Minnesota Twins @ Cleveland Indians GameThread, Sep 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT

A sad day, with the Tribe off tomorrow and my family and I flying to Australia’s Gold Coast for a two week holiday Saturday (NZT) this is effectively my last game of the season, strangely weeks ago I wanted it to end, now I’m going to miss it. Whilst early, thanks to everyone who contributes to such a great site. Bring on April 2009.

A great way to farewell 2008 with Cliff winning number 23.

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

I like this lineup, minus that 3B thing.

by JesseAK on Sep 17, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey – I remember creating that graphic after the first week of the season. We had so much hope then. Le plus ca change….

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m nervous for a meaningless September game. Weird.

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT reply actions

Well, a Pillai prime is at stake, after all

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

BOO LEE SUCKS

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions

Small ball… grrrr

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions

hmm….

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 7:11 PM EDT reply actions

Cliff Lee with his Jake Westbrook impression.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions

Bunt Cake

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

(yeah, I know, a little late)

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

That RBI single was a supreme act of cowardice

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions

Justin Morneau is like a lion who’s lost his noyve

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Justin Morneau…douche

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions

Gutierrez is hitting .467 in his last 10, and Droobz is hitting .400 in his last 10, do we really have to be batting Carrol in the two spot? Or start him at all?

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions

The Yard Gnome makes you eat your words!

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

That was a nicely hit ball, but when Carrol gets a hit, it’s just okay. I don’t recall a fiesta of any type ever occurring.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah true, though I do remember him keeping rallies going

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

never have I swung at a piñata or cracked open a cerveza in response to a Jamey Carroll single, for example

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ve never donned a sombrero or grown a thin mustache for a Carrol bunt, for instance.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions

what? Clifton gave up a run?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply actions

Bad call(s) walk. Bunt single. Double Play. Solid Single.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Playing himself right off the 09 roster if this shit keeps up.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s only the 8th time this season Jhonny has seen a 3-0 count. (He walked every time)

/palcal mode off

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions

Choo and Droobz: The New Jordan and Pippen

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions

Man, I love the guns on Choo and Gootz. Something this team has missed for awhile.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions

Harris singled to deep left center, Harris out at second.

As Nelson would say, HAAAAA HAAA!

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions

I like to imagine that it’s Nelson Mandela saying that, rather than Nelson Muntz. It’s just an amusing image.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

What’s with all these baserunners? It’s almost like there’s a mere mortal out there on the mound, or something.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions

Any fantasy football guys here?

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions

not even a real football guy, myself

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

gulp

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

i got my ass handed to me by a sucky team in week 1 then killed a good team in week 2… why?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions

i feel like i dont know the NFL at all. It’s early in the season so things are bound to be volatile. New players, players being hurt, players forgetting how to catch a ball (Braylon Edwards), etc. And I don’t know what I’m doing, so maybe im wrong.

by RD74 on Sep 17, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

my keeper team had problems at QB – a JT o’sullivan pickup saved me last week.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions

They’re really making him work for this one, aren’t they.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions

that’s better

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply actions

Sir Cliff is too big to fail

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions

I keep gameday open while I watch the game for certain information, and it says “fielded by shortstop Jhonny Peralta”, and I quickly glanced over it, I could have sworn it said “fat shortstop Jhonny Peralta”

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions

Hafner now has a lower batting average than Marte…

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions

Hafner doesn’t look any different than before his R&R

by JesseAK on Sep 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah but Marte doesn’t have a spunky nickname.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

¿El Señor Fiesta?

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

That’s Masa’s post-game clubbing nickname.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, that’s right. I forgot.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I get those two guys confused sometimes

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

They’re both absolute party animals. Marte just lacks the confidence to go after the ladies like Masa does. I SMELL A MOVIE

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ll bet those three swings felt like thirty.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions

man, just depressing to think that haf can’t even catch up to a 91mph fastball.

travis – i’d like to intoduce you to your shelf. you’re done.

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions

I hope Mark kept the receipt.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions

doubt he can get much to return it

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

stupid Morneau

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions

wft cliff?

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions

what [the] f—k [was] that?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Better warm up Rincon.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions

wah!

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t like 53 pitches through 3

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 7:59 PM EDT reply actions

Time for some runs.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions

not yet, apparently

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

OK, uh, time for a 1-2-3 inning?

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

The shaft for Carroll. But that’s what low charisma does to you

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 8:08 PM EDT reply actions

3d6 can be a cold, cruel bitch.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions

If this is a D&D reference, awesome. If not, disregard.

by bewwolv on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought halfling’s get charisma bonuses?

/nerdmode off

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Heh. I knew there was more than one of us on here.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

wooooooooooow

by Voltaire on Sep 18, 2008 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions

HOLY SHIT THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED I WASNT DRUNK

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 18, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions

booo homers off Lee!

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions

this doesn’t feel like our game

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions

It always seems like Baker does better than he should, especially against us. I don’t get how his numbers are as good as they are in general, actually.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions

The Rays have knocked Wakefield out of the game in Boston after 1.1 innings and lead 8-2 in the third.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions

nice!

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

JHONNY

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions

Way to go, Jhonny.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions

Fhat Shortstop Ghoes Yhard!

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions

Jhonny

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions

Peralta has twenty more home runs than Victor does. Chalk it up to the Things You’d Never Believe in April

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

faints

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions

HOLYSHITEFFLBUDTVFKBYBGUFT VBLGNUIJMUYGBNIYLPRONK

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions

Pronk goes yard! Pronk goes yard!

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions

I dont believe this!

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions

Is this one of the space-time continuum things?

by peter m on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Boner.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions

the who is back?

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions

PRONK – welcome back

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions

one homer does not a pronk make

by oaksterdam on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Dont slap his back though

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

snerk

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Whatever, I don’t buy it. Pronk is like that girl you dated and were madly in love with who dumped you but still hooks up with you when you come home on breaks from college making you think the real thing will be back.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Little too close to home?

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Haha, not really. Just an analogy.

I never even got the courtesy hookups.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

a lot of ex-girlfriend analogies lately….

If we could get Pronk and Breslow to make out with each other, that would be some hot girl-on-girl action, that right there.

/gay

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Masa would turn that into a 3 way quicker than you could spell his full name. And he’d finish just as fast.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions

K-O-B-A-Y-…. oh, there he goes

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions

that was the other Japanese pitcher, the porn reliever

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

gives new meaning to “giving relief”

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Twins are knocking around Lee pretty good. Even some of the outs have been smashed.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions

His last start against KC wasn’t that different. They hit a lot of balls hard off him, although quite a few were right at people.

by peter m on Sep 17, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Just an aside, since Pronk is so METAL I was wondering — anyone here get the new Metallica album? It is stellar.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions

Best since Justice, hands down.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Indeed. Sounds like the lost album between Justice and TBA. I mean, I actually really like TBA, Load/Reload, but this is phenominal. The Day That Never Comes is an odd choice for first single though. Easily the worst song on the album, IMO.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed on the single. Funny that it sounds more like what you’d think “Unforgiven III” would sound like than “Unforgiven III” does. My fave track right now is that instrumental towards the end.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I love the clean verse melody in TDTNC, but the second half of the song is jumbled and incoherent and sounds like they tried too hard to make a new “One.” I’m really diggin’ on UIII though… the vocals and the lyrics are hauntingly good. Also love “All Nightmare Long,” and the instrumental kicks ass too. Very little filler on here in general, although there are a few songs I can see getting “meh” over many listens.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

jumping in the middle here, but Turk, let me know if you ever go to a metal show in DC. not that there are very many of them, but I do enjoy some heavy stuff.

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions

If I didn’t listen to such shit emo music, I would give it a listen (and have more self respect)

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Haha, give it a try, you might like it. What kinda stuff are you into?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Punk, pop punk generally. It’s horrible, but it’s my taste.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

It’s all good, no need to defend your taste. I can dig some Blink-182 and the like on occasion. Love the Offspring. Don’t know too much about newer pop/punk stuff.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions

I love the Offspring as well. Can’t Get My Head Around You is in my top 10 songs probably.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok, here’s where I my claim becomes transparent. I don’t actually know that song. I’m really just a huge fan of Smash and the few albums after that. Kinda the sell-out Offspring some would say, I guess.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Emo music does not win over the ladies. Just ask Masa.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Well, Cliff still knows how to get Delmon Young out!

by peter m on Sep 17, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions

All right.

by peter m on Sep 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions

for those of us unable to get to a TV right now, how was Pronk’s homer? A blast or a sneeker?

by DoubleWahoo05 on Sep 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions

Pretty blast-like.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Absolute bomb

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks. I still don’t understand how MLB.com selects their highlights. I think I’d like to see a massive homer that ties the game. Apparently they don’t deem that gameday video worthy.

by DoubleWahoo05 on Sep 17, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Pronk is the Ron Paul of the Majors. They like to pretend his massive influence doesn’t exist.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Masa Kobayashi is the Ron Jeremy of the majors. But they like to pretend his massive….influence…doesn’t exist

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Come on, Baboo!

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions

I would like me… a triple, right here, JC….

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions

damn

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

not quite.

by peter m on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

CHOOOO

CHOOOOOO

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions

Okay, let’s try this again. Choo-bagger time

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions

sweet!

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Had to go out for awhile…what’s going on in this game? Was the Hafner homer legit?

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions

Pretty much blasted it.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Probably about a 400 ft bomb, according to Hammy. Halfway up RF bleachers.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Underwear and Hegan said 430 feet. It sounded like a Pronksmash of yore.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Certainly looked like one. Total no-doubter.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

awesome!

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions

BLC!

I'll regress to my career numbers if you do too!

by Fire Slider on Sep 17, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions

I don’t know which I prefer, choobles or droobles

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions

I like the chocolate ones

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I see Boston is getting handled by the Rays…nice

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions

and Milwaukee’s up early against the Cubbies

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

and the Mets are….. ::checks::….. up by a lot. damn.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

The Cubs are the most dangerous team in the majors. If their hitters get hot in October, no one will beat them.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

except themselves, their fans, and maybe a goat

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if Bartman will try to go to a playoff game.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Sep 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Now that Alou forgave him.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Late, but had to add:

Choooooooooooooooooooooo.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions

It really does suck that we are spoiling the Twins season and allowing the White Sox to waltz into the playoffs.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions

well, Chicago is off today, so at worst, Minnesota will be within sweeping-room of tying them this weekend.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions

er… wait a minute…. missed that ol’ CWS-NYY game up there on the board. Forgot what day it was

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions

We can redeem at the end of the season and sweep the Sox in Chicago, that’d be even sweeter if we screw them up there

by exer on Sep 17, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

ugh Gomez

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions

That’s #3 for Shoppach today. Yuck.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions

annndd another. But he did tag him out.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Blake is 0-4 with an error tonight. Ouch.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions

what? who does he think he is? Casey Blake?

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions

WE’RE FACING THE D-TRAIN SOON? EPPPICC!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=30212

His minor league stats still look ugly.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Kelly Shoppach always a threat to steal .. got to keep him honest over there.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions

Sheets left after 2 innings with forearm tightness. Shit.

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions

doesn’t matter what they do in the playoffs…just have to get there

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Still, if he misses the next two starts, that could be the difference

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Andy Marte would have had that one.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions

Am I allowed to like Mauer?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions

not tonight

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

well, of course.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions

crap

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions

Ay yi yi

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions

i knew wedge should have yanked him.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions

Eff. Cliff. Eff.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions

So much for #23, eh.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions

should have brought in meloan

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions

Hey, It’s Eddie Moo! We’re actively trying to lose the game now.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions

now we know why wedge left him in. he felt it was lee or mujica.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Mujica? serously… don’t be shocked if Cliff gets a loss.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions

If you saw this in March, would you take it?

HR " MIN: C. Gomez (7) – CLE: T. Hafner (5), J. Peralta (22)

Must take the whole thing… no parts of it.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions

hell no

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

that’s my answer too.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

NOOO!!!

/I missed the first half of this inning

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

Bring in Marte – he can pinch-bunt and he’ll play better defense.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions

Too late – terrible bunt by Carroll.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Ohh boy … :/

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions

PS. Andy Marte could have done that.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

Bunts are awesome!

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

Jamey – look for the ball, dammit!

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

Carroll with the Lonnie Smith to Tolbert’s Greg Gagne

by cheech99 on Sep 17, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions

Jhonny is having a good night.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions

Jhonny! With a little assist from Delmon.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions

Dhouble!

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions

Delmon must have been confused by playing on grass instead of turf.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions

Victor!

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

It’s so nice to have Victor back … I love that guy.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

That guy….that guy is such a guy

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

PLAYOFF CONTENDERS — DONT MESS WITH THE INDIANS

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions

why did they intentionally walk hafner

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions

“THE PRONK IS BAAACK”
< /overexcited hammy>

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions

!?!?!

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions

how’d you do that without getting the stupid blank image to come up?

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions

?!?!?!?!?!

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions

interesting. ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? it used to stick the broken image tag in there or something.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions

In parts of Africa, they would be considered witches and burned at the stake.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions

or here

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

i’m not sure I like that people know where i live

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions

AH!! SHOPPACH BAT BREAK!!!

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions

Another bat is murdered at the hands of Shoppach. When will this madman stop?

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

C’mon, Raffy. This is our last chance this year to hit Carlos Gomez. you know you want to.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions

Milwaukee up 4-1 in the 7th, guys on 2nd and 3rd, no outs

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions

6-1

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

nice.

White Sox lost, too

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I would love to see the Mets get aced out of the playoffs again.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Im kind of a closet Mets fan (brother is a mets fan) and I would love to see that too.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Sep 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Are the Nats rallying in the 9th?

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Aaaaand … no. Mets win.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Is Raffy Perez a reliever for life? Will they ever attempt to make him a SP?

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions

Reliever for life. Doesn’t really have enough good pitches to start, that’s the story. He wasn’t even doing that well as a starter in the minors, I think he was 24 and still in Double-A.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

he was a starter a couple of years ago, no? I don’t see how they could convert him back with so many bullpen holes

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Sizemore, Shoppach, Choo, Peralta, Martinez, Hafner. Obviously, varying degrees of effectiveness right now and in the future but when all are contributing, this offense is fine and dandy.

by cheech99 on Sep 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah, this team is borderline exciting to watch as-is.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Not to mention Le Droob, when he’s going like he’s been lately

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I still would like to see us get a .300-ish 20 homer guy at one of the corners IF positions. It would help us ride out some of the highs/lows that guys like Peralta and Grady go through. Garko filled that role in 07 .. but I’m not sure he can do it again.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions

kinda like these numbers?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6310

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Ewwww .. he’s as streaky as Jhonny and Garko.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

i knew who this was before opening the page

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Geez, just walk this Casilla guy .. save your arm Raffy.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

Phew.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions

Did I hear that right on the way home? Everyone can run the bases after the Sunday game?

YESSSSSSSSSSS

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions

If this is true, it cements that I’m going then instead of Saturday.

by Voltaire on Sep 18, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Why is this game taking so long? It’s not that high scoring, and Betancourt hasn’t even pitched

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions

Pampers Time

by Logodaedalus on Sep 17, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions

Castroturf should be linked from the main page. It’s annoying to click onto Diatriber’s site to catch the link.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions

Done. Added it to the bottom of the blogroll.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks, Jay.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

I only did it because you said “please.”

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Bunt. Sigh. Repeat.

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions

This game is still going? Jesus.

by JRontherim on Sep 17, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions

it’s going to catch us so off guard when Marte pinch hits for Carroll in the last game of the season

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions

Wasn’t Dellucci supposed to pinch hit for Carroll? A lefthanded batter, I mean.

by odradek on Sep 17, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

uh oh…the Brewers just brought in Mota

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions

There won’t be enough games for it to happen this year, but glancing at their trends it looks like Francisco and Gutz’ OPS percentages are headed toward a convergence. It’ll be interesting to see where Ben ends up.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

I just love astute remarks that confirm my biases.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

All your biases are belong to us, Jay.

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Gutz’ power is finally coming around. It’ll be exciting when his slg pokes about .400, his raw OPS over .700. Oh, it’ll happen.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe it’s because I’m not paying enough attention, but I like to think that Ascab and Gutz are both displaying their true, great offensive potential. I like to think that they’re cheering each other on.

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Well I’d like to think they’re even better than that, but at least they’re showing that they belong in the major leagues. Only months ago that didn’t appear to be the case.

Gutz’ bat is still disappointing, but it’s looking like it’s at least good enough. I think his ISO SLG. led the team last year. He and Shoppach need to have a brainstorming session.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

if the two really have equal true talent OPS values, Gutz is clearly much more valuable given his defense and should be in the lineup more often

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Adam apparently thinks he’s in the remedial forum tonight.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I am the remedial forum

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

but of course…we’ve been hitting Francisco in the middle of the lineup for quite awhile, while Gutz has been in the 7 or 8 slot

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s a batting order question. It’s entirely rational that you could have one guy who should be higher in the batting order while the other guy is in the lineup more often. I know you’re don’t think that Gootz’s defensive skills should have him higher up in the batting order.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

my statement was meant more to get at their perceived offensive value. People seem to think more highly of Francisco this year offensively, in part reflected by his slot in the batting order.

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Right. And sometimes we even get the contortion that his (quite circumstantial) placement in the batting order means we should be even more impressed with his not terribly impressive numbers.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Just looked, his OPS+ has slipped to 99, meaning that his numbers overall (764 OPS) are slightly below league average (766) — well below average for a corner OF (795) of course.

Over his last 400 PA: .223 / .314 / .401. Really not good.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

like I’ve always said. a guy you don’t mind putting in there once or twice a week, or serving as an injury replacement for a month…but not an everyday player.

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions

i’m totally taking this as justification and victory

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions

You are the brute squad.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

*This is only allowed because nobody ever uses that one.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Strangely enough, I don’t feel I have much of a dog in this AL Central hunt. I detest the Twins, but Twins fans have never given me any reason not to like them. Meanwhile, the White Sox organization amuses me pretty well, but their fans are downright odious.

So I can’t win, or maybe it’s more like, I can’t lose. Anyone else feeling this?

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions

I just want Duke and Harrelson silenced for eternity. And Pierzjizzinsky to retire and never return. How best can we achieve that?

by RD74 on Sep 17, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

No, I’m dead set against the Sox. My reasoning is, fuck the White Sox.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

^^ What he said.

I am indifferent to the Twins.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Me too. Go Twins (in a few days)

by Voltaire on Sep 18, 2008 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions

yes

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I catch a flicker of WGN, or find myself in Chicago. I have never been to Minnesota, and I likely never will. I favor the Twins for their invisibility.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Only a seven or eight more times I have to hear “I’M STARTING AN ONLINE ADVENTURE BLAWWWWG.” Almost there.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions

Also, this McDonald’s rap ad makes me want to stick a fork in my ears.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

ummm yes. sadly, around 2 pm, I had that mfing song in my head. ARRRRGH.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

My suggestion, call the local health department on your local McDonald’s.

It doesn’t get the song out of your head, but it does make you feel like a more responsible member of your community.

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Okay Jensen, keep the hope train alive.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions

image search : hope train

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Why was this a 4 hour game? Was STO raking in the ad money?

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions

lots of baserunners. LOTS.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

You have no idea how much Bob Serpentini pays for airtime! BIG BUCKS!

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I’M GONNA SAVE YOU BIG BUCKS AND YOU HAD BETTER COMPLY BECAUSE I PAID BIG BUCKS TO OFFER YOUO THIS DEAL.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

23 hits, 9 walks, 9 pitching changes.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh .. haha. I’m so used to 2 1/2 hour Cliff Lee games.

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

COME ON J LEW

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions

Hmph…

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions

DRAMA

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions

what are the chances of this Type A free agent thing mattering?

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions

Not all that great, actually.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I Heart JLew.

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions

BALLGAME

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions

zz

SWEEP

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions

J-ROD 10 IN AROW

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs

Rrrrrrrrrec

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Wow, that was nearly instantaneously green. Kudos.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh man, that’s awesome. How long did you have the queued up? Someone oughtta photoshop J-Lew onto that.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Since the 8th inning. :)

by Toxicadam on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Glorious.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Booya. Though I hate that we helped the Sox and Lee didn’t get a win.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions

Man, Lee gets screwed out of another win — can you believe it?

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Sep 17, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Go Tribe

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions

right on!

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Glad your last game was a win. :)

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Me too, although a shame Cliff didn’t get the win

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry you have to start the offseason early. Always good to have you around for the games.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Guess heading to Australia’s “Orlando” for a couple of weeks can’t be sneezed at, I’d be more upset if we were in contention and missed the run in.

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m sure Oz’s “Orlando” is much better than Orlando.

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Oz’s Adebisi is my favorite

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Every country needs a Detroit or Toledo.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

wasn’t bodie in oz?

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

You mean Hamsterdam?

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

both

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

and daniels was in an episode of the west wing

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Beadie is now a cast member of The Office.

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

i saw that.

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Weird coincidence … I just flipped over to an episode of Oz on HBO Zone, and there’s a scene with the guys who played Carver and Lt. Daniels.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions

i miss the wire

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Me too.

But I bet we’ll like this.

by Jay on Sep 17, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions

hell yes, i’m big into lincoln

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 18, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions

from wikipedia"

He played inmate Kenny Wangler for the first four seasons of Oz. He had a small guest starring role in The Sopranos episode “46 Long” as Special K, an incompetent stickup man and one of Brendan Filone’s goons. He appeared in the pilot episode (“Welcome to Camelot”) of Third Watch as Pee-Wee, an errant street kid.

by cleveland teamer on Sep 17, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

whats weird is that he’s 30. because he doesn’t look it

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I spent 10 days in Orlando in 1993, Surfer’s Paradise on the Gold Coast is more a mixture of Miami/Orlando, high rises along the beach front and the usual theme parks. Making sure I go to Steve Irwin’s Australia Zoo while we are there.

One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play

by new zealand tribe fan on Sep 17, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I spent 2 months there in 1993! Since then it’s been the benchmark for “type of city I do not want to live in.”

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions

The Tribe > The Market

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:04 PM EDT reply actions

let’s hope the Tribe isn’t too leveraged in the CDO or CDS market

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Shit, then the government will have to bail us out. On the plus side, we’d have trillions of dollars in revenue behind us.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

and trillions of dollars in loans from the chinese and saudis!

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions

but then I’d be an owner! Suck on that, Bud Selig!

by APV on Sep 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

on second thought i think its only hundreds of billions

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions

If all else fails, sell Florida.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions

It won’t sell for much on account of the low elevation and rising sea lev….

,,,hey can we get a Jesus vrs. the Dinosaurs pic up in here?

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

Thanks. These never get old!

by PatBordersHelmet on Sep 17, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

by Gradyforpresident on Sep 17, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

This might be the best one yet. Clutch.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

oh man…

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 18, 2008 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Statistical analysis proves that there is no such thing as “clutch” posting of Jesus and the dinosaurs images. What appears to be clutch is merely the standard distribution of images one would expect over a small sample size. GFP may have come through today, but over time one would expect a corresponding paucity of Jesus images, with GFP’s JDA (Jesus-Dinosaur Average) regressing toward the statistical mean.

by FredOx on Sep 18, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

Well it’s about damned time.

by jhon on Sep 17, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions

It always sounds like Heegan is trying very hard to suppress a belch.

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In Cliff we trust.

by vbc3 on Sep 17, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions

Just a late observation here…Wedge has been trying a lot of different lineups, but he generally tries to use what he thinks is his best lineup in games Lee starts…and in the last 6 games Lee has started, Jamey Carroll has been the starting 3rd baseman.

by TribeJay on Sep 18, 2008 12:33 AM EDT reply actions

Hammy said something along the lines today of “Carroll makes the play at third… and that is why he’s playing there.” This appears to be the new company line.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 18, 2008 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions

Except that the reason Cliff lost is that Carroll did not make a routine play at third. If Carroll makes that play, Cliff leaves having given up only 3 runs and with 23 wins.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 18, 2008 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Sure, but if Lee was lifted after 6, when he clearly didn’t have his best stuff, then he only gives up 2 ER. The bullpen may have blown it for him, however. I blame the manager more for letting Lee stay in the game than for starting Jamey Carroll (and I want to smack Carroll upside the head for the baserunning blunder from which he was rescued more than missing that play at third).

by FredOx on Sep 18, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions

The idea that we have some reliever who is a better bet to pitch the 7th inning than Cliff Lee, even without his best stuff, is more than a little ridiculous.

Rule of thumb: Cy Young contenders tend to be much much MUCH better than a bad bullpen’s middle relievers. Removing the starter isn’t entirely about the starter, it’s also about the best option after that.

by Jay on Sep 18, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions

I suppose that’s true. I just really wanted Cliff to match Guidry’s 1978. With Grady not likely to reach 40/40, I wanted 25 wins, even if it means absolutely nothing.

by FredOx on Sep 18, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Does the organization believe that Carroll is better defensively at third than Marte? I think Wedge certainly believes this, and it may actually be true. If so, it looks as if we may see a lot of Carroll at third next year. The sad thing is, Carroll may be the tribe’s best in house short-term solution at third. This is not good.

by oxforddave on Sep 18, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

If the organization truly believes this, it makes me question what kind of metrics they are using that I as a casual observer can’t see, because to my unprofessional eyes, Marte is clearly superior defensively.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 18, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions

“Clearly superior?” Really? It’s, like, very, very clear?

I think Marte is a fine defender and would only get better with more regular playing time. But Carroll by observation, by reputation and by the numbers is an excellent infielder at pretty much every position. His range numbers at 2B and 3B put him among or very near the elite defenders.

by Jay on Sep 18, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Like I said, I am a casual observer. Maybe I am blinded by the shabby treatment that they’ve given Marte and I wish this to be true. I have not looked at the numbers (and I know that admitting this is pretty much the same as losing the argument). Maybe I’m still comparing Marte to Blake, who generally looked horrible, instead of comparing him to Carroll.

All I know is that every time I see Jamey Carroll out there at third base instead of Andy Marte, it annoys me. I suppose I am projecting that annoyance onto Carroll, who has done nothing to deserve it, especially when, as a veteran, he plays as boneheaded as he did in this game.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 18, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I am projecting that annoyance onto Carroll, who has done nothing to deserve it, especially when, as a veteran, he plays as boneheaded as he did in this game.

This is an odd sentence. Its appositive is oppositive of its second half.

/pedant

by Logodaedalus on Sep 19, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, I noticed that after I posted it. What it should have said was something like this. "I am projecting that annoyance onto Carroll, especially when, as a veteran, he plays as boneheaded as he did in this game. He’s just doing his job – the Indians’ treatment of Marte is not his fault.

Platooning with Jamey Carroll is not freedom. Free Andy Marte!

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Sep 19, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions

I wrote about this in a game thread earlier this week … having Carroll at 3B, at least part-time, is really not all that crazy. He is a plus-defender, above-average even at shortstop in his career.

by Jay on Sep 18, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I wasn’t implying that Wedge has Carroll in there because of his defense. I think it’s actually because of his hitting. He plays Carroll because it gives them the absolute best chance to win that night, with Lee pitching.

Wedge has been very complimentary of Marte’s defense lately. But it’s probably more damning to Marte that as of right now he’s sitting some because of his bat.

by TribeJay on Sep 19, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s a pretty keen observation. Also, I notice that Dellucci only played once in that same timeframe.

I was wondering if Wedge refrained from using Perez last night to save him for tonight. Especially when the game became tight.

by Toxicadam on Sep 18, 2008 12:39 AM EDT reply actions

Could be. However, it appears he’s trying not to overuse Perez lately, so I’m not sure that’s related to Lee. Maybe there’s something going on with Perez.

by TribeJay on Sep 18, 2008 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions

The paper this morning said Wedge had hoped that Perez would pitch the 9th as well, but he had to work too hard in the 8th (30 pitches I think). If he was willing to let Perez go two innings, he’s probably okay. He’s already at 74 innings (more than last year’s ML totals, anyway) and is around 70 appearances. I suspect they’re just trying not to overuse him so he’ll be okay next year. He’s really important to the bullpen. He basically IS the bullpen (along with Lewis).

by peter m on Sep 18, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions