to work a count full and then smash a ball off the wall or draw walk?
sigh
by Toxicadam on Sep 15, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strangely, no. I must have repressed those memories for the sake of my mental well-being.
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh. After seeing those mements, seeing him disintegrate before your eyes is like watching freshman college girls pound beers and pizza….you know it’s cool at the time but you’re setting up for a hard fall.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out what Ike did to this tree.
From my area.
by Toxicadam on Sep 15, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our house lost power for about 24 hours, but not trees uprooted thankfully.
Plus, no school today or tomorrow so two days off teaching!
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 15, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Yost is Toast” … Yahoo sports, you so funny.
Anyone notice C. Blake is benched in favor of Nomaahhh?
by Toxicadam on Sep 15, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only a matter of time before he gets naked pictures of torre’s wife too, or whatever magic he had over wedge that got him in the lineup every day.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh. I knew nothing good would come from Andy Marte hitting
by ahowie on Sep 15, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
S EFFING LEW
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quite an offense we got here. Third game in a row scoring three runs.
by odradek on Sep 15, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN SO THRILLED IN MAY.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i lol’d.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s for sure. Three runs would have won a few games then.
by odradek on Sep 15, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hafner up with the bases juiced. Big picture?
by APV on Sep 15, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d take a solid approach here, that’s how far my expectations have fallen
by Fios on Sep 15, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was not a disaster, but also not optimal.
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 15, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hafner you suck
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was pretty much as bad as it could have gotten.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like that’s happened ten times this year: bases loaded, no outs, resulting in no runs.
by odradek on Sep 15, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least this game doesn’t matter. Because if it did, that would have sucked.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 15, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A little frickin’ late on the save Jenlew im already bounced from the fantasy playoffs because of you and broxton combining for shit last week.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d comment on that inning, but you all know what I would say.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Water can flood a basement …”
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 15, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
noooot what i had in mind.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Dallas-Philly game is pretty ridiculous
by APV on Sep 15, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it’s living up. And I am not a crazy nationalist susceptible to zeitgeist.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see that stupid play by DeSean Jackson? I don’t know if the ball cross the plan of the goal line.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 15, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m already game threading about it below. I’ve made three comments and two of them are about football.
Aubrey with the g-love.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure is.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you challenge this? The play went dead.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, this challenge seems stupid. All you get is the ball on the 1?
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas should get the ball. I don’t know how you’d rule that, though. Where would they get it at? The 1? The 20?
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 15, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe like in some ethical sense they should. But the ref should’ve been able to tell Wade what the outcome would be and when he heard it he should’ve just forgotten about challenging.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if the ball had gone OB in the end zone while Jackson wasn’t in it, Dallas would have gotten the ball.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow — he’s lucky that Philly gets the ball back. Stupid, stupid.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THat was magnificently boneheaded. I had flashbacks of Rudd throwing his helmet.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big deal – they’ll score anyways.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you give up a homerun to Mauer, you sort of suck.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mauer has hit three of his nine homers this year against the Tribe.
by odradek on Sep 15, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
booooo – facing westbrook in fantasy.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mcnabb owners are probably pretty furious
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeSean Jackson and Chase Utley went to high school together.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like jensen gave up a homer…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bam. Indians closer.
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 15, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wedge has been looking for this from him since he’s given him a chance.
by Brick. on Sep 15, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ballgame
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 15, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, ok. I hate the Twins and White Sox about equally so I don’t know how to feel.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but the White Sox lost to the Yankees which makes that worse.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m assuming that the White Sox will fall fast in the post season considering their recent spate of injuries, so I guess I’d rather see them make it, but I may change my reasoning to accommodate the last series of the year.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 15, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me gusta wins.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 15, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought: Indians infield tonight of Marte, Peralta, Cabrera and Aubrey. They looked very sharp defensively. Is it totally implausible to see that (with Aubrey/Martinez as a platoon) as next year’s infield?
by peter m on Sep 15, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cannot envision any scenario where Aubrey’s bat can carry him at first, even in a platoon. He only hit RH ok (.849) in the minors.
I’m pretty positive Michael Aubrey is not a major leaguer.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest and most important question, coming down the stretch, is how everyone (besides Wedgie) feel about Marte.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it’s really big and important…..he suck.
by Chiefroy on Sep 15, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I actually have that split wrong. He hit RH at .803 this season, cumulative, in the minors.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish i didn’t, but I agree. Aubrey’s career was wrecked before it began because of injuries. I don’t see anyway to undo that.
by APV on Sep 15, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aubrey presents one of the all time great minor league conundrums: how to feel about the highly touted guy who gets hurt and then, once healthy, can’t perform.
To put another way, isn’t it just as viable to say: “Aubrey’s career was wrecked before it began because of his inability to hit.” I mean, this guy has never had a great age appropriate year and he’s got nearly 1300 minor league at bats.
On top of that, he’s a college kid, joining the Indians at 21 and not really losing ABs till he was 23. He lost years of his career but I’m not sure how to evaluate how important they were developmentally.
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t really disagree about Aubrey. I’m just looking for scenarios that don’t involve Ryan Garko.
by peter m on Sep 16, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s reasonable. And my guess is Aubrey is seen by the FO as a temporary safety net should they decide to jettison Garko. Since he doesn’t cost anything and has no trade value, there’s no reason to dump Aubrey till his roster spot becomes a liability.
by APV on Sep 16, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if there any way to keep him rostered, I hope we do. potentially a nice hitter for average….could improve his power #s some after a healthy season.
needs ABs……
by Chiefroy on Sep 15, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your answer makes more sense for Martay than for Aubray.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I initially read it in my head for Marte, having forgotten which part of the thread this was, and it made sense.
by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think Aubrey has power potential?
What tipped you off? The .479 minor league slugging? The .418 slugging in Buffalo? The 48 career homeruns?
by afh4 on Sep 15, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I think I’m agreeing with you.
by Voltaire on Sep 15, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the one peice that would make me feel reasonably more interested in Marte….if some of that minor league power potential showed up ,He’s hit .250 over the last two months…..not good, but completely without a positive trend. The lack of slug% is a little scary, though.
"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"
by Gradysmanldy on Sep 15, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was directing my comment towards “chief.” Through you.
by afh4 on Sep 16, 2008 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis first Indians pitcher since 1969 to go scoreless through first 14. Needed another bright spot with Carmona and Sowers issues. I saw Lewis last week in B-More. Rare to see that poise in a young pitcher. Good to see he handled having men on base today.
by balmer on Sep 15, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strangely enough, Lewis is not the only pitcher working on a scoreless debut streak right now. James Parr has had two straight 6 inning scoreless starts for the Braves (and also has a fastball that tops out in the upper 80s). If either makes it through another start, they’ll become only the second pitcher since 1956 to begin their career with three scoreless starts. I’m not sure the other one should even count – Jorge Campillo pitched a scoreless first inning in 2005, was pulled for the second, had TJ surgery, and then didn’t start again until 2008, whereupon he threw another 10 scoreless innings over his next 2 starts.
by FredOx on Sep 16, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis’s minor league numbers suggest he has the potential to be the real deal. I imagine the challenge for Lewis will be once he starts facing competition the second time around. I would think that for a guy who throws lots of strikes and doesn’t have overpowering stuff, once that scouting report gets around, he’ll need to continue to find a way to keep opposing hitters off balance if he wants to have sustained success.
by APV on Sep 16, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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