Best Outfield Arms of 2008
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"And if you're the kind of person who can't stand perfection in others, well, you'll be pleased to know that Grady Sizemore, who seems to be good at everything, is quite noodle-armed. This was his worst season to date, but he's been below average every year of his career. "
Frankie and BenFran were both a third of the way down their respective lists.
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The stats guys have a long way to go to get me to give up my preference for scouting opinions in evaluating this tool. I will say that this report is more convincing than any other statistical analysis I’ve seen.
I love a good OF arm.
by jhon on Jan 22, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s fun to watch. But can we agree that “arm strength” is the least important of the 5 tools? That tool list needs a re-write.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 22, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. What would yours be?
Power (SLG)
Eye (OBP)
Glove (range)
Speed (steals, 1st to 3rd, etc)
But then what? Agility (i.e. reaction time)? Domino skills?
Burn on, big river, burn on...
by Turkmenbashi on Jan 22, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just from observation and without looking at statistics, my guess is that Franky and Choo both have outstanding outfield arms. Choo in particular
by Roger Dorn on Jan 22, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i would have to think Franky’s arm would move up if he were in the CF column, where he really belongs.
by piersall on Jan 22, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There isn’t a stat in the world that isn’t going to convince me that Ankiel is ‘worse’ than Kotsay, Upton, Kemp, Vlad, Lucwick, Pence, etc…
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Jan 22, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wait… did I say that right? Brick…?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Jan 22, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a Howitzer out there.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jan 22, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I hope every baseball fan saw the clips of him gunning down runners between second and third from the CF warning track. Amazing.
Carmona for Cy Young 2009
by danvail on Jan 22, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus didn’t even need to do much. Those throws would have landed within 6 inches of the base without an infielder even there.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Jan 22, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really need to transfer the file from my Win machine to my mac, so I’m not tempted to wait for it to load on mlb’s site.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Jan 22, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow. ankiel is huge arm.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Jan 22, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree. Kills and holds are dependent on more than just the outfielder, so I think this model is pretty crude. I feel like this one could be settled in a good, old-fashioned high-school-baseball-tryout-throwoff.
by joeee on Jan 22, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To expand my opinion of model holes: pitching staff strength, divisional opponents offensive strength, divisional opponents run tendencies, park factor (adjusted for but still imperfect), game situation – plus, what is an “outfield arm”? Accurate, strong, or mesh of the two? Also – how well an on outfielder fields a ball has a lot to do with the runner’s decision.
by joeee on Jan 22, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea i mean, what if a runner is a freaking moron and decides not to go to third when Ibanez is throwing from the deep corner of right field?
or what if Skinner is coaching first and third against all the teams these OFs are playing against?
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Jan 22, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t want to think about skinner
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Jan 23, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe we’re still going with Skinner.
by supermarioelia on Jan 23, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Jan 23, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Jan 25, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve always known grady has a weak arm. but, uhm, i’m pretty sure it was better last year than it ever was.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Jan 22, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever his arm is, he was a legitimate MVP contender with that arm as part of the total package.
by Jay on Jan 22, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. grady’s bomb.
Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.
by Gradyforpresident on Jan 23, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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