Best and Worst Predictions
VegasWatch compares twelve sets of preseason predictions with the current standings and comes up with the five best and worst calls of the year. PECOTA takes the top two spots, Steve Phillips the bottom two. What a shock.
Definitely worth a full read, and the author is an Indians fan who stops by here now and then.
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Jay
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I was just coming over here to post this link. I’m looking forward to the next part where he’ll be looking at PECOTA preseason projections to each team’s run differential.
Also, FWIW, I was looking at Vegas’ initial futures lines, the Rays opened at 68.5 o/u, and as a 200/1 shot to win the WS. The sportsbooks will be on the hook for a pretty big loss if the Rays were to pull this out.
by millionairesrow on
Sep 23, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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While we’re mentioning it, I put a little bit on the Rays at 25-to-1 to win the AL East. I’m very excited about the next six games.
by NickFantana on
Sep 23, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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I’m rooting you on. I finally bit on the Rays at 100:1 on May 14th to win the WS. I guess I just needed 40 games (and a reminder post from VW that it was still available) to put me on board.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on
Sep 24, 2008 8:59 AM EDT
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That’s definitely exciting and pretty good odds for the 14th of May. Go Rays!
by NickFantana on
Sep 24, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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FWIW, the goal of the sports books is to have an even number of betters on either side, thereby making the outcome of each individual prop irrelevant. Sports books make money on fees (the viggorish, if you will), not wins/losses. This is why the lines float, not based on performance data, but the (n-1) bet.
Now ol’ Sally Walnuts down in Ashtabula … yeah… he’s sweatin’ it.
And yes, if I had a bunch of money, I would absolutely build/run a casino.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Sep 25, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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FWIW, the goal of the sports books is to have an even number of betters on either side, thereby making the outcome of each individual prop irrelevant.
that’s a common, outdated misconception. again, thanks to VegasWatch, I found this: Interesting listen. It’s about 2 hours long, but well worth it if you like to dabble in the Sunday spreads. In it, Salmons said that it’s silly to think that the books don’t take sides in games. For example, they had a pretty big stake in Minnesota in Week 2, and they got killed on it.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on
Sep 25, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
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Two hours? I’m at work… yeah I got two hours.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Sep 25, 2008 1:30 PM EDT
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I don’t know the last time I was ever so excited to listen to something two hours long.
by NickFantana on
Sep 25, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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The Mariners prediction I think was a no brainer. Only idiots and Seattle homers really thought that team was going to do anything.
The Tampa Bay prediction was much ballsier, although a lot of their success was literally impossible to predict. Teams don’t just go from by far the worst bullpen in baseball to a top five one in a year. Well, they apparently do and it’s just another example at how volatile a bullpen can be and just how much it an affect a team’s success.
by Joe. on
Sep 24, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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Teams don’t just go from by far the worst bullpen in baseball to a top five one in a year.
I feel like that’s what happens to the indians every other year.
by Brick. on
Sep 24, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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You probably feel that way because it’s the truth.
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on
Sep 25, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
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This is all so funny. We’ve become half satirists, half literalists. It’s a good mix.
by NickFantana on
Sep 25, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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Tampa Bay’s not unique there. The worst bullpen ERA in the NL in 2007 was Cincinnati; this year, they’re 2nd in the NL. The Rays went from last to 3rd in the AL. In 2006, the worst bullpen ERA in the AL was Kansas City. In 2007, the Royals were 6th, and only 0.02 away from being top 5 in the AL. So look for Texas and Cleveland to rebound in 2009.
by FredOx on
Sep 24, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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Joaquin Benoit alone could make Texas rebound. I wonder if we could buy low.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Sep 24, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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I was surprised to see the odd-even thing for the Indians’ bullpen goes back to 2001 — top 5 in ERA each odd year, bottom 5 in each even year since 2001. Very consistent, in one sense of the word, anyway!! If you use BAA, the pattern is similar, although 2001 and 2007 don’t look quite as good.
Minnesota has had a top 5 bullpen in ERA every year except this year and 2001, by the way. Similar pattern for BAA, although a little less consistent. The Angels have been top 5 in BAA every year except this year; top 5 in ERA every year except the last 2. So, some teams DO show a bit more consistency.
by peter m on
Sep 24, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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What will Adam Miller and his odd-even injury thing do to our bullpen’s even-odd performance thing if he lands there next season?
I can only hope that Atom got his ’09 injury out of the way this season, so both trends are aligned.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Sep 24, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
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I presume people are joking about this odd/even thing with the bullpen. The Indians are perfectly capable of sucking in the pen next year, too. As Jay pointed out elsewhere, the 2007 pen was nothing great outside of los dos Rafaels.
by odradek on
Sep 24, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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Of course. But, I was also noting that some teams (Minnesota and LAA) seem to have been able to defy the conventional wisdom that bullpens are, by definition, unpredictable and inconsistent. They’ve been pretty consistently good. Can we have some of what they’re drinking?
by peter m on
Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Minnesota absolutely pisses me off with their bullpen crap. They must have some magic wand they wave at otherwise 4A wavier fodder and turns them into all-star relievers.
dammit.
Jealousy is not pretty.
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on
Sep 25, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
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Minnesota’s bullpen isn’t overwhelming this year – most of the heavy lifting has been done by Reyes, Nathan and (now) Breslow. Outside of those 3, the pen is perfectly ordinary. Bullpen consistency is a matter of having starters that go deep into games and stability at the back end. Minnesota’s starters average 6 IP per start and Nathan is Nathan. For LAA, it’s closer to six and a half.
by FredOx on
Sep 25, 2008 10:30 AM EDT
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Well, we had half of that formula for most of this season. Boo Borowski, I guess.
Now our starting pitching is unsettled and we still don’t have a back of the bullpen guy we’re confident in (Stomp notwithstanding). I guess that means, if we have one bullet in our gun, we should aim at a dominant closer (I see Jay’s email points to the same conclusion).
by peter m on
Sep 25, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FChIlpWNpXs
I’m going a long way for this line, but I like it.
“Jealousy’s an ugly color, Bankfarter.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Sep 25, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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I looked at this in the past, and I came to the conclusion that it’s basically just the impact of having that one dominant guy, which changes the whole complexion of any given pen, and transforms the math of having a good pen. Twins and Angels have had that one dominant guy, year after year, and we haven’t.
by Jay on
Sep 25, 2008 10:50 AM EDT
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Without looking at it, I’d wager to guess it’s a dominant guy plus a good guy. A Juan Rincon, back when he was good, or Donnelly or Shields.
by odradek on
Sep 25, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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Well, there doesn’t really tend to be a “good” guy. There are only a handful of relievers that consistently get good results, year after year, and most of that handful tend to be dominant in most season. Consistently good seems to be more rare than consistently great.
by Jay on
Sep 25, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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Feel free to mention here that Jensen Lewis is our Joe Nathan…..right?
by NickFantana on
Sep 25, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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Clearly not, but Lewis’ first 19 appearances after he got installed as closer-of-the-moment aren’t horribly dissimilar from Nathan’s first 19 appearances as a closer (in 2004, when he was several years older). Not the same neighborhood, but still the same town. Sample size, schmample size, I’m grasping for straws here.
by FredOx on
Sep 25, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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Beginner’s luck.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Sep 25, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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I was thinking Adam Miller, but sure, what the hell.
by Jay on
Sep 25, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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