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Indians sign Carl Pavano

UPDATED: As reported by Jerry Crasnick for ESPN.com, the Indians are a "strong candidate" to sign have signed Carl Pavano, who might be called a "recovering jackass" in the parlance of our time, to a one-year deal for an undisclosed sum, presumed to be less than $161 million.

At the end of the season, Shapiro listed the club's main needs going into 2009 as an infielder, a closer, and a number-three starter, roughly in that order. Having already acquired one of the very best infielders and one of the very best closers available, the Indians have basically spent down the bulk of their payroll flexibility for 2009, so it's been fairly clear for some time that the Indians would have to go bargain-hunting for a starter.

Crasnick's report characterizes the potential deal as similar to the famously well-structured and happy-ending Kevin MIllwood deal in 2005, only perhaps a bit smaller in terms of dollars. Pavano would joins Anthony Reyes as the two serious candidates for the last three rotation spots who don't have minor league options remaining. Aaron Laffey, Jeremy Sowers, Scott Lewis, Zach Jackson and David Huff will also be competing for those spots, but any or all of those five can be stashed in Triple-A and called up as needed.

Those seven pitchers combined for 69 starts in the majors last season, plus 66 starts in the minors and a smattering of relief innings.

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That would be a pretty dominant AAA pitching staff.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah. And that’s with Adam Miller moving to the bullpen.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And David Huff anchoring the rotation.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2009 2:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, snap — I should add him.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And just think if Rundles stays down. That bullpen! Rundles to Miller? Whew.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2009 2:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And if we can re-sign John Halama as the long man?

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2009 2:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but of the wrong league.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re right, those guys and Michael Aubrey probably could win the NL.

by afh4 on Jan 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s part of what makes it funny. Like The LaPorta or Of DeRosa.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a Columbus resident, I would be happy if the Clips won the Governor’s Cup. I’d be more happy if the Indians won the WS.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you talking about? It’s the International League! Unless MLB becomes the Intergalactic League I don’t think it gets bigger than that.

by APV on Jan 6, 2009 8:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

If this deal goes through I can’t wait to read the comments at cleveland.com

by mjschaefer on Jan 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure where I’m going with this, but in 2004 Shapiro was hot-on-the-heels of Pavano and Clement (remember how this dominated our discussions?) and wound up with Millwood, whose contract turned out to be infinitely better than the terms for Clement and Pavano.

A quick search of LGT turned up this gem, from Ryan in Nov 2005, revisiting the decisions of 2004 and showing how:

free agent pitchers are at best a crapshoot, and at worst, a spin at the roulette wheel.

by macasson on Jan 6, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wanted Clement so bad. Wasn’t David Wells involved somehow?

by mjschaefer on Jan 6, 2009 2:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(whoops, posted before i finished. premature posting problem.)

anyway, the indians’ front office clearly has certain philosophies and beliefs and also seem to learn from their past experiences. investing multiple years and tens of millions into free agent pitchers is something the indians, wisely, see as too risky for their market. makes me wonder just how serious they were about signing cc … though of course they did sign westbrook … who is now injured ….

by macasson on Jan 6, 2009 2:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you realize that this site did not exist in 2004.

My recollection is that we were never (reportedly) in on Pavano. In addition to Clement, we went hard after Jon Lieber, who signed with the Phillies but had gushing things to say about the Indians organization, not unlike Trevor Hoffman a year later. Lieber worked out decently for the Phillies, but nobody signed that year worked out better than MIllwood-then-Byrd did for us.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you’d hope i’d realize that, but my memory is quite poor … no wonder i couldn’t find anything from 2004 about pavano on the site! could it have been in the days leading to ST 2005? i digress …

and, yes, that’s the other interesting angle: how shapiro seems to build relationships/create goodwill with some of the athletes, even if they don’t sign with cleveland. FO intangibles?

by macasson on Jan 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How long has this site been here? I found it some time in ‘06, I think, but I don’t know how long it was around before that.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 6, 2009 9:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe the site started in early 2005 – I started blogging here in the late summer.

by Ryan on Jan 7, 2009 12:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice find on that old piece. Ryan has always been a sucker for WARP.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve been trying to kick the habit lately, though.

by Ryan on Jan 7, 2009 12:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The crazy things is that 5 years later, Jamie Moyer is still a viable pitcher.

by Ryan on Jan 7, 2009 12:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obligatory rec.

I don’t like it, but it’s obligatory and all.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They’ll have to pony up.

by mjschaefer on Jan 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you mean Big Donkey up.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, but how do you know FOR SURE?

by world dictator on Jan 6, 2009 5:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pav would be extremely low on Shap’s “character guy” scale, wouldn’t he?

by JulioBernazard on Jan 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

The evidence that he was dogging it was always just anecdotal. It looked bad, but it wasn’t necessarily what it looked like.

Has he had other clubhouse issues?

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear some of A-Rod’s clubhouse cancer stuck to him.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 2:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got in a car crash going 120 MPH, cracked a few ribs, lied to his teammates and management about it for 11 days… I just can’t see Shap being interested in that kinda noise.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This naplesnews.com link seems to confirm what I vaguely remember from his Marlins days. He was considered a high character guy until he came to the Yankees. This reinforces my opinion of New York fans and media. Anyone have any other insight into Pavano’s attitude?

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 12:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pavano, however, will trade fame for fortune any day.

Crazy ominous quote there.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 7, 2009 2:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As long as Adam Dunn is ALCS MVP I’m okay with it.

by mjschaefer on Jan 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be awesome.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually I’ll go back a little more and say he out-duels Beckett.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re calling the heroic how-is-our-number-4-starter-doing-it performance?

Paul Byrd spoiled you.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On that rotation, he’d be our number 2, right? We don’t start guys on short rest, so Game 6 is the second start for the #2 guy.

So I guess I’m inadvertently calling the terrible-injury-to-Carmona-or-Lee-followed-by-Pavano’s-inevitable-ascent scenario.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 3:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which rotation? Not an [Only One] October one with Jake Westbrook in it.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a weird signing that would be. I really need to look at his numbers, but really there are no numbers to look at. It’s all a crapshoot.

What are we hoping for here? 120 innings? 90? Or do we think he can actually go a full year?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From the Fangraphs Profile, posted by mrich on the other thread:

… we turn to Marcels. The monkey has Pavano pitching 78 innings with a 4.60 FIP. That is an optimistic projection and one not completely based in reality, considering Pavano hasn’t thrown that many innings combined since 2006 … if Pavano does reach such a point he’ll be worth roughly a win over a replacement level starter, and if he can give a team 100 innings around his career FIP (4.21), he’ll be a worthwhile pick-up out of the junkyard.

by macasson on Jan 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pavano’s velocity also went from low 90’s to high 80’s (90 to 88), which might explain some of his problems in New York.

While that normally would be discouraging, Pavano is just getting back from TJ surgey. There’s probably a decent chance his velocity is back up.

by world dictator on Jan 6, 2009 6:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With him and Westbrook, we could have the all TJ surgery recovery team.

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jan 6, 2009 9:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm. Not a deal I ever would’ve seen coming. Vintage Shapiro. I’m sure that the whole thing hinges on the physical.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ew. Pavano?

by Joe. on Jan 6, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s believed that Pavano is looking for a contract with a low base salary and incentives based upon his workload.

Who believes that? I suspect Pavano is looking for a high base salary. Even if nobody would pay it.

by cleveland teamer on Jan 6, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I’ve decided that this deal

A) Will not work out.
B) That won’t matter because it’s not a lot of money.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just as an aside, but the Tribe is paying Pavano less to pitch in 2009 ($1.5 base) than the Yankees paid him to go away in 2008 ($1.9). Yes, these are unrelated facts but the comp goes to show you are right in saying it’s not a lot of money in MLB terms. You never know, he might work out for a couple of weeks or months, and the money will have been a good flyer investment.

by MTF on Jan 7, 2009 10:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even further aside…we’ll be paying Pavano just $300,000 more than the Mets will be paying Bobby Bonilla every year between 2011 and 2035. Bobby Bonilla. 2035. And yes, he will be 72 when his contract officially ends.

by APV on Jan 7, 2009 11:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Wow. I mean, wow. Bobby Bonilla.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 2:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sham-Wow.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 3:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, not again!

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here

The Mets released him on January 3, the first workday of the new millennium and a few weeks after he guaranteed “fireworks in the millennium” if he didn’t play regularly in 2000. Bonilla has been unable to back up his inappropriately loud talk with his play, but a contract that guaranteed him $5.9 million for 2000 served as a major threat to the Mets, who tired of his act. Bonilla was holding all the cards, so to speak.

The best the Mots could do was get him to defer his pay—with interest—for 11 years. Under terms of the agreement, Bonilla will be paid nearly $1.2 million every year from 2011 to 2035. The total will come to approximately $29.8 million, or about $835,000 more than the club gave Bonilla in December 1991 when they made him the game’s richest player.

by APV on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the second part should be boxed too, not sure why it isn’t

by APV on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Dodgers are trying this with Andruw Jones on a much smaller scale. I’d do it.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Hawk Harrelson’s short but laudable tenure as general manager of the White Sox, he traded a 23-year-old Bonilla to the Pirates for Jose Deleon.

by odradek on Jan 7, 2009 7:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAWK HARRELSON DID NOTHING WRONG!

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Jan 8, 2009 12:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s a better investment than most $1.5 million draft bonuses, I can say that with confidence.

by Jay on Jan 7, 2009 12:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s about what Dan Denham and J.D. Martin cost, right? BTW, I still haven’t given up on J.D. Martin. Or Fernando Cabrera. I let go of Jason Davis sometime last year.

by jhon on Jan 7, 2009 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m with you on JD Martin jhon. And I still believe in Pronk.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 7, 2009 1:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well you both are fans of the Nationals then, since he signed with them this offseason. Along with our old friend Matt Whitney. Both are spring training invites.

by talonk on Jan 7, 2009 1:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I went to as many Nationals games last year as I did Tribe games. Maybe I am a Nats fan?

by jhon on Jan 7, 2009 2:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They’re sort of our reverse-AAA affiliate. On the way up, you stop by Columbus. On the way down, the Nats.

by Jay on Jan 7, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is funny because the past two years Columbus has been the Nats’ AAA affiliate.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s an awesome way of thinking about it.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 7, 2009 2:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t forget the HJs.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with having an NL team. ;)

by talonk on Jan 7, 2009 2:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fernando was released last month by the Orioles … not sure if he’s signed with anyone yet.

by talonk on Jan 7, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think most diehards would admit to being psyched if we got him back on a minor league deal. Still, I would fully expect eventually we’d release him and be aggravated all over again.

As I recall, he was annoyed to have been DFA’ed and insisted that he’d only had two or three bad outings. As if.

by Jay on Jan 7, 2009 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Oakland debacle is what ended my affection for him. Although that was a Borowski-Cabrera blown save combo platter

by Roger Dorn on Jan 7, 2009 4:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like corned beef and pastrami, those two. If cold cuts were blown saves.

by Jay on Jan 7, 2009 4:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was that the game Milton hit the homerun to tie it?

by odradek on Jan 7, 2009 7:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pavana doesn’t have Millwood’s history. If signed, I’d expect his results to be more Paul Byrd than Kevin Millwood.

Also, what’s with the PD’s picture:

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point, Paul Byrd results would be amazing.

by Joe. on Jan 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After getting his Yankee deal, Pavano’s head actually did grow to that size.

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Jan 6, 2009 4:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How’d that dude (briefly) get Alyssa Milano?

by JulioBernazard on Jan 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to Castrovince, done deal:

Pavano and the Indians have agreed to a one-year Major League deal that was to be announced Tuesday afternoon. The deal does not include an option. 1B Michael Aubrey was designated for assignment to clear Pavano’s spot.

by Wahoo25Ben on Jan 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m slightly amused that the roster spot to sign a pitcher who has talent, but can’t stay healthy, came from a first baseman who has talent, but can’t stay healthy.

by Fundamentals on Jan 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With the A’s getting Giambi this is sad news for Aubrey.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bye, Michael Aubrey
You had such great potential
Never to fulfill.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

A Carl Pavano signing is always reason to drop a haiku

by lenred on Jan 6, 2009 4:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definitely

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s the right choice of DFA, but also interesting that Marte lives to play under Wedge another day

by Roger Dorn on Jan 6, 2009 4:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can’t find him on facebook, what network is he a part of?

by Roger Dorn on Jan 6, 2009 5:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec whether this is true or not.

by supermarioelia on Jan 6, 2009 5:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 6:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i hate that guy

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

circle of life.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jan 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I’m trying to cherry pick stats. Pavano is really good in the postseason.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Decent to good groundball rates and a very good walk rate. That’s about it.

by Joe. on Jan 6, 2009 3:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pavano is really good when not pitching for the Yankees.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 3:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We got our Marlin after all!

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 4:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

“But I fear the Indians of Cleveland.”

by DixonCayne on Jan 9, 2009 10:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s mostly a numbers game thing. It’s a depth signing, but the depth option is going to get the first priority. Lewis has only four starts at AAA. Huff has none. Reyes’ peripherals are scary, but him being out of options gives him the edge. Jackson is not a legitimate option. Sowers’ AAA numbers insist he can pitch at the major league level, and Laffey’s MLB numbers suggest he can pitch at the MLB level. I’m fine with everyone with the exception of Laffey starting in AAA.

And it’s going to be a cheap deal, so much so that I’m sure he’ll get the boot if he’s not doing his job. I just have fears of Livan Hernandez, Ramon Ortiz, and the like, blocking the real talent with their “veteran” status.

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If nothing else, this gives us a few weeks to see who really puts it together in AAA. I’m not convinced that Shapiro would let an underperforming Pavano block someone who’s proven over the first month and a half at Columbus that he’s ready right now.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 6, 2009 3:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huff had 16 starts at Buffalo last year with good numbers. Not that I disagree with your point, exactly, just making a clarification.

by Fundamentals on Jan 6, 2009 5:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel comfortable saying that this is our last move of the off-season.

by mjschaefer on Jan 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless the heavens open and Dellucci is dealt. Yet I have this feeling Dellucci, now in a really limited role, is going to have the year he was supposed to have.

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to Castrovince here are the terms:
Pavano is guaranteed $1.5 million for ’09, with the chance to make another $5.3 million in performance-based incentives.

by tobytobytoby on Jan 6, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castrovince said he’ll have a conference call with Shapiro, so hopefully we’ll get some more info on the incentives.

by JP_Frost on Jan 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that’s cheap. Definitely the “creative contract” Shapiro was talking about. I just wonder how easily attainable are the incentives. At least it’s a cheap guarantee.

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Denver Post is saying the incentives don’t kick in until 18 starts and 130 innings. Fair timing for Cleveland, who’ll have a few other options mid-season (Huff? Sowers? Lewis?), the ability to go get a starter on the market if they are in a pennant race, and the option to cut Pavano with having paid him very little.

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 4:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How in the hell does the Denver Post know this? Most motivated sports beat reporter ever?

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, yes. Troy Renck is pretty much the best in the business as far as being in-tune to what other teams are doing.

by jefftribe on Jan 6, 2009 5:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s slightly more than the bag of chips and leftover frozen pizza in the fridge I was hoping we signed him for

by APV on Jan 6, 2009 8:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it’s going to be great when he registers the W to knock the Yankees out of the playoffs

by ASP on Jan 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The more I think about this deal, the more I like it. No risk, medium to high reward, ALL Shapiro.

by Joe. on Jan 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even less risk then the DeRosa trade. If he gives us 100 innings of average pitching, I think this is worth it.

by painaxl on Jan 6, 2009 4:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where did this come from…

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cleveland.com is delivering!

by mjschaefer on Jan 6, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn you for making me look.

i stopped when the guy was assuming pessimistic cases for Lee and Carmona, but pretty much locked in 10 wins for Byrd.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jan 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re not going to get me.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 5:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Payroll now at approximately $79.5M (including Westbrook and estimates for pre-arb guys) if Shoppach gets $1.5M in his first year of arbitration eligibility.

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’ll get more than that. Hell, Broussard got $2 million.

I’d pencil in 3 for him, especially considering we may give him a little bonus as part of a multi-year deal.

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 4:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, how does the Denver post get this story and Paul Hoynes doesn’t?

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hoynes is asleep at his desk, someone will eventually wake him up.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jan 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door—that way Lumbergh can’t see me, heh—after that I sorta space out for an hour. I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I’m working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I’d say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISpsK5MwnXY

by Jay on Jan 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That’s been on HBO a lot lately. And I can’t help but watch it every time.

by xrickx on Jan 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is my job

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 6, 2009 4:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, sorry. Ironically I stole someone else’s idea in the same thread I was high-and-mightily clearing my throat.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 4:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is better/worse than the Jason Johnson deal

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s way better. The difference between Pavano and Johnson is talent.

by Roger Dorn on Jan 6, 2009 4:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d love to find a job where I could get paid $1.5 million with no expectations.

Please just don’t beat Juan Gone’s record for quickest dead comeback ever.

proverbial "moron in a hurry"

by 94neverout on Jan 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think if it has to include playing time in the bigs to qualify, Juan Gone’s safe. That was a classic Cleveland sports moment.

by baergagaga on Jan 6, 2009 4:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t forget our buddy Keith Foulke, he needs to be included in this discussion as well

by millionairesrow on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

except foulke pitched 31 moderately effective innings last year for the athletics.

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 5:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought we were being Cleveland specific

by millionairesrow on Jan 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Keith Hernandez still ranks fairly highly on this list.

by ganatz on Jan 6, 2009 5:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and Foulke gave back all the money…

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 11:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He had playing time in the bigs. One at bat, did something to injure himself running to first.

by Voltaire on Jan 7, 2009 12:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s the closest I’ve come in my young life to a truly “Cleveland” moment. I still remember where I was when I heard Hammy describe that event.

by Voltaire on Jan 7, 2009 7:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are definitely right: that was a Cleveland moment worthy of Jose Cardenal.

by odradek on Jan 8, 2009 12:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I imagine Hamilton was pretty tough on it but to see it happen was even more shocking.

by NickFantana on Jan 8, 2009 9:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so from the overthinking it department – if jordan brown got selected in rule 5 would they have DFA’d Aubrey here?

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes. Brown is not on the 40 man, so nothing changes

by Roger Dorn on Jan 6, 2009 4:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but we can loose aubrey here, no?

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 4:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

affecting our 1B depth. I know LaPorta is sitting there, but yeah, never mind i don’t really even know what i’m asking.

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

probably will lose Aubrey

by Roger Dorn on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE HUMAN DISABLED LIST DID NOTHING WRONG!!!

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Jan 6, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what else would be on the disabled list? house pets?

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 4:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carl “The Human Disabled List” Pavano.

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Jan 6, 2009 4:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every team can only have one so that’s why we DFA’d Aubrey over Marte.

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 11:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UPDATE No. 4 (4 p.m.): Shapiro says Pavano is guaranteed a spot in the rotation, if he’s healthy.

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sound you barely hear is the soft tossing of various belongings into a duffel bag labeled Z. Jackson.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 5:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

Columbus has a very nice mall.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 5:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which columbus mall do you speak of?

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 5:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Polaris?

OMG, I just realized I haven’t lived in Ohio for 6 years. I bet there are better malls than Polaris now, but that one was to become the big deal when I leaving.

This post was very baseball relevant…

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 11:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you like inside malls, Polaris is still #1. If you like the outside mall “lifestyle center”-type development, then you would want to go to Easton.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 7, 2009 12:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then nothing much has changed in the last 5 years. BTW, congrats on winning the new Indians AAA affiliate this season.

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 12:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah Easton seemed to be the “hot” one when I was there circa ‘02-’05.

by hans on Jan 7, 2009 1:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh, Easton is kinda ghetto. We hardly go there — of course, we live 5 mintues away from Polaris. Not that we go there much, either. Thankfully, my wife isn’t much of a shopper; she’s the kind of woman that knows what she wants to buy, finds it, then leaves. I like that.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What, city center isn’t the place to be anymore?

by ClarkM on Jan 7, 2009 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

City Center is pretty much an empty shell that people pass through on their way from the Statehouse to the parking garages. I believe that you can count the open stores on one hand. It has been dying a slow death for the last 5 years. It was so dead that it was, essentially, repo’d by the City. The problem is that the City has absolutely no clue what to do with it. Step 1 was taking down the overhead walkway that connected the mall with what once was Lazarus. Step 2? Anybody’s guess.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 7, 2009 2:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lazarus closed down! When did that happen?

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 3:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe 4, 5 years ago now? It’s been a while.

DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.

by zempf on Jan 7, 2009 3:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really started a very pertinent string of posts here… It is the doldrums of the off-season.

by Kenyafan on Jan 7, 2009 3:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

::very nearly resists the urge to say something like, “don’t worry, I’m confident it will open again”::

by Logodaedalus on Jan 8, 2009 11:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Polaris is adding “outside mall” stores where Kaufmann’s used to be. There’s also a Cheesecake Factory and other restaurants and bars. A new British-style pub called “The Pub” just opened and I met some friends there New Year’s Eve. It’s pretty nice and has a vast array of beers.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 2:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also visited “The Pub” while I was home for the holidays. It does have a nice beer list (Bellhaven on tap!), but the food was terrible and I found the place to be pretty cheesy. The staff was wearing kilts and they were televising European Soccer that nobody was watching.

by ClarkM on Jan 7, 2009 2:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really, you thought the food was terrible? I had the fish and chips and I thought the fish was fantastic, even better than at The Old Bad of Nails.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 3:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flag…. This is crazy talk…. No one beats ‘the Bag’ at fish sandwiches. Grady batting second – OK, Easton is ghetto – huh? But this.

by JK in CBus on Jan 7, 2009 3:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re all wrong. The best fish and chips are at the Dublin Pub in Dayton, Ohio. I know there’s a small Dayton presence here, someone help me out.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YES!

As a graduate of UD, a minor regret is not venturing off campus more often to go there.

on the other hand, other than Dublin Pub and 5/3 Field, there was really no reason to leave campus.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jan 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While the Dublin Pub didn’t open until my Senior Year, it was where I took my family during graduation weekend.

And, yes, it was one of the only reasons to ever leave campus.

by The DiaTriber on Jan 7, 2009 4:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i’m pretty freaking sure i ate at dublin pub in eilat, israel

Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.

by Gradyforpresident on Jan 7, 2009 4:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I don’t think you’ve ever been to Israel.

by NickFantana on Jan 7, 2009 5:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fighting words

Anti-Ben Fran before it was cool.

by Gradyforpresident on Jan 7, 2009 6:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, having recently eaten at The Pub, I pretty much have to agree with Brad. Both my wife and I thought the fish and chips there was better than Old Bag of Nails. However, I agree with ClarkM about the cheesiness.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 7, 2009 3:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you!

Also, that place must be doing some great business. It only opened two weeks ago and already three LGT readers have eaten there.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 7, 2009 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently I’m thinking of something else. What’s the Irish Pub across the road from Hoggy’s

by JK in CBus on Jan 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Claddagh. They also have very good fish and chips.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 7, 2009 4:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was jam packed when we went there last Friday after work. We had to wait 20 minutes for a table and we got there at 5:45. When we left there were so many people that we pretty much had to force our way through people to get out.

Pronk Needs You

by woodsmeister on Jan 7, 2009 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, guess I have to go to The Pub. I lived right behind Polaris until ’04. It had just opened when I moved to the east side and never stopped in. Now I have to.

by JK in CBus on Jan 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meaningless trivia … the etymology of “Bag of Nails” can be traced to an anglicizing of Bacchanalia. This has always amused me …

by macasson on Jan 7, 2009 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn’t get the fish and chips, I rarely order it anywhere. Not much of a cod fan. I did eat plenty of walleye and perch while I was home.

by ClarkM on Jan 7, 2009 5:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes I was talking about Polaris. I honestly haven’t been there (Polaris, not Columbus) in years though.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 3:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought he was out of options.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 5:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2008/12/15/692626/mark-shapiro-was-targeting#10789923

Jackson should get a fourth option year for 2009, since he’s only played in four full seasons as a pro.

I don’t think Shapiro would have acquired him if he were out of options.

by Jay on Dec 16, 2008 7:37 PM CST up actions 1 recs

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just wanted to give you something more to quote.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 5:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just wanted to give you something more to quote.

Thanks

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Compare the excitement to the earlier news that we signed Toma Ohka.

by jhon on Jan 6, 2009 5:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Biggest if of all time, mayhap?

by Joe. on Jan 6, 2009 6:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark Shapiro: A True New Yorker(!)

by SuddenSam on Jan 6, 2009 6:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

poor tomokazu okha. always being left out and confused for a soul food vegetable.

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speaking of soul food vegatable, does anyone know whatever happened to soul veg, (i think that was the name) the vegan restaurant in coventry that used to be near the old grog shop?

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same thought, beat me to it.

by jhon on Jan 6, 2009 6:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh how i miss the grog shop. i once interviewed built to spill in the taco place next door…what was the name of that taco place?

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops, clearly meant to join the tangent above about tomokazu okra

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 5:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well its since been a qudoba, but I imagine your interview with built to spill occurred many a year prior to that. By the way what were you interviewing him for? magazine?

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 5:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn’t BtS a band, not a guy? I love the album You in Reverse.

by JulioBernazard on Jan 6, 2009 5:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah I don’t know why I wrote that… .my mind sometimes wanders off topic with all this work stuff going around me in my office….clients and all

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 5:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BtS is a band, but fronted by Doug Martsch who does almost all the talking and press work. It was great fun to interview them. I was a broadcasting major in college and used my limited contacts with label reps to get a press pass for the show and interview with BtS. I think I still have that interview on minidisc some where, now if I only had a functioning minidisc player…

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 5:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds like a pretty cool experience. Nice job on getting the press pass

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 7:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, being a college dj was a blast. shortly thereafter, i decided the professional side of things were exactly the opposite.

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 8:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec for college DJing

It never got me any very cool interviews though.

by cleveland teamer on Jan 6, 2009 10:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

qdoba or que tal?

i know that chipotles like to move into qdoba neighborhoods, but not the other way around.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Jan 6, 2009 10:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it was a ¿Que Tal?. I remember eating there before going to the (old) Grog Shop once or twice before a show.

DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.

by zempf on Jan 6, 2009 10:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh yeah it is que tal, for some reason I got them confused.

by hans on Jan 7, 2009 1:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

que tal is what it was when i did that interview as well…delicious…

by stickpiano on Jan 7, 2009 2:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1. Lee
2. Fausto
3. Pavano
4. Reyes
5. Laffey*
6. Victor
7. Shoppach
8. Hafner
9. Garko
10. Asdrubal
11. Jhonny
12. DeRosa
13. Francisco
14. Grady
15. Choo
16. DDeelluuccii**
17. Carroll
18. Wood
19. Perez
20. Lewis
21. Betancourt
22. Smith
23. Mujica*
24. Masa**
25. Marte**

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mujica should have two ** as well.

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for a second there I pictures two Bricks talking to themselves. what a world it would be.

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 6, 2009 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

and by pictures I meant pictured…… oh my god I’m talking to hans, my doppleganger!

by hans on Jan 6, 2009 5:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

Rec for sarcasm, making this the second sarcasm rec in the tree.

We can stop anytime.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 4:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank God.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 7, 2009 4:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec for the original post that was recced still not being green.

by still ill on Jan 7, 2009 7:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

red, but DO NOT REC THIS ONE

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Jan 8, 2009 12:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

If only flagged posts would turn red, we could build ourselves a nice little X-Mas barber pole.

by Logodaedalus on Jan 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“I think we’re getting him at the right time,” said Shapiro. “He tried hard to justify his contract in New York, but obviously he had a tough go of it. I know he was disappointed. He expressed to us that he’s extremely motivated and eager for a new start.”

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“[H]e was in a group of pitchers that we were interested on,” said Shapiro, who added that he didn’t have a lot of money to work with. “His physical conditioning was the separator. He’s strong and he’s healthy.”

by Brick. on Jan 6, 2009 5:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m assuming this is your projection for the line Pavano puts up this season

by APV on Jan 6, 2009 8:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I completely disagree.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 6, 2009 9:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brick’s post says Grady should stay in the leadoff spot?

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jan 6, 2009 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s what I read.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 6, 2009 9:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is the battle “Who will throw the slowest fastball?”

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 5:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that battle, tomo okha has on LOCKDOWN!

by stickpiano on Jan 6, 2009 5:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GROUND BALLS.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 6, 2009 6:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nick knows, Nick. Nick’s just being funny.

by NickFantana on Jan 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply