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Most of this is in Insider, but here's a short synopsis of the Cleveland players who made the list.

13. Carlos Santana: "Given his tremendous control of the strike zone and above-average power, he has very little to do to turn into an average big league catcher, but there's a high probability that he develops into much more."

27. Matt LaPorta: "LaPorta is what he is (or what you thought he was, if you thought about him at all before this sentence): a slow, patient slugger, stuck at first base, whose power and on-base skills will make him a productive middle-of-the-order hitter and who is ready for the majors now."

58. Adam Miller: "At this point, he just needs to stay healthy for a full year, and if the way to do that is in one- and two-innings bursts three times a week, so be it."

61. Nick Weglarz: "Weglarz is one of the most disciplined hitters in the minors -- he's drawn three fewer walks than Lars Anderson the past two years in more than 100 fewer plate appearances -- and only his uncertain power potential keeps him out of the top quarter of this list."

66. David Huff: "Huff will sit 89-92 now and touch 94, and he still has an excellent changeup. He throws both a slider and a curve, with the slider now showing solid-average, but the curveball has a chance to become at least fringe-average although its slow rotation means it probably won't be plus."

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Law ranks our top 10 in a separate link:

Cleveland Indians
1. Carlos Santana, C
2. Matt LaPorta, 1B
3. Adam Miller, RHP
4. Nick Weglarz, LF/1B
5. David Huff, LHP
6. Hector Rondon, RHP
7. Kelvin de la Cruz, LHP
8. Lonnie Chisenhall, 3B
9. Carlos Rivero, SS
10. Abner Abreu, 3B

by Roger Dorn on Jan 22, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Abner Abreu?

by cheech99 on Jan 22, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

young (rookie-level) 3B prospect with terrible plate discipline and huge power

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

though the medium term plan is to probably turn him into a RFer. Strong arm, and, I believe, he doesn’t project as an IFer.

by Kenyafan on Jan 23, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The most legit list I’ve seen from any national prospect ranker.

by afh4 on Jan 22, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought both Jon Sickels and BA’s lists were surprisingly legit. I’m looking forward to seeing Kevin Goldstein’s.

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Sickels’ was crap if I remember correctly. Didn’t see BA’s.

by afh4 on Jan 22, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is BA’s:

1. Carlos Santana, c
2. Matt LaPorta, of
3. Nick Weglarz, of
4. Adam Miller, rhp
5. Beau Mills, 1b
6. Lonnie Chisenhall, ss
7. Kelvin de la Cruz, lhp
8. David Huff, lhp
9. Michael Brantley, of/1b
10. Carlos Rivero, ss

And here is Sickels’ (top 22):

1) Carlos Santana, C, Grade B+
2) Matt LaPorta, 1B-OF, Grade B+
3) Adam Miller, RHP, Grade B
4) Beau Mills, 1B, Grade B
5) Hector Rondon, RHP, Grade B
6) Lonnie Chisenhall, SS, Grade B-
7) Nick Weglarz, OF, Grade B-
8) David Huff, LHP, Grade B-
9) Carlos Rivero, SS, Grade B-
10) Scott Lewis, LHP, Grade C+
11) Michael Brantley, OF-1B, Grade C+
12) Kelvin De La Cruz, LHP, Grade C+
13) Wes Hodges, 3B, Grade C+
14) Matt McBride, C-OF, Grade C+
15) Luis Valbuena, 2B, Grade C+
16) John Meloan, RHP, Grade C+
17) Zach Putnam, RHP, Grade C+
18) Trevor Crowe, OF, Grade C+
19) Rob Bryson, RHP, Grade C+
20) Chen-Chang Lee, RHP, Grade C+
21) Cord Phelps, 2B, Grade C+
22) Bryce Stowell, RHP, Grade C+

Pretty sure Sickels moved Huff up to a B, meaning he probably got moved up the list, too.

A fair amount of convergence in the top 10. KLaw’s rebuff of Beau Mills seems like the biggest disagreement.

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BA never gets over crushes on first-rounders. They have a big feature story on Trevor Crowe up right now. Seriously. And I’m like, what, no Dan Denham update? Tim Drew? Tim Costo?

by Jay on Jan 22, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone has to have their crushes. Theirs are at least conveniently organized for them.

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

danny peoples?

Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.

by Gradyforpresident on Jan 23, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I lost my prospect innocence with David Miller.

by mrich on Jan 23, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The inclusion of Abreu at #10 just seems like an attempt to claim credit for identifying a guy really early without really investing much into it. Abreu showed great power in rookie ball, but his numbers faded out as better guys from the 2008 draft began to show up. And he had atrocious plate discpline. He’s a very interesting guy, but I see almost no rational logic that would put those 9 guys ahead of him and then Abreu at #10.

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the deciding factor would be if Law actually saw him play.

by afh4 on Jan 22, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hello APV,

I think Abreu is intriguing because of his power potential and because he is so young, but I agree that there were likely a few better choices to put at #10 (Mills was one choice; someone even like Sipp could have been another), with Abreu being a bit lower and/or an “Honorable Mention” or “One To Keep An Eye On,” being that Abreu did fade a bit late (not to be unexpected, being that this was his first professional season), plus the fact we don’t even know where on the diamond he is going to play, which will certainly impact how much he will have to hit in order to be considered extremely valuable (OFer versus IFer, etc.)

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jan 24, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keith Law is not a Beau Mills fan.

by JesseAK on Jan 22, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 22, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Other notables:

10. Rick Porcello, Tigers
17. Eric Hosmer, Royals
36. Gordon Beckham, White Sox
44. Mike Moustakas, Royals
45. Alicedes Escobar, Brewers
51. Tyler Flowers, White Sox
56. Aaron Hicks, Twins
57. Aaron Poreda, White Sox
63. Ben Revere, Twins

by Jay on Jan 22, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d also add that he’s got Jason Heyward third overall and we passed on Heyward to pick Mills. I’d further recall that there were some (Good Call mcrose) pulling for them to draft Heyward over Mills. I remember thinking it although it doesn’t appear I posted it.

Ain’t I smart in retrospect?

by NickFantana on Jan 22, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Mat Gamel’s No. 86. I remember reading at least one analys saying we got the third-best player on the Huntsville team in the C.C. trade, but KLaw doesn’t seem to think so.

by TheDanimal on Jan 22, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m almost positive it’s for the same reason he doesn’t like Mills, which is no position.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 22, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I scanned this list too quickly, and read “Tyler Flowers Aaron Hicks” as “Taylor Hicks”. Seriously, just lop off my nuts and shoot me in the face….now.

by supermarioelia on Jan 22, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Brantley this far off the radar?

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 22, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Klaw has repeatedly called Brantley a fourth outfielder, but he always adds “if he doesn’t gain any power”, which is not very helpful in my opinion…

Fwiw, I got this question in a chat yesterday with Callis:

Keith (Chicago): Is Michael Brantley an everyday player?

 Jim Callis: (3:12 PM ET ) Not unless he finds more power. At least not on a contender.

by kwoog on Jan 22, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s fair to say that Brantley has some things to prove to people, including his ability to stay healthy.

There’s concern about his power, but his ability to be selective and make contact against advanced pitching at such a young age tells me that the power is going to come. Not everyone is as confident, I guess.

Jhonny Peralta also was not given any respect as a prospect until he was IL MVP in 2004, despite having had a very good season at age 20 in Double-A two years earlier.

by Jay on Jan 22, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing. I don’t follow prospects very closely, but I was surprised to see a third baseman I never heard of before on the list while Brantely wasn’t on it.

Shapiro screwed up the CC trade — FIRE HIM!!!

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 22, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brantley is my methadone to Franklin Gutierrez’s heroin

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

READ THIS SHAPIRO

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 22, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn you.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 22, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Any reason why no one seems to love either Hodges or Valbuena?

If Sickels is correct about those two only being C+ prospects, that would explain why Wedge didn’t shift the infield around.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Jan 22, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hodges because he’s not that great. Valbuena because he is the kind of prospect that gets missed by most people.

by APV on Jan 22, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hodges is a good-not-great bat with little if any defensive value.

Most prospect rankings are laced with bias towards highly athletic or toolsy guys. Quality all-around players often are underrated, as are players who have solid but unspectacular performances without the pedigree of a high draft pick.

by Jay on Jan 22, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hello DeRoMyHero (neat username :-),

There have been some recent reports that Hodges’ defense at 3B is not that good, which would likely necessitate him becoming a 1B in the future, and of course, that’s one of the most crowded positions in the Indians’ organization (Martinez and Garko at the ML level, LaPorta at AAA, Mills at AA, Weglarz was originally a 1B in HS, and it still might be his best position, though most suspect that that position won’t be open for him at the ML level), so that’s another reason why Hodges is often overlooked, besides the fact he’s put up solid, but not great or eye-popping statistics.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Jan 24, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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