MLB Suspends Carmona Six Games
While Sheffield got the business end of Fausto's fist, it looks like Fausto gets the business end of MLB's suspension.
Carmona gets six games, and Victor and Asdrubal get three each, while Sheffield only gets four.
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This is bullshit. FAUSTO DID NOTHING WRONG!
Seriously, Sheffield incited the whole affair with his tough man antics as he strolled to first. Then Fausto throws over to first—something that is part of the game!—and Sheffield charges the mound. How Sheffield’s actions did not warrant a stiffer penalty than Fausto’s is beyond me, unless the MLB tacks on games for each successful punch to Sheffield’s face—which was really awesome btw.
I really hate Gary Sheffield.
Apparently MLB hands out punishments to the better fighter. Carmona got Sheff in a headlock and bloodied his face, and therefore warranted a longer suspension.
by Roger Dorn on Sep 22, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed in many respects.
If I’m not mistaken, Fausto could just appeal until he makes his next start. If he then withdraws the appeal, he would miss the final four games this year, and have two carry over into next year. I suspect he could start off 2009 in the third spot in the rotation. With off days and rainouts, any effect on his total number of starts could probably be washed out if managed appropriately.
I’d rather see him serve the suspension starting tonight and start the final game of this season, start 2009 with a clean slate.
I’m admittedly lost at this point. I was thinking the same thing, but unable to convince myself we had the arms to make this work.
Um, I don’t know, maybe so, maybe not, but … well … does it really matter?
We have Bullington floating around, he could just take Carmona’s start. The real problem is that Cliff Lee is slated to start on the last day of the season, and they won’t make him pitch on short rest, and they won’t skip him. So it looks like either Carmona is shut down for the year, or they’ll do the maneuver you suggested.
So logically, the more one does wrong, the longer the supension, right? How does Carmona logically get more days punishment than Sheffield? He didn’t start the fight, he just defended himself. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Well, not that Sheffield didn’t instigate this completely, but Carmona didn’t have to hit him in the head 20 times.
I agree that Sheffield should have been punished equally as the instigator.
I think this seems disproportionate between Sheffield and Carmona because one is a position player and the other is a starting pitcher, but it probably isn’t. Suspending Fausto for 3 games wouldn’t mean much – he could just stay out of the dugout for 3 games between starts. Six games guarantees that he will have to miss a start. So, really, he’s being penalized one start while Sheffield has to sit out 4 games.
On the other hand, 3 games for Droobs and Vic compared to 4 for Sheffield does seem harsh. I suppose Asdrubal is being punished for beating on Sheffield from behind and that Victor is being sanctioned for re-igniting the fight, otherwise, I would have expected them to get about half the suspension time Sheffield got.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
this is all because carmona is more docile than sheffield.
by Brick. on Sep 22, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i know. you could tell he wanted no part of the fight (where was Aubrey?), and I would argue he was kind of just sucked into things. someone could argue he was throwing punches at sheff, but i’m not so positive about that, i’d have to look at the footage again. i think you could make just as good of an argument that he was trying to break up the fracas.
either way the youngster broke his cherry so to speak.
I find it hard to buy any argument that Asdrubal didn’t want a piece of Sheffield. He was on scene about a step after Sheff and swinging for the head. I say, good for him.
By swinging at his head, he was probably aiming for the part of Sheffield’s body where he’d do the least damage.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Sep 23, 2008 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i mean, yeah, i guess it makes sense, fausto missing one start and all, but jesus folks. here’s the thing we’re missing: sheffeld started the ENTIRE THING. without him this never would have happened. he should have a way higher penalty than fausto or our position players.
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 22, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
You know, I have no problem with how any of this has come out at all.
Wedge doesn’t like retaliation — it’s a focus and professionalism thing, I’m sure. So we wonder if other teams target the Indians sometimes. Here Sheffield — a pretty intimidating guy, if only because he’s actually nuts — instigates something with one of our guys, and not only does he totally beat on him, but two other guys on our club go a little extra nuts calling him out and beating on him, too.
Sure, there’s suspensions, but in a meaningless final week of a lost season. The suspensions don’t matter, but the club does send a message about messing with them. For those who think that matters, isn’t this the best of all worlds?
and here’s the thing i was missing and forgot to take enough glee in: FAUSTO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF SHEFFIELD
by Gradyforpresident on Sep 22, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Carmona definitely beat the crap out of Sheffield.
That’s probably why Sheffield is still chirping about Martinez and his “not doing anything (baseball-wise) and being tired of his macho act” – he knows (or should know) he made himself look like a fool out there.
I “love” how he says he’s been in his share of fights, and as a peacemaker, you’re supposed to keep people off a person’s back, then goes on to say that he’s going to find out who hit him from behind and they’re going to have to “deal with him.” He even says he doesn’t care if the league comes down on him for making those comments – he has “enough money to take care of any fines – trust me.”
As I said in my other post, Sheffield needs to get over himself – he’s no longer the “big deal” in Detroit that he was when he was traded from the Yankees.
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Hello everyone,
I see why Fausto was suspended 6 games – to make he sure misses 1 start, but arguably, Sheffield should also have been suspended 6 games since he started the whole incident, and over nothing (really, does anyone really believe Carmona was trying to hit Sheffield on purpose for giving up a HR, two batters later, and especially when Sheffield has not been hitting well this year, certainly not as well as Cabrera, Ordonez, and Granderson? In other words, Sheffield is no longer the “big deal” he’s been in the past, so why would Carmona even bother to hit him? Sheffield really needs to get over himself.)
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
I agree, Asdrubal’s suspension seems a bit harsh, but I’m surprised Victor isn’t going to miss more than the three games. If Vic hadn’t had two guys holding him back I think he would have done some damage to whoever he kept calling out (Sheffield?).
Still one of the best baseball fights I can remember, plus we swept the series anyway. Totally worth it.
Hello Pronk33,
Additionally to being one of the best baseball fights and sweeping the series, no one on our side was injured either. (In reality, none of the Tigers suffered any serious injuries either; just Sheffield’s bloody nose, though I think his ego might have taken more of a hit than his nose because he was soundly beat up by Carmona – that’s probably why he’s still chirping about Martinez not “doing anything (baseball-wise)” and such.)
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
One last thought on the fight. I wasn’t in (and haven’t looked at the game thread), so forgive me if this came up already, but …
Where was the ball when Fausto landed his first punch with his glove hand? It should have been in his glove as Aubrey had just thrown it back to the mound. If so, wasn’t Sheffield “tagged” out?
In the alternative, shouldn’t he have been called out under Rule 7.08(a)(2) which says:
“Any runner is out when—after touching first base, he leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base.”
I know we won the game, but given Wedge’s “focus and professionalism” agenda, it would have been cool to have him get the umpires to enforce one of those rules to literally add insult to injury when it comes to Sheffield’s bonehead move.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on Sep 23, 2008 2:22 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking about that too. Why the hell did Detroit still have a baserunner after the brawl?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Sep 23, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fascinating point. I know you can request a time out to remove protective gear, perhaps Sheff asked for a time out to charge the mound?
If this is sarcastic it’s funny. Taking your question at face value, Sheff never said anything to anybody but Fausto before charging the mound.
That’s two clearly ridiculous comments I’ve made in the last day that have been taken at face value (in this case, 1/2 taken at face value.)
When was it again that I was ever a frequent contributor who actually had opinions or thoughts worth serious consideration? I’m the OTHER Nick, for crying out loud.
I don’t really want to say that I “railed.” More like, I don’t understand how drinking a thick, malty beer warmed to 45 degrees can be a pleasant experience. Similar to how I can’t imagine drinking Scotch between April and October.
However, one thing I did not mention during the initial “discussion” is that I live in the South. As a result, it’s like downtown Cincy on a midday in late July for three straight months, day and night. So that’s a factor, since most people I was talking to live near to Canada.
I too wondered this. I don’t know the answer.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
If Wedge had done that and won, Sheffield would have looked more like a fool than he already did, and probably “blown his stack” (i.e. chirped more because he would have looked like a bigger fool than he already did).
Sheffield should count his “blessings” and get over it already – he instigated the whole thing to begin with.
And as for getting hit 3 times by Carmona this season, I heard on STO that Verlander hit the Indians 6 times in 2007 (not sure it was the same Indian, though I wouldn’t be surprised if someone like Garko or another player got hit more than once by him, unintentionally in all likelihood), yet we didn’t boo-hoo and want to tear Verlander limb from limb, did we? Never mind we’ve also been hit nearly 100 times on the season as a team, but very rarely have we charged the mound or even looked at the offending pitcher with disdain – we just act like professionals and take our base as we’re expected to, not make a big scene out of something that had no malicious intent – there was no reason for Carmona to hit Sheffield two batters after giving up the HR and when Sheffield has not been the tough out he’s been in the past. If it would have been intentional, he likely would have hit the next batter or gone after Cabrera in his next at-bat or after someone like Ordonez or Granderson, both of whom are bigger threats in that lineup than Sheffield is now.
Just my 2 cents.
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
Hello Jay,
“Docile” often means “smarter,” especially in cases like the Carmona-Sheffield fracas. We don’t make something out of nothing (when it comes to fights, anyway) like Mr. “They’re going to have to deal with me, I have enough money to pay any fines, trust me” Sheffield. :-)
The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.
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