Tribe was in on Pedro?
According to John Heyman, the Tribe made a $7 mm offer to Pedro before they signed Pavano.
So if the Pavano signing is worth at least $1.5 mm and potentially up to $5.3 mm, does that mean they essentially have $1.7 - 5.5 mm available?
Regardless if it's available, even knowing Pedro's injury history/risk, I'd rather take the $7 mm gamble on Pedro than the $1.5 mm gamble on Pavano.
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lenred
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Not to get picky, but the article says that the Indians never made Pedro an offer:
“The Indians never made a formal offer, but they were contemplating something in the $7 million range depending on how his health checked out.”
I would think that the “$7 million” offer would be highly incentive driven and not fully guaranteed, so no, I’d guess that we don’t have a few extra million lying around.
by millionairesrow on Jan 14, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My bad. I’m brain-dead at work right now, so that was an oversight on my part.
by lenred on Jan 14, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m still brain-dead or I would have correctly replied to millionaires’ post, not my own.
by lenred on Jan 14, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least you got it right this time! So you’re showing signs of improvement.
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Jan 14, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is really weird…I swear I had a dream last night that the Tribe signed Pedro. I was thinking (in the dream) how awesome it would be to have Pedro tutoring Fausto.
by RD74 on Jan 14, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Is there any evidence that Pedro has ever helped anyone pitch before?
Carmona was just fine without Pedro in 2007. And Pedro, by the way, is a jackass.
by Jay on Jan 14, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you know you can’t be responsible for what you dream….screw Pedro.
by RD74 on Jan 14, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay. Didn’t quite read it that way before. Good work.
by Jay on Jan 15, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Pedro, by the way, is a jackass.
Between Carmona’s rabbit punches, Cliff Lee’s ass-around-your shoulders style and Pedro’s general jackassery, we’d have the most feared pitching rotation the majors.
by NickFantana on Jan 14, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheffield vs. Zimmer in the loser’s bracket.
by SuddenSam on Jan 14, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So veteran pitchers can train other pitchers, except when we don’t like them. Then they can’t.
by Voltaire on Jan 15, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase Moneyball, great former hitters don’t make great hitting coaches. Who needs Pedro?
by joeee on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro has annoyed me ever since he rode in on his white horse to beat us in relief in the playoffs.
by piersall on Jan 14, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly the reason that I’d ever be around 50/50 on excited about us getting him. I really can’t stand him because of that, but considering the fact that Pavano has a guaranteed spot in the rotation I can’t help but feel that Pedro would be able to help us.
by lenred on Jan 14, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hammy would have resigned in disgust, so it’s best this didn’t happen.
by JulioBernazard on Jan 14, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is this Shawon Dunston, who had an OPS+ of 69 for the 1998 Indians?
by odradek on Jan 14, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Think Dunn will take $5.5M?
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Jan 14, 2009 7:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
why sign him for $5.5mm? he *can’t bunt!!
by lenred on Jan 14, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised to see this Heyman tidbit. Obviously, Pedro has much more upside than Pavano, but I guess either his medical records were concerning or he wanted more money.
$7M is alot though for such a question mark and I think he would’ve cost us more guaranteed money than Pavano.
by JP_Frost on Jan 14, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Indians overspent their budget. They were essentially out of money when they signed Pavano.
by Jay on Jan 14, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
just read something where dolan said if they don’t make the playoffs they will loose money this year. no problem though, since we’re going to.
by Brick. on Jan 14, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no problem though, since we’re going to win the WORLD SERIES! WHOOOOO!
Fixed.
by NickFantana on Jan 14, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t sound drunk enough…
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 15, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Jan 15, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yoo hoo .. Chicken Little here ..
What if we are 38-46 in July? A bloodletting of vets? Victor and Cliff .. etc?
maybe its best not to think about it.
by Toxicadam on Jan 14, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Enough already!!
The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay
by Buckeye Brad on Jan 15, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that isn’t just bold for EMPHASIS
by NickFantana on Jan 15, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I click it it makes things disappear! How cool is that?
by Logodaedalus on Jan 15, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This would be the difference between the subject line and Bold for Emphasis.
by FredOx on Jan 15, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, lenred’s post got me thinking, though. Are we just assuming that if Pavano gets the incentive bonuses that we’ll be putting it on a credit card? I’m guessing that has to be the case, which is why we don’t in fact have that other money “available.”
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jan 14, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If by “credit card” you mean Dolan’s personal cash…… then yes. But if Carl Pavano is healthy and pitching well enough to reach the incentives one would think the Indians will reach the playoffs.
by rockemsockem on Jan 15, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad I have LGT. I meet very few Cleveland fans from Ohio that have any level of intelligence regarding the Indians.
by world dictator on Jan 14, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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