Cleveland's New Starting Pitcher?
It will be....
CARL PAVANO!!!
Seems like a very interesting, incentive based signing. I never loved him when he was with Florida but I guess he could be an average acquisition. I would rather spend a little more and get an injury prone guy like Sheets.
According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Indians are in serious discussions with free agent starter Carl Pavano. Pavano will visit Cleveland soon and a deal could be wrapped up quickly. We'll have to see if Pavano can come close to the $2MM guaranteed Mike Hampton received from the Astros.
[attributed to Buster Olney by a rumors site, and not substantiated - Ryan]
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You beat me to the punch on this one…by one minute nonetheless. I certainly would rather sign someone else, but with our limited resources, this is probably the best we can do. If he stays healthy, maybe we get 8 wins out of him as our #4 starter…more likely scenario is that he’ll end up on the DL before the season starts. Here’s hoping (praying, wishing, dreaming) this is another Kevin Millwood signing for us!
by tobytobytoby on
Jan 6, 2009 12:45 PM EST
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It probably can’t end that badly though.
by KevinV on
Jan 6, 2009 12:52 PM EST
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Sure it can. We’re the Indians. Remember Jason Johnson. Oh, and a serious flag here for linking to MLBTradeRumors.
by woodsmeister on
Jan 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST
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I think the real JJ mistake was sticking with him for too long, not his actual performance.
Hopefully Shapiro learned that lesson.
by KevinV on
Jan 6, 2009 1:08 PM EST
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Based on his response times to the Pronk, Victor, and JoeBo injuries, he didn’t.
by JulioBernazard on
Jan 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST
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ok, even assuming he can stay healthy (big assumption, giving that the last time he pitched a full season was 2004), it’s not a given he’d be better than David Huff, whose spot he’d be taking in the rotation.
by Ryan on
Jan 6, 2009 1:09 PM EST
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We are short on starters. I don’t mind a low risk roll of the dice like this.
by KevinV on
Jan 6, 2009 1:21 PM EST
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I’d like to see Huff start next year in the Cleveland’s rotation too, but given the Indians past history that unlikely in my opnion.
by world dictator on
Jan 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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I don’t think it is that unlikely. He doesn’t have much to prove in the minors; he spent half the season in Buffalo, 16 starts, and actually had even better peripherals there (4.43 K/BB) than in Akron (5.40 K/BB). I think any of the optionable guys will have to significantly outperform the non-optionable guys (Reyes and maybe Pavano) in order to take a spot from one of them, but I see little reason that Huff could take a job away from Jackson or even Sowers. I guess Huff would take a 40-man spot away, but they’re going to have to deal with that at some point in order to use him, and I think it’s better than even money that that happens this season.
I would think Laffey has a leg up on the other optionable guys, simply based on having the most big-league success over the last season or two.
Here’s a scary fact: Lee racked up more PRC last season (139) than Carmona, Sowers, Laffey, Reyes and Westbrook combined (33 + 32 + 31 + 25 + 17 = 138).
by Jay on
Jan 6, 2009 2:51 PM EST
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(5.4 k/bb in Buffalo and 4.43 k/bb in Akron)
Has there been any serious discussion of a 4-man rotation lately?
by cleveland teamer on
Jan 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST
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I tried to make the case like a year and a half ago.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST
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Is there anyone on this board who really thinks that we will not likely use at least 6 or 7 starters this year? I think any more, we pretty much have to assume that we’ll need at least 1 and probably 2 starting pitchers from AAA at some point, if only for doubleheaders and rainouts.
by woodsmeister on
Jan 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST
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I guess there’s not really a downside here, provided he’s not allowed to suck up too many major league innings. But I have to say I don’t see any upside other than as a depth starter in C-bus. Even when he was “good” his K rate was barely average.
by mrich on
Jan 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST
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Is he better than Laffey or Sowers…honestly?
by Tribe Alive on
Jan 6, 2009 12:52 PM EST
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It’s kind of hard not to be better than Sowers was last year. That being said, this seems like a strange signing.
by Cols714 on
Jan 6, 2009 12:53 PM EST
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If he stays healthy (big if but hey Kerry Wood and all) I’d take him over both in a heart beat.
by mjschaefer on
Jan 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST
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Pavano has always relied heavily on his fastball, throwing it more than 50% in each of his past three seasons, including 63.5% in 2005. Unfortunately, it appears he’s lost a few ticks since then, with his average fastball coming in just shy of 88, rather than 90.
blech
by macasson on
Jan 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST
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Castrovince mentioned Pavano and kris Benson as possibilities in an article yesterday
by millionairesrow on
Jan 6, 2009 12:55 PM EST
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For the record, I do not care, at all. If we spend less than 2 million dollars on Carl Pavano, I don’t care. It’s just another arm to compete.
by afh4 on
Jan 6, 2009 1:09 PM EST
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I thought this might happen… This is typical Shapiro/ Wedge take a chance with an old star dont spend much money and sign a 1 year deal. Lots of upside not much down side.
by NCTRIB on
Jan 6, 2009 1:34 PM EST
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There should be a name for this type of deal….or is it a signing?
by cleveland teamer on
Jan 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST
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Geez, isn’t this just a textbook KMTS, except with less money upfront?
All those who want that kind of signing have to realize … this is basically what the guy looks like at the start of that deal.
by Jay on
Jan 6, 2009 1:45 PM EST
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I’m curious; he supposedly wouldn’t go to Florida because they only offered 1 million and he was holding out for 2.
While it’s not a big deal either way, 1 million is truly piss away money.
Also, Pettitte has rejected a 1 year, 10 million dollar offer.
by afh4 on
Jan 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST
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For under $2M I would rather trade for a pre-arb pitcher, but of course there’s a) talent lost and b) needing to find a team willing to make a trade.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on
Jan 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST
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If it’s really under $2 million, this is just a hair above a minor league signing in terms of significance and risk.
by Jay on
Jan 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST
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Where does this rank relative to the Gutz for Teahen deal, in terms of legitimacy (at the time it was reported)?
by Logodaedalus on
Jan 6, 2009 3:28 PM EST
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“Highly plausible” vs. “Highly unlikely if there isn’t more to this”, I think
by jhon on
Jan 6, 2009 3:31 PM EST
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Comments closed … let’s consolidate discussion in my much-cooler front-page post.
by Jay on
Jan 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST
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