Adam Dunn
by tribefan23
on Jan 11, 2009 10:22 PM EST
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Ok, I know none of us are sold on Big Ben in Left, so doesn't it make sense to sign Adam Dunn? He'd do so much for this team, it's not even funny. A big bat w/leadership and versatility who could take the load off of Hafner and allow PRONK to return under Dunn's shadow.
If only we can find teams to give Kobayashi and Dellucci away to, b/c we wouldn't need anything in return. We'd have $7 mil/year and could possibly sign Dunn for less ($8-9 mil per year) but for longer (3-4 years) than any team on the market.
(I know someone's gonna comment on Dunn's defense and strikeouts)
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A shoulder will determine whether Hafner is Pronk. Adam Dunn will not.
I’d love to have Dunn on a 2-year contract, but I just don’t see it as a realistic possibility. It’s time to let go of that particular dream. As far as dumping salary, who’s going to choose to take on those contracts?
by jds16 on
Jan 11, 2009 10:34 PM EST
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I think it is not a parody. It appears that he/she posted the same idea in the comments section on cleveland.com after Terry Pluto’s latest Terry’s Talkin’. Where is it more appropriate, one wonders?
by Deep South Ken on
Jan 12, 2009 11:04 AM EST
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here’s something I didn’t know. Adam Dunn has averaged twice as many stolen bases per year as Ben Francisco in the major leagues.
by plato on
Jan 11, 2009 10:47 PM EST
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since pitching, defense, and SPEED win championships.
by plato on
Jan 11, 2009 10:50 PM EST
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Alex Cole!
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on
Jan 11, 2009 11:15 PM EST
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I think he meant speed as in quickness, not meth.
by danvail on
Jan 12, 2009 10:37 AM EST
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I’m not that down on Dunn, but I just don’t see this working out. Payroll is about at max for 2009.
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on
Jan 11, 2009 11:16 PM EST
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You know, it’s about time someone brought this up around here.
by fwembt on
Jan 11, 2009 11:20 PM EST
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… but then how is Derosa gonna play the OF when Marte catches fire?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 11, 2009 11:25 PM EST
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I can’t believe that no one has thought of this before.
But what about all the strikeouts? I don’t know if I want that kind of drain in our lineup. How are our baserunners going to move up? Lord knows he’s not much of a bunter.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jan 11, 2009 11:28 PM EST
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Bat him leadoff, Grady bunts him over. Simple as that.
by fwembt on
Jan 11, 2009 11:33 PM EST
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Sold. If only Dolan weren’t so cheap!
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jan 12, 2009 9:40 AM EST
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Adam Dunn is the kind of guy the Tigers would sign.
by Toxicadam on
Jan 11, 2009 11:41 PM EST
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If they would have signed 9 of him last year, they would have reached that 1,000 milestone that BTN figured was a sure thing.
*According to the Baseball Musings Lineup Analysis — one of my favorite toys — a whole team of 2008 Adam Dunns would average 6.67 runs per game — so that’s 1,080 runs per season.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on
Jan 12, 2009 1:00 PM EST
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yes, and they would give up 20 runs on def.
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on
Jan 15, 2009 1:11 PM EST
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This year’s Jason Bay.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Jan 12, 2009 12:34 AM EST
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He’s a millionaire professional athlete, so my guess is … plenty of people.
by Jay on
Jan 12, 2009 8:34 PM EST
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Why bother with Dunn? I think we could probably still get Jason Bay.
by KevinV on
Jan 12, 2009 12:24 AM EST
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I’m more sold on Ben in left than Garko at first. League average production in left is excusable, below average at first is simply inexcusable. I don’t have a solution just extremely frustrated.
by rockemsockem on
Jan 12, 2009 1:12 AM EST
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I’d say the heaviest odds are between June and September of 2009 depending of course on performance/need.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 13, 2009 8:26 PM EST
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Is it weird I’m more anxious for Michael Brantley?
by rockemsockem on
Jan 13, 2009 10:07 PM EST
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No. On the surface they have about the same timetable for the majors—at least in terms of what they’re capable of—but I’m guessing LaPorta is going to make it up first. I’d bet a lot on that because A) Brantley is younger and probably won’t be treated in any kind of hurry, B) I can see the team needing some power and wanting a player who can also rotate at first, but I’m not sure I envision a scenario where Shapiro/Wedge want to inject speed into a corner outfield spot.
This is just off the top of my head. Jay or Adam could lay the hammer any moment now.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 13, 2009 10:48 PM EST
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He is? In what way exactly?
http://firstinning.com/players/Ben-Francisco-a/
http://firstinning.com/players/Michael-Brantley-a/
If the best the rich man gets is Ben Francisco it kind of sucks to be rich right now.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 13, 2009 11:04 PM EST
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Yeah not even close. I just love the fact that a 21 yo gets on base like he does(AA!). I don’t know what the scouting reports say but you would figure he could develop some sort of power. Maybe an ISO around .100 would suffice if you’re getting on base like he does. Consider me a Brantley enthusiast.
by rockemsockem on
Jan 13, 2009 11:45 PM EST
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Well, fellas … looks like we got another fan here who doesn’t know about the Most Important Stat for evaluating prospects …
by Jay on
Jan 14, 2009 1:23 AM EST
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It’s a little strange, looking at his last two years, to note that his BB rate actually went DOWN from 07 (13) to 08 (10.3) in AA, even while his OBP went up almost 50 points (.345 to .392).
by danvail on
Jan 14, 2009 8:45 AM EST
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When Ben was a senior in high school, Brantley was in sixth grade.
by odradek on
Jan 18, 2009 11:15 PM EST
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This is almost a bannable offense, and this is coming from someone who loves Adam Dunn.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 12, 2009 8:00 AM EST
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And while we’re at it, a ban to the three individuals above who didn’t give sarcastic answers. For shame.
by supermarioelia on
Jan 12, 2009 9:14 AM EST
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Well, everyone is quite hospitable these days, huh?
Hello, TF23. Welcome. The general non-response you’re getting is due to:
1-Shapiro’s repeated statements that all the money is spent.
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2-The fact that Dunn has been talked about, a lot, on this site. Here’s a good place to start if you’re looking for the general opinion.
by afh4 on
Jan 12, 2009 9:20 AM EST
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And the fact that we can’t just “give away” Kobayashi and Dellucci.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Jan 12, 2009 11:42 AM EST
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Although there’s a few around here who would if they could.
Still the local "Barfield Bounces Back Believer" and confident that there's still a lot of Pronk in Hafner. Oh, and for all the love of Cliffy, there's still a Sleepy Kitten inside.
by mjmarble on
Jan 12, 2009 12:26 PM EST
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Not to toot my own horn here, but I’d also suggest this thread from a month ago
by hans on
Jan 12, 2009 2:41 PM EST
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Mark Shapiro is on the phone with another general manager. In the manner of Bob Newhart, you can only hear Shapiro’s side of the conversation:
No, seriously, we’ll just give them to you….No, we don’t want anything back, you can just have them – no prospects, not even a few bats – you can just have them….Yes, I know they’re expensive, but you’ve got money, right? …Well, we’d like to play our prospects, too – that’s why they’re available….No, we can’t pay any of their salary- that’s why we’re making this special offer…I’ve been authorized by management to throw in a case of Snuggies – they come in handy for those April snow games…That’s still not enough?….No, we will not ‘throw in’ Jensen Lewis or Kelly Shoppach… C’mon, Neil, Jason Michaels worked out for you last year, right? You owe me, Dellucci’s got all kinds of veteran leadership potential and Kobayashi will provide you 50 decent innings out of your bullpen at a fairly reasonable price…No, I’m sure your Steelers playoff tickets were fantastic and I don’t want to talk about the Browns – nobody wants to talk about the Browns. Neil, I’m talking about just GIVING you two major league players here for free! free!… Well, sure, you’d have to pay them, but other than that they’re absolutely free! Neil? Neil? You there, Neil? Neil?…….
by woodsmeister on
Jan 12, 2009 9:43 AM EST
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That deal was done if Shap had only offered the Slap Chop. Snuggies are overrated.
Still the local "Barfield Bounces Back Believer" and confident that there's still a lot of Pronk in Hafner. Oh, and for all the love of Cliffy, there's still a Sleepy Kitten inside.
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Jan 12, 2009 12:28 PM EST
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Ah, but Snuggies are inexpensive enough that one really could buy them by the case. And let’s not forget the book light.
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Jan 12, 2009 1:00 PM EST
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LOL – I forgot about the book light.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 12, 2009 1:34 PM EST
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“yah gonna love my nuts…almonds walnuts…”
by cclemens31 on
Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM EST
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This phone conversation never took place.
How was Huntington expected to pick up the phone while lounging under a blanket if he didn’t already have his very own Snuggie? Blankets can be so goshdarned restrictive!
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
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Jan 12, 2009 1:15 PM EST
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Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 12, 2009 1:34 PM EST
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“Neil, I know the money isn’t a big deal to you because you’re already throwing it away by spending $20 a month on paper towels.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 12, 2009 1:55 PM EST
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I’m gonna go ahead and rec this.
-Erik
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Jan 12, 2009 3:11 PM EST
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You forgot Shapiro’s second attempt.
“You’re interested Dan?… Wow! I didn’t know you’d be so excited. Of course! It’s my pleasure… Just Kobayashi? Fine. Fine. One’s better than none… I had no idea you needed someone like him so desperately… We’re friends, this is what friends are for… Gosh. I’ve never heard you gush so excitedly… ‘Seventh inning stretch’?… Wait…. Hold on… Dan… Dan!… Yes, that WOULD be a real crowd pleaser. I mean, who wouldn’t like to let a fan challenge him? But I think there’s been some confusion… Yes, confusion… Hold on… I’m talking about the RELIEVER Kobayashi… Dan?… Are you there Dan?”
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Jan 12, 2009 3:35 PM EST
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"You’re interested DanBill?… Wow! I didn’t knowknew you’d be so excited. Of course! It’s my pleasure… Just Kobayashi? Fine. Fine. One’s better than noneBut why stop there? There’s this guy we call Looch… I had no idea you needed someone like him so desperately… We’re friends, this is what friends are for… Gosh. I’ve never heard you gush so excitedly except when you got that 1B platoon combo from me that one time… [Masa can pitch for you after the] ‘Seventh inning stretch’?… Yes Brian, the bottom of the seventh. What else would I have meant? Wait…. Hold on… DanBrian… DanBrian!… Yes, that WOULD be a real crowd pleaser. I mean, who wouldn’t like to let a fan challenge himpitch instead? But I think there’s been some confusion… Yes, confusion… Hold on… I’m talking about the RELIEVER Kobayashi… Brian?… Are you there Brian?"No, he doesnt start.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 12, 2009 3:52 PM EST
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… and that’s what happens when you can’t decide between two guys. FAIL for me.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST
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I hear that Brill Sabasi is a real sucker.
by Logodaedalus on
Jan 12, 2009 3:56 PM EST
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Bavasi isn’t a GM anyway, keep in mind.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 12, 2009 7:10 PM EST
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Dunn is a DH, 40 hr and 100 rbi tons of strikeouts and walks, we really do not need him, we still need more pitching, not more hitting.
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on
Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM EST
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I would take more of either. You can’t have too much hitting or too much pitching.
The argument isn’t whether or not we could use Dunn. Shapiro would sign him in a heartbeat if he could, I’m sure. The argument is whether or not we have the money for him, and Shapiro has already said we don’t.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Jan 12, 2009 12:59 PM EST
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Why don’t we just trade Dellucci and Garko to the Royals for Soria? I hear they need a first baseman and an outfielder.
Besides, the Royals haven’t spent any money on bad contracts this offseason on players like Kyle Farnsworth, Willie Bloomquist, or Mike Jacobs. Oh, wait…
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Jan 12, 2009 12:26 PM EST
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I think “need a first baseman and an outfielder” usually means “need a DECENT first baseman a DECENT outfielder.” Tell me, would you give up Soria?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 12, 2009 1:57 PM EST
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No, but I wouldn’t have traded Asdrubal Cabrera for Eduardo Perez, either. And isn’t that the basic backstory of all outlandish trade proposals, that someone may once again be that stupid?
As an aside, does anyone in the world actually call Asdrubal “Toaster”?
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Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM EST
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Soria is so much more valuable now than Asdrubal Cabrera was in 2006. I imagine the bad GMs can see that.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 12, 2009 7:11 PM EST
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I miss another one. Sunrise, sunset.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 13, 2009 12:18 AM EST
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I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict 40 HRs for Dunn this year.
by PatBordersHelmet on
Jan 12, 2009 4:28 PM EST
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Doesn’t someone have to sign him first?
-Erik
by drerikbrady on
Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST
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Between the Nats and the Nats, he’ll get signed.
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Jan 12, 2009 5:03 PM EST
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I’ll betcha a whole lotta nothin’ that he signs somewhere else besides DC.
Still the local "Barfield Bounces Back Believer" and confident that there's still a lot of Pronk in Hafner. Oh, and for all the love of Cliffy, there's still a Sleepy Kitten inside.
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Jan 13, 2009 1:30 AM EST
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Has anybody mentioned that he can’t bunt?
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Jan 12, 2009 7:50 PM EST
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Has anybody ever seen Tribefan23 and ClevelandCrazy39 in a room together at the same time?
by odradek on
Jan 12, 2009 8:54 PM EST
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Are you intimating the presence of PEDs?
by odradek on
Jan 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST
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I too lazy to search for the Craze-miester’s debut on the site, but I believe Tribefan23 was either his father or his sock puppet.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jan 17, 2009 4:37 PM EST
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I think his father was Pronk66 (some two-digit number after Pronk).
by odradek on
Jan 17, 2009 6:21 PM EST
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Sock puppet then?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jan 17, 2009 9:42 PM EST
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Dunn and Sheets should just start their own team and play in the NL West.
by FranklinScott on
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Maybe he can play emergency quarterback for the Browns, too.
Adam Dunn is
1) the left handed version of Richie Sexson
2) the ghost of Dave Kingman
3) another one of the unemployed
4) The Nationals Savior
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder
by jerseywahoo on
Jan 14, 2009 10:42 AM EST
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Whereas Sexson isn’t a perfect comp for Dunn, I think Dunn’s career playing out like Sexson’s from this point on is a distinct possibility.
by ClarkM on
Jan 14, 2009 11:01 AM EST
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Really? Because Sexson had such a good eye at the plate?
/sarc
Signature to be named later.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:36 PM EST
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Congratulations, you picked out the biggest difference between the two players. Sexson had the better batting average of the two, but it didn’t quite make up for the difference in walk rates.
There are some similarities, though. They are both huge guys. Dunn is listed at 6’6, 240. Sexson is 6’8, 237. I’m not sure what the relationship between size and injuries is, but I would intuitively think they might be more succeptible to breaking down earlier. Like Dunn, Sexson didn’t have many injuries prior to his age 29 season.
They rely a lot on their power stroke. Sexson’s ISO in his age 26-28 seasons (.276, .225, .276). Dunn’s ISO the last three years (.256, .290, .277).
In Sexson’s age 29 season, he was hurt for almost the entire season. In his age 30 season, he posted his best OPS+ of his career (144, his ISO was .278, but it was also in a move to the AL.)He followed that season up with a OPS+ of 117. His ISO dropped to .240, but he also suffered a substantial dip in his walk rate. Finally, in his age 32 season, he was an ineffective player when on the field. He also missed time for an injury.. His ISO now was a mere .194, though to be fair, he suffered some bad luck on balls in play.
I think there is a distinct possibility that Dunn’s next four years could look something like that. Injured, very good season, decent season, and completely ineffective, if not in that order. Of course, Dunn may very well remain healthy and hit 40 bombs for the next four season.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:23 PM EST
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Dunn’s list of comparable through age 28 is pretty impressive:
1. Darryl Strawberry (920)
2. Jose Canseco (906)
3. Harmon Killebrew (902) *
4. Rocky Colavito (895)
5. Reggie Jackson (889) *
6. Troy Glaus (867)
7. Tom Brunansky (865)
8. Barry Bonds (861)
9. Roger Maris (859)
10. Boog Powell (859)
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Jan 14, 2009 5:29 PM EST
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Sexson’s comps through 28 is less impressive, and certainly different:
1. Cecil Fielder
2. Jay Buhner
3. Hank Sauer
4. Paul Konerko
5. Danny Tartabull
6. Matt Stairs
7. Tony Clark
8. Troy Glaus
9. Pat Burrell
10. David Ortiz
by DaytonDogg on
Jan 15, 2009 11:56 AM EST
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It’s like a fantasy baseball waiver wire special…
by danvail on
Jan 15, 2009 12:59 PM EST
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A lot of “professional hitters” in that group.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on
Jan 15, 2009 1:34 PM EST
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is it sad that i can rec without looking once I click actions?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 15, 2009 3:14 PM EST
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Are you saying you’re a rec slut?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on
Jan 15, 2009 4:28 PM EST
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What’s impressive, their careers up to that point or their post-28 careers? Bonds, Jackson, and to a lesser extent Killebrew were on a different level from the start so I’m not sure how much I’d bank on their career path.
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Jan 15, 2009 8:31 PM EST
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thanks for rippin’ on me, guys!
I’m arookie, and I’ve been broken in now
Dunn’s lost over 20 pounds so far this off season…
by tribefan23 on
Jan 14, 2009 5:21 PM EST
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I heard Dunn and Hafner can share a barstool now.
by fwembt on
Jan 14, 2009 5:37 PM EST
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Good form, rook … taking it like a man.
But don’t think you’re all broken in just yet.
by Jay on
Jan 14, 2009 7:24 PM EST
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not until he’s had a jay beat-down
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
Jan 15, 2009 2:07 PM EST
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Your haiku form needs work, that’s for sure.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 15, 2009 1:16 AM EST
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tf23 is just employing the lesser known 7/11/13 “consecutively increasing prime numbers” Haiku form once popular in early Shinto religious poetry…
by Logodaedalus on
Jan 15, 2009 10:51 AM EST
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I feel like there should be an award for this.
by NickFantana on
Jan 19, 2009 9:09 AM EST
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You mean Dennis Miller, right? Right?
by Logodaedalus on
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Nah, I was thinking Skip Clueless, er Bayless.
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My favorite acronym has always been C.H.U.D., also my favorite movie!
by hans on
Jan 17, 2009 1:35 AM EST
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“What are your favorite food, book and movie?”
“Fried green tomatoes for all three!”
by Logodaedalus on
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Spoken by someone who’s never had smoked C.H.U.D.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
by Harry Doyle on
Jan 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST
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Primes, haiku, and Shinto are way too mainstream for Miller references. Miller goes way more obscure.
by jds16 on
Jan 16, 2009 12:48 PM EST
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In a post on mlbtraderumors the Indians reportitly were considering offering Pedro
Martinez a 7mill contract for one year
by Sizemorgasim on
Jan 14, 2009 6:10 PM EST
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Did mlbtraderumors do something wrong?
-Erik
by drerikbrady on
Jan 14, 2009 9:57 PM EST
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Not that I’ve ever noticed.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on
Jan 15, 2009 1:37 AM EST
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Who the hell is keeping track?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
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lol
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on
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You’re on a roll.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on
Jan 15, 2009 2:17 AM EST
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I try to make really meaningful posts.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 15, 2009 10:21 AM EST
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Is there a typo in your comment or a subliminal message? I mean, given your user name and all…..
by SuddenSam on
Jan 15, 2009 9:49 AM EST
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The typo in the user name drives me crazy enough.
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