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He was always so easy to like until 5 seconds ago.

by still ill on Jan 7, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why does it bother you he signed with the Red Sox? It’s not like he’s a big name free agent who signed a massive contract.

by world dictator on Jan 8, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It is the Red Sox.

by Ryan Kelsey on Jan 8, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because I hate the Red Sox and I was sort of OK with Smoltz. I’m sort of OK with all NL players.

But, lord do I hate the Red Sox.

by afh4 on Jan 8, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And obviously the “will the sox trade a young starter” talks will pick up again.

If Teagarden nets Bucholz, I’d imagine Shoppach would net Masterson.

by world dictator on Jan 8, 2009 12:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

God I would do a Shoppach-for-Buchholz swap. Shoppach+ as long as it’s reasonable.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 8, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d trade Shoppach for Bucholz in a second. Unfortunately I doubt the sox would agree to that trade when they could get Teagarden for that price.

I’m really concerned Shoppach is going to have a severe regression next year. Plus, I like young pre arb players.

Does anyone else get the feeling Shapiro has one more trade up his sleeve sometime before Opening Day?

by world dictator on Jan 8, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With Smoltz not finishing his career with the Braves, I got to thinking…who was the last pitcher inducted into the Hall of Fame who spent his entire career with one team? I can name several positions players, but I can’t think of a recent pitcher.

by Ryan on Jan 8, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

sample size has a part in this.

by Ryan Kelsey on Jan 8, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Gibson?

by odradek on Jan 8, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gibson, Palmer, and Drysdale are the most recent I can think of while doing a rudimentary search.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 8, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Z is for Zenith
The summit of fame.
These men are up there.
These men are the game.

-Ogden Nash (of course)

by afh4 on Jan 8, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ogden rules. He even wrote a poem “Sabathia:”

The cow is of the bovine ilk.
One end is moo, the other, milk.

by tabler84 on Jan 8, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And…looking at the list, two things:

1-Good god the Veterans committee gets busy.

3-Am I the only one who didn’t know that Fergie Jenkins was Canadian?

2-One team, by general election…

Hmm…

As Nick has just posted, it was Palmer in 1990 it looks like.

by afh4 on Jan 8, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next: Ice Cold Fausto?

No really, maybe Mariano Rivera.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 8, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say Trevor Hoffman, but at one time he was a Florida Marlin. And of course, he’s moving on to another team as well.

by Ryan on Jan 8, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For starters Roy Halladay has an outside shot. But he’s not a HOFer yet, and his contract is up after 2010.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 8, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3 – Really? Thought it was common knowledge. He was actually born about 45 minutes from here. Also played with the Globetrotters for what it’s worth.

by supermarioelia on Jan 8, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is common knowledge … among Canadians.

by Jay on Jan 8, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it true you guys study Neil Peart lyrics in English class?

by Jay on Jan 8, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow … I always figured that was BS.

by Jay on Jan 9, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Canucks need more than Anne Murray, you know.

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Jan 8, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always found Colin Mochrie funny on Who’s Line.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jan 8, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, he and Ryan Stiles make that show (British AND US versions)

by talonk on Jan 8, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Cubs fans.

by odradek on Jan 9, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was so close to a one-team thing. I maintain an irrational desire for those.

by Voltaire on Jan 8, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You’re right. He was never officially a Detroit Tiger.

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Jan 8, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it’s irrational…. arational, maybe?

by Logodaedalus on Jan 8, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Irrational and a-rational would be basically the same thing, I think.

You may be thinking that it’s not unreasonable, but it could still be irrational.

by Jay on Jan 8, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The way I’m thinking about it, an irrational conclusion is one made in a situation where reason would produce a different result; an arational conclusion is one made in a situation where reason doesn’t really apply. Loosely analogous to the distinction between immoral, where one bucks a moral system, and amoral, where one lives outside the moral system. I’m thinking that desires of this sort are a matter of taste (or something of that sort), and might not be subject to analysis.

But, y’know. Semantics.

by Logodaedalus on Jan 8, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

/waits for 75+ post esoteric discussion to erupt

/builds shelter made of stupid to block intellectual fallout

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many years with Smoltz until Red Sox fans think that Smoltz should enter the Hall as a Sock?

by Roger Dorn on Jan 8, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just long enough until ESPN can make all their file footage of him be in a Red Sox uniform.

by Pronktastic on Jan 8, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it also require at least one column from Gammons on what a great influence Smoltz is in the Sox clubhouse

by APV on Jan 8, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And then a subsequent Gammons column explaining that staying with one team really does mean something, but in this case, Smoltz is excused because blah blah blah and the Red Sox are like his new family because blah blah Pedroia blah…

And don’t even get me started on Bill Simmons.

by tabler84 on Jan 8, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So what’s your beef with Simmons? Does it have to do with his lack of reporting, analysis, humor, objectivity, insight, etc.?

by ClarkM on Jan 8, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boston-centricity, probably.

It freaks me out how Simmons is 40-something but sounds like a 19-year-old.

by cleveland teamer on Jan 8, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s the SpORTz GuY!!!

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Jan 8, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For someone that is in his 40’s, he really likes MTV

by Roger Dorn on Jan 8, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think slutty chicks are an attraction, regardless of age.

by fwembt on Jan 8, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MTV is terrible

by Roger Dorn on Jan 8, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The previous point still stands.

by fwembt on Jan 9, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Years? How about minutes.

by woodsmeister on Jan 8, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like the Sox signing Penny, Smoltz, and Baldelli all on the cheap. Something tells me 2 out of the 3 of those work out for them pretty decently.

by APV on Jan 8, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well they pretty much have to do something with the Rays signing Burrell and the Yankees signing CC, AJ, and Tex.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Jan 8, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have always been unnerved by the singular phrase “Red Sock.” It just sounds gross.

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 9, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it’s less gross than pink sock

by APV on Jan 9, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Curt Schilling?

by odradek on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, maybe that’s where I get the connotation…

Burn on, big river, burn on...

by Turkmenbashi on Jan 10, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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