Game Thread: September 16, 2008
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I love when Zach Jacksonn pitches, because it means Cliff Lee pitches next.
by Toxicadam on Sep 16, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
http://indianstopprospects.blogspot.com/2008/09/indians-sign-taiwanese-amateur-rhp-lee.html
I don’t think it really deserves a fanshot .. but interesting, nonetheless.
Lee, who turns 22 on October 21, hails from Taiwan and is one of the top amateur college prospects from the island nation. He was a member of the 2008 Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) Olympic Team that competed in Beijing, China and recorded an ERA of 2.00 in 2 Olympic outings (9.0IP, 6H, 2R/ER, 2BB, 11K). His best outing of the Olympics came against the Cuban national team, tossing 6.2 innings in a starting role (3H, 1R/ER, 7K). He also appeared in relief vs. the United States (2.1IP, 3H, 1R/ER, 0BB, 4K). Lee was one of just 3 amateurs on the Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) Olympic Team.
Wow, that’s only marginally taller than Jamey Carroll!
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, actually Jamey Carroll is 5’9", according to the official site. I had 5’6" in my head for some reason.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
one of them is our 3B.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
not until marte proves something or wedge gets fired.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
I will say that it is infinitely more likely that Jamey Carroll starts the year as the starting 3B than Peralta.
technically, infinity is the limit as x goes to 0 of 1/x
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 16, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on Peralta staying at short. I figure all the posters who want to trade Peralta are the same posters who wanted to trade Lee.
I definitely don’t want to trade him.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
What if we could get Rios?, or Sherril? or Hamilton?
To me it all depends on the player we get.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
well, duh. If I was offered Peavy or Lincecum he’d be outta here… obviously.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
So disregard your previous transmission, right? You definitely do want to trade him – for the right price.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
In the “missed opportunities” file, Chicago is only 6-7 for September.. but Minnesota is 5-8. Even playing .500 ball would put them in first place.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
I look at this year as a blessing in disguise. Those two teams will not be improving next year and our down year we were able to improve our system considerably.
By comparison, you look at Detroit and Seattle … they had just as many expectations with poor results and did nothing about it.
No kidding. I’d actually say Detroit’s year has been more disappointing than ours. I realize we made it to the ALCS last year & they missed the playoffs, but with all the trades & money they spent in the offseason and all the prognostications of 1000 runs, fourth place can’t feel too good. Especially since, unlike us, they’ve actually been pretty healthy this year.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
Yeah, isn’t their payroll higher than Boston’s?
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. They certainly need to get younger.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just back from a meeting and about to head out for lunch…….GARKO & DROOBS!!!
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions
Nick Punto. Why does he still have a job again?
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
I’m not actually watching this, just listening to WTAM. Is the defense as bad as it sounds?
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
Also, I’m going to admit now that I wasn’t too jazzed about the Liriano/Jackson matchup here, but hey! What do I know?
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
OMG I WONDER WHO PLAYS AT THE FIRST GAME AT THE NEW 1.x BILLION DOLLAR YANKEE STADIUM
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In Cliff we trust.
I’d be willing to bet it’s the Red Sox, just because MLB wants to give in to the ESPN storyline.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
Good guess. I’m guessing it is NOT the Royals.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Sep 16, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If that game is ended via walkoff homer, I’m never watching baseball again.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/08/new_york_yankees_to_open_new_s.html
So all you cynics can cram it.
If we open at home or in Chicago again, someone needs to be fired
by millionairesrow on Sep 16, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Drooooooooooooooooooooooooooobs.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com -- just in case.
Any guesses as to what kind of crowd will show up to see Lee pitch in his final home game tomorrow?
by millionairesrow on Sep 16, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
Question: If this Taiwanese guy the Indians signed (Chen-Chang) turns out to be good, would “Cha-Ching” be an offensive nickname?
totally o/t:
over at Tony Lastoria’s place he has the list of players going to the Instructional League for the Tribe. Among them is the mythical Dominican, Kelvin Diaz. Does this mean he finally got a visa?
FUEL IS COMING IN.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Sep 16, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know you meant to type “off”, but it’s actually funnier this way
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Meloan pitched yet?
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
yea, just not tonight.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
In the majors? I missed it?
If you need me, I'll be senselessly rooting for Sizemore 40/40 for the remainder of 2008.
Rundles sounds like sone sort of 19th century disease
by millionairesrow on Sep 16, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
like shingles that result from an iodine deficiency
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow, I forgot which medical pioneer created the Rundles vaccine
by millionairesrow on Sep 16, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like seeing your old girlfriend while you’re with your new girlfriend (Rundles). She’s great, she’s new, and you can do unbelievably dirty things to her as she has no self esteem. But you miss pampering the old one.
Right?
I’m going to refer to Breslow as “Pampers” from now on
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously, is this a joke? i mean we know lee’s going at least 8 tomorrow
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Wedge is trying to prove a point to the FO that these guys suck. He likes to do that with relievers he wants off the team. It’s a reverse doghouse.
We get Zack Morris, followed by Fuel, then Ridges, and now the Irish Car Bomb (is that racist? can you still be racist against the Irish?)…
ireland is doing pretty well for itself these days.
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 16, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
cameron just grounded into a a dp with the bases loaded for the brewers against the cubbies. milwaukee (and cc) down 3-0 in the 5th.
if it were anyone else it would be a trhee-bagger
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
True or False: Jhonny could definitely beat the shit out of some people if angered.
Truer or Falser: Jhonny and Cliff together could probably beat the shit out of a whole bunch of people.
Khicked his ahss ahbove his shoulder.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on Sep 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
from wikpedia:
Boof Bonser (born John Paul Bonser on October 14, 1981 in St. Petersburg, Florida) is a right-handed reliever for the Minnesota Twins. He legally changed his name to Boof after the 2001 season. MLB.com listed Boof as the best current nickname in baseball
i mean yeah choo is rocking out and all, but come on.
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 16, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
I’m pretty sure Marte must have the same kind of condition a physically abused dog does. Every time Wedge raises his voice Marte probably puts his glove on the ground and wets himself.
by APV on Sep 16, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
marte reminds me of a people struggling for national liberation and an independent state
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 16, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
MARTECOULDAFUCKINGDONETHAT.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
WTF happened? We were up 8-1 when I left to teach my class.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions
don’t toy with me, GFP… what are they doing?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear I’m developing a bit of a complex about this Brewers thing. I worry that in a couple years when the Tribe plays them in interleague I’m going to have to stop and remind myself that they don’t matter any more
Honestly, I wouldn’t really care, except for this whole PTBNL thing.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
I know, but that has the effect of making us all invested in the team’s succeess against our will
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
two years from now, I just hope we’re not still suffering from Stockholm syndrome
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
save him for a save situation on the road.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
teams save their closer all the time on the road in tie games, no?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
We would know the answer to that if we had a closer.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know. It’s still sort of stupid, right? And considering it’s a very, very important game (well, maybe not that important with the WC) wouldn’t it make sense to not follow the dumb conventional wisdom?
if that’s not what you did in an important game, it wouldn’t be the conventional wisdom
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if you’re going to win, someone has to come in in the bottom half after you take a lead
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that’s predicted leverage. Here, we have actual, gigantic leverage.
by afh4 on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m totally time machined. What’s happening?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
Bentancourt is REALLY sucking.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
Not entirely unpredictable. Is he even on the squad next year?!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Betancourt: “I’m just not going to throw you anything in the zone, just try and hit them. Wait, what? They get to go to first if I throw too many that way? Why didn’t anyone tell me that?”
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
PUT IN MELOAN!
Is it bad that I put all my hopes, dreams and aspirations in Meloan’s hands?
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
dammit…. this is just not a good day for baseball
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
There is PLENTY of blame around here.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on Sep 16, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody please take me out behind the barn before I watch this and the next 13 games left in this miserable season.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Can we all come? Can you guarantee us no access to the web or Extra Innings?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
silver lining: actually only 11 after this
(right?)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Doc that helps a little bit.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer to direct my schadenfreude at the Sox (either one) and Yankees.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
to be picky, it’s not schadenfreude if it’s directed at your enemies
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought if as kind of directed at your frenemies. But that still makes your point.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess…. people that you generally like but have an underlying sense of competitiveness with…
not that JZ fits that description either
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds about right to me. You damned academics…..oh wait.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
With Joe “I could kick K-Rod’s dumb stat, record-holding, ass” Nathan waiting, we need to score RIGHT NOW.
Now would be a dandy time for #32.
Just saying.
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 16, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You know what I like? Never talking about Grady Sizemore’s option status.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
If the A’s made a good enough deal, though …
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 16, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing we have a solid bullpen to keep us in this thing.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Sep 16, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
My beer doesn’t taste as pathetic as it did before the Grady foul-pole banger.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
FUCK YOUR BUNTS.
God, how can anybody NOT hate the Twins?
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Jamey Carroll, I know you’re just doing what you get paid to do, but I hate you for it.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
I can’t remember the last time we had a walk-off win… I’m pretty sure we’re not completely winless in extra innings this year, so there must have been one, but I really can’t remember it
I should say, “at home”, since that’s the only time it would be a walk-off… how’s that split?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
the buckle? if you don’t mind looking like seth cohen.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are my things with the buckle:
1-They don’t carry my primary brands (NBs, Nikes).
2-They present shoes so poorly. I don’t know why they insist on having those arty little pictures with two views crammed in. It’s not a good way to look at sneakers, which often have little things going on with the uppers, insteps, etc.
If I could find some place that had the full color palette for NB 574s I’d be happy but for whatever reason they seem to give every store one non-normal color combo.
Hey – we now have power at Chez Woodsmeister. What’d I miss?
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
dammit, what makes vbc so special? huh?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh good, well at least nobody wanted to see John Meloan.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m not so sure Wedge isn’t reading this thread, and doesn’t just hate us all. especially you.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did i hear correctly that the FO feels that Meloan’s innings pitched is too high so he needs to be strictly limited?
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
they have to keep a limit on Meloan’s inning pitched
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
To practically shut down. One or two batters type stuff.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, is that true? at least that would make this a little less utterly baffling
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
must…not…make…El..Debarge…reference…
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In Cliff we trust.
by vbc3 on Sep 16, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry, cheer not a fuck-with-you-fake-out time machine
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet – now the dp is set up with Victor at the plate.
Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!
Wow! (Thanks to everybody who didn’t take me out behind the barn…I’ve got too much to live for!)
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
This team is winning the division by double digits next year.
by afh4 on Sep 16, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I mean, that was so Not A Bunt I just got aroused.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Banana, banana, bo banana
Banana fana fo fanana
Me my mo manana
Banana!
by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw 20 and 22, so it would be foolish to miss tomorrow, right?
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
unless your thing was to only see even-numbered wins….
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, so if Cliff wins tomorrow it will be the first win you’ve seen in a long time, huh?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Barry Zito was the last one to get there, in 2002. Only one pitcher has ever reached the third Pillai prime, Charley Radbourn for the Providence Grays in 1884.
Yeah but he lost at least three times as many games as Cliff. That’s gotta count for something.
Resident LGT beer kinda sewer
I dislike it when people bring actual baseball back into discussions that are only nominally about baseball. Don’t you, Fred? Oh, wait. :-)
by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking over my season, I also attended wins #18 and #7 — thereby ruining any OCD compulsion I may have.
by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 16, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
all those blown saves were either at home or just tied the game?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
All 7 have been on the road. Four tied the game, one was in the bottom of the 8th and one was single-HBP-E1. The latter qualifies as a walk-off, I guess.
I guess it was a walk-off, but it wasn’t “allowed”?
by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched that game. There was a sac bunt back to Nathan and he threw to third to get the lead runner and it went past 3B down the line. Two runs scored and the Twins lost.
oh, wait, E1 is the pitcher. So he did allow it.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Rally pie for Vic. It’s like a kiss from your ex girlfriend.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
Properly worded, a kiss from MY ex girlfriend. The kiss from YOUR ex girlfriend I enjoyed unqualifiedly.
by fleerdon on Sep 16, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
not Craig Breslow though. a different ex girlfriend.
by Logodaedalus on Sep 16, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow looks like I missed some game, leave at 8-1 and we end up winning in 11.
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
yup, some terrible pitching by ZJ (and slightly less prolonged terribleness by Rincon and Betancourt), and some rare late game clutch hitting by Grady and Victor
by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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