Epstein: Indians asked to speak with Farrell
I thought that this was noteworthy considering all of the conflicting reports regarding Farrell over the last few weeks. Also, the article doesn't mention Mills in connection with the Indians job, but does confirm that the Astros have contacted the Red Sox about Mills.
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Epstein also said that the Cleveland Indians had asked for permission to speak to pitching coach John Farrell, but that he said he would like to stay in Boston. Farrell would be allowed to interview if he wanted, Epstein said.
Well then.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 12, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love for that to be just wishful thinking on Epstein’s part, but somehow I doubt it.
by bewwolv on Oct 12, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what that means….Sure he would like to stay, I wouldn’t expect Farrell to say “Boy, I can’t wait to leave Boston for the first job I’m offered”
But I also can’t see why he wouldn’t be interested in interviewing.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 12, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably be excited about a managerial position, promotion, and pay increase.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Carsten Charles once said he’d like to stay in Cleveland. The subtext of course was, “if they offer me 100 million”. I like to think Farrell’s subtext was, “if they let me manage.” But I’m probably dreaming.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it makes sense for farrell to come to cleveland. i really think it is going to happen. the only thing that in my opinion could be in the way is if they offer for farrell to succeed francona whenever that may happen.
i think the whole pulling his name out was somewhat a smoke screen
by johnf34 on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m beginning to wonder if Valentine isn’t a more serious candidate than we realize.
by Jay on Oct 12, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the ESPN articles had Brenly in the running, so you know, I’m ok with Valentine in that context.
by gte619n on Oct 12, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the plan is to have Brenly as GM.
by odradek on Oct 13, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re on to something. This Farrell interview is simply a courtesy.
by odradek on Oct 13, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A courtesy? To whom?
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Oct 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To him, and to those who think he should be a manager. (Including those in Boston.) It looks good and bodes well for his career path. He interviewed for the Indians job. Even if your mind is made up, you make a public show of considering him.
by odradek on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“He interviewed for the Indians job.”
Source? The above cited article states that Boston gave permission for the Indians to contact Farrell, but that Farrell is not interested. I haven’t seen any source confirming whether he was interviewed or not.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odradek is being hypothecial. No one has interviewed for the job yet as far as we know (Tuesday, Oct. 13th.)
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Oct 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they’re conduction phone interviews now—now being at any given time two days prior and two days beyond this point—but I’m not sure if I can back that up. Castrovince said a couple of days ago that the phone interviews would be conducted “this week.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And by “conduction phone interviews,” I of course mean that the managerial hunt is “heating up.”
/rim shot, followed by sad trombone.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…I see downthread we’ve already discussed this.
I respond to my own posts far too often.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Valentine has the patience for a complete rebuild with a front office that isn’t going to take any financial risks. I imagine his positive response to the Cleveland job was his way of letting the bigger markets know he was available. I imagine if Shapiro senses this, they won’t even interview him in person. It does seem like he’d prefer managing over the TV gig. I wonder if he’ll bring Japanese-style team cohesion drills to wherever he ends up.
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Oct 13, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine has been itching to get back into the majors, I think he will take whatever he can get.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you’re 100% right. he wanted the florida job the most from what i heard. but that’s obviously not going to happen now..
by johnf34 on Oct 13, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the one good thing I’ll say about Valentine: If you don’t have facial hair, there will be facial hair provided for you.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This picture epitomizes what a horse’s ass he is. He got thrown out of a game and came back in to the dugout with this ridiculous get-up. The guy seems to have a pathological need for attention that can get fairly nauseating at times.
by stuart dean on Oct 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the perfect guy for this who want our own Ozzie, no? And honestly, I could go for that.
by Voltaire on Oct 13, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yes. I think it’s hysterical. Do I care about the integrity of the umpire’s decision to throw a guy out? Not one whit.
by Jay on Oct 13, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The disguise stunt feels like jackassery of the highest order.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That can’t possibly be right. He didn’t blow off his hometown and his lifelong team sign with the Yankees.
by Jay on Oct 14, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d rather rehire Wedge than hire Bobby Valentine.
by FredOx on Oct 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t speak for Fred, but I don’t see why Bobby Valentine should be high on our list. He’s managed in the majors for 15 years, with exactly 1 league pennant to show for it. He did generally get his teams to outdo their Pythagorean numbers for W-L (so he has THAT on Wedge, I guess). But, I don’t see the evidence that he’s the kind of manager who’s good with really young teams, especially young pitching. His Mets staffs were veteran staffs; he had some younger pitching staffs early in his sojourn in Texas, but for the most part, those teams weren’t very good. I guess one could argue that he was there for the development of guys like Kenny Rogers, Jeff Russell and Kevin Brown. But, one could also argue that he (and they) benefitted from the addition of Nolan Ryan in 89 (which is when Valentine’s Rangers stopped being a sub-.500 team.).
by peter m on Oct 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This, basically. The Wedge thing was an exaggeration, but I’ve never understood Bobby Valentine’s reputation. He managed 12 full seasons and parts of three others, half of them in New York, and still has fewer division titles than Eric Wedge has. There’s no evidence he’s adept at working with a young, rebuilding team. He hasn’t managed in the US since 2002. I just don’t get it.
by FredOx on Oct 13, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because managers are essentially meaningless. Might as well have one that is affable and good for a quote.
Did the Yankees fail last year because of Joe Giradi? Did they succeed this year because of him? Were the Texas Rangers cellar dwellars for 2 years because of Ron Washington? Is he a great coach now because they contended for a playoff spot?
Also, why isn’t Showalter’s being bandied about? I mean, this guy was the heir apparant in 2007 if Wedge failed. What has he done in two years that would make his stock fall?
by Toxicadam on Oct 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has he done in two years that would make his stock fall?
Go on TV for ESPN
by Roger Dorn on Oct 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying dumb things on ESPN didn’t hurt Dusty Baker from becoming a manager.
by Toxicadam on Oct 13, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know where you see that I am espousing that we hire Showalter? I am just asking why his name isn’t one of those that are bandied about?
by Toxicadam on Oct 13, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, reasonable enough. Careful what you ask for, though.
by peter m on Oct 13, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we’re not the kind of team that publicly lists our job applicants?
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear him talk about evaluating players based on who has a “good butt”?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s asinine. Everyone knows you judge a player based on his jawline and cheekbones.
by Toxicadam on Oct 13, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was still single, I always evaluated players based upon their butts…
by stuart dean on Oct 13, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That managers aren’t the difference between good teams and bad teams is true. But, I think managers can do things that make teams worse (or better) – like mismanaging their bullpen, playing the wrong guys, employing strategies that aren’t consistent with what’s been shown to work most often, and so on. I have no idea how you’d quantify this kind of thing, but I don’t think anyone believes that having a turnip in charge of a major league team is a good idea.
So, I do think one needs to think seriously about which potential managers have the qualities you think are important and/or have demonstrated some ability to get teams to do the things you’d like them to do. Is Showalter a guy with a track record of working well with and developing younger players (especially pitchers, since that’s our biggest need)? He was there for Mariano Rivera’s first year and for Andy Petitte’s too, but that’s about it.
by peter m on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way Keith Law put it: Jim Tracy was successful in Colorado not because Jim Tracy is Jim Tracy, but because he’s not Clint Hurdle. And sometimes, that’s enough.
RIght now, Cleveland most needs somebody that’s not Eric Wedge. Somehow, losing became expected. That expectation must change. I’m not sure there are any virtues that make Bobby Valentine the right manager, other than he has a completely different personality with the media.
by xrickx on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn’t managed in the US since 2002
A possibly crazy thought just entered my head: The fans of whatever team it was he managed love him. They physically protested his departure. Could an overseas media frenzy develop with whomever his next job is with? And could this bring [us] some desperately needed added revenue?
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiba Lotte Marines on the outskirts of Tokyo was his team. I used to ride the train for 2+ hours to see games there because it was the furthest stadium from any military base. We’d usually be the only Americans (not counting players) in the park. Good times. The hot dogs came on a stick and the mustard would blow your head off.
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Oct 14, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense except for the fact that he’s not interested. Can’t hire a guy who refuses to apply for the job.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 13, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conscript Farrell!! (if he is who we want)
by APV on Oct 13, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not sure a big name hire is the right way to go. valentine would qualify as one. i’m not a fan of when the manager attracts all the attention (ozzie). i think it would draw way too much attention to the situation and i don’t think the fans want that.
by johnf34 on Oct 13, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, a manager who got the attention might just be the way to go. Let the media focus on him rather than the younger players struggling to adjust to the majors.
Just think, every Ozzie quote is parlayed into this long analysis as to why he is a great/annoying/jack*** manager/guy while the rest of the team does not take the heat. I think that kind of situation could help. JMO
by talonk on Oct 13, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I can’t for sure it is the way to go, but it’s certainly a valid idea.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting idea, and certainly might not be a bad idea.
by MooneysRebellion on Oct 13, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a Bobby Valentine hire would be inspired. I wish I could remember when it was… pretty sure it was fragile Kenny Rogers with the Mets in 1999; maybe in the Division Series when Valentine went in front of the media and said it was his fault to leave Kenny Rogers in the game when he should have pulled him. It had nothing to do with nothing other than Valentine taking a couple bullets for a fragile pitcher he knew he needed later in the postseason.
by cheech99 on Oct 13, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he does something stupid like mismanage the bullpen or give 600 ABs to someone like Jamey Carroll while Matt LaPorta rides pine I’m not going to care what kind of histrionics he pulls. Let’s just remember that there are more important reasons why this positions is available than persona.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I don’t give a rat’s ass what kind of personality he has as long as it works. What I’m getting at is all the managerial day-to-day garbage is more important to me.
There’s also a difference between being an attention whore because it helps the team and being an attention whore because you’re an attention whore. In our case it won’t matter as long as players benefit.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking to yourself on the internet? That can’t be good.
by fwembt on Oct 14, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more of a post script. I hope.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 14, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know how Valentine got his name into this mix? Farrell had an obvious connection and there’s been public acknowledgement that the Indians would like to talk to him. I’m not sure if I’ve missed someone with knowledge of the situation bringing up Valentine’s name or if he’s just someone everyone sees as available, and enough people are quoting someone who connected the dots. The only quotes I’ve heard on the matter are from Valentine after the PD contacted him.
Hoynes says the phone interviews started on Monday, and the list had already been narrowed down to 8-10 candidates, and Valentine wasn’t one of them yet.
Former big league manager Bobby Valentine is thought to be one of those candidates. Valentine has spent the last six years managing in Japan.
In an e-mail to The Plain Dealer, Valentine responded, when asked if the Indians’ job interested him, “I would be honored to talk with the guys who run the club.”
In another e-mail sent Monday, Valentine said he had just returned from Japan and was anticipating getting a call from the Indians sometime this week. Valentine, who just signed a lucrative deal with ESPN, has an escape clause in his contract if he is offered another managerial job. Shapiro would not comment when asked if he was interested in Valentine.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also per that article, we know at the start of phone interviews that these people had additionally not been contacted:
Ron Wotus
Dave Clark
Mike Hargrove
Epstein has confirmed Farrell was contacted. He did not say Mills was contacted.
Of course it’s possible these men are lying.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep telling myself that. In subsequent posts.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you pick a manager? What qualities do you look for? If Joe Torre, or Bobby Cox, or, um, Jim Tracy suddenly came available, would you hire any of them? What about Mike Scioscia? Francona? Looks like Tony La Russa (and Dave Duncan) might be availble.
We let Charlie Manuel go because he talked dumb (and had some medical concerns). He still talks dumb but he’s got a ring and Wedge doesn’t (he also has Cliff Lee and we don’t). Is he a good manager or does his big payroll team make him look smart? I miss Charlie everytime I see him slay innocent platitudes on national TV after another win.
If only we’d looked at the book instead of the cover…
If you believe it's just a game, you're also probably wondering why Santa keeps skipping your house every year.
by LeftyCatcher on Oct 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I remember the press conference when Shapiro pointed to Charlie talking dumb as the reason he was fired. Curse our hubris.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are being facetious, correct?
My favorite and oft-used Manuel-ism “We’ll jump off that bridge when we get to it”
by stuart dean on Oct 13, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I thought it was pretty bone-headed to present as fact that Charlie Manuel was fired because he talked dumb.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we let Manuel go because he simply wasn’t the kind of guy Shapiro envisioned in that role. I don’t think he did anything wrong, and I don’t think the Indians thought he did.
by Jay on Oct 13, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t even worth a fanshot. ESPN has no information, reports nothing in front page story.
by peter m on Oct 13, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS JUST IN … an AP reporter has filed a story … and it’s now coming over the wire.
by Jay on Oct 13, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t normally done is it? Since when does a team let candidates meed with media?
After the initial phone interviews of eight to 10 candidates, the Indians plan to bring a final group of three to five to Cleveland for formal interviews and to meet with the media.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 13, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castro from earlier:
Those candidates will also be required to meet with the local media — a prerequisite that the Indians will use to gauge their communication skills.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOYNES: Now, I like to start the day with a good hoagie.
OCKER: Sometimes, on a bad day, I’ll have two hoagies.
LOVULLO: Well, I find hoagies are appropriate in some limited contexts…
Antonetti scribbles in notebook disapprovingly
MILLS: Who the hell are these people?
Antonetti smiles, makes exaggerated check mark in notes
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Exactly what I had in mind.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
legit lol… in public.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an lol in private
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 14, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG the Indians totally tried to holler at Farrell and he was like, “Nah, I got this … thing,” but then turns out the “thing” was like, “Man, I know the Indians were chattin’ up John, don’t lie to me,” and ESPN was, like, “Really, he turned them down,” but then the Indians said …
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t wait for this to get resolved when Chris Antonetti crashes Brad Mills’s black and white party … and wearing business casual to boot.
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This “LC” thing of yours is something of a round-the-clock job, eh?
by Jay on Oct 14, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I had no idea if Tyler’s LC is in that picture but I am more sure it involves LB.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All right i want to know this. Why do people on this site tell me that before i post something to ask for guidance and help, but then when i do ask a question it gets ignored and deleted?
I will ask my question here.
I have an article i would like to share, however, it doesn’t have an author or source. Not wanting to break any of LGT’s “HOLY” commandments, i do not know how to post this. Can anyone help me, since my post asking for help has somehow skipped out of town? Also where should i post questions from now on?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 13, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan said if it’s a rumor with no source then it will get deleted… if it isn’t rumor then you should be able to find an article on it and make a fanshot with a link. If it is just posturing, i.e. the future of Valuena and Cabrera fanpost, then fanpost seems the appropriate place. Anyone else?
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By a rumor do you mean something along the lines of. The indians have been rumored of starting talks of signing former browns coach Romeo Crennel?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 13, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, without something so absurdly sarcastic, of course. If it involves the Indians supposedly being interested in someone or interviewing someone with no source, its no good. Now, if it is someone you think would be a good candidate and why, not claiming the team is interested, that seems like a fanpost.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does the article not have an author or source? Where’d you get it?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From… the author? If not, find out where he/she got it. I’m figuratively shrugging here.
But if I can save you some time, you can’t always believe them when they say it instantly increases the size.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s from a Nigerian prince asking for money, don’t respond!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 14, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shoot, he told me that he had inheritance money for me.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOYCOT YOUR GAS STATION TOMOROWW!!!!!! LOLZZZ1
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you intentionally insert a broken picture link? Because that’s genius.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, that’s weird. it seems to appear like that because i had intentionally added some exclamation points after the LOLZZZ, mixed in some ones, and then back to the exclamation points, but those seem to have disappeared.
i’m a webgeniuz and don’t even know it.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t an unsourced rumor website. It is a forum for discussing your opinions, presenting analysis, critiquing others analyses, or generally engaging in game-time banter. If you got it via e-mail, e-mail the person back and ask for a source.
by APV on Oct 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t a rumor. It is an article about what could have been if wedge would have let the team play loose and relaxed along with some more resonable investments than the team made.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I feel as though I just finished reading it.
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I was going to say its either gonna be an article that you linked or a fanpost but that would need to be your own written word, yet I feel like this subject might be beating a dead horse.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 13, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright whatever, forget this happened then. I thought that it would be an intresting article for any fan that has every thought about what could have or should have been, but i guess you guys don’t feel that way.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 13, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Topic of the article notwithstanding (although really…), it would still need to be credited. In the future, for any topic, just get that and make a fanshot. If you wrote it, a fanpost. I think that’s how it works.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Whatever”? Did I just get whatever’d on Let’s Go Tribe? I apologize if I was needlessly short with you, but sweet Jesus; grow up.
Look, it’s an article by a person who is not you. Seems to me you’d either a) tell the author to open an SBN account and let him or her post it in accordance with the site rules and defend it on its merits, or b) email it to a mod and ask for permission to post it on the author’s behalf. Of course, I don’t know whether that’s the right answer, because I, along with everybody else who is reading this ostensibly private site-protocol discussion besides the mods, am not a mod. For that reason none of us can answer your question authoritatively, making both your previous FanShot and this subthread a waste of time for anybody who’s here for substantive content.
Does that answer your question, or do you have some other flip pre-pubescent comeback for me?
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Alright whatever, forget this happened then
Trust me, I’m trying. Where’s that Brita filter when you need it?
by fwembt on Oct 14, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have gotten your answer via e-mail. I would appreciate if you use that venue to discuss this further.
by Ryan on Oct 14, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, you can get the email address for any of the mods by clicking on their screen names, either at the end of a post or at the bottom of the home page. I must have had a dozen different issues come up while I’ve been posting here — personality conflicts, technical problems, protocol questions. Somebody’s always written me back within a day or so, if not sooner, and my confidentiality has always been respected. None of the rest of us have any authority on behalf of, or responsibility to, SBN, so none of the rest of us can answer your question for you — which is probably why they deep-sixed your FanShot.
The purpose of being discreet is to be discreet.
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“None of the rest of us has….”
Look, I got so worked up that forgot English.
by fleerdon on Oct 13, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you’re feeling bad about this, just read anything I’ve posted in the last two weeks. Language is becoming difficult.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would appear to be the correct answer, and the one we all should have immediately replied with.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 13, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, should have been my answer.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 13, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farrell has taken his name out of consideration
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2009/10/john_farrell_says_hes_not_inte.html
Farrell, former Indians pitcher and farm director, has withdrawn his name from consideration. He told GM Mark Shapiro this morning.
“It’s an honor to be considered for the job,” Farrell to The Plain Dealer. "Especially for a team that I played for, my father played for and where there are so many people I know and respect. All those things considered, my desire is to fulfill the commitment between Boston and myself.
“There’s no denying there is an intent to manager at sometime. But I have a mutual commitment with Boston that I feel I should fulfill.”
by millionairesrow on Oct 14, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guess the Red Sox really rubbed off on him.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m predicting midway through next season Farrell is going to be looking at his pitching staff and wishing he had gotten out when the opportunity was available
by APV on Oct 14, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he’ll look at CLE’s rotation and ’pen and be happy he stayed in BOS.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAAHA. i get it. because our pitchers are sucky. ROFL.
adam is pointing out his value might only go down from here, not that he should pick between two non-equivalent jobs based on the quaility of the today pitching staffs.
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t his value go down more from prematurely managing a 100-loss team vs. completing his contract as pitching coach for a playoff-caliber team, possibly to take over the reigns for the manager on that team at some point or for some other winning team?
I mean, if he really envisions himself taking over for Francona (hypothetically speaking), he has to know that that possibility goes out the window if he takes the Cleveland job (or any sub-par team) and exposes himself as a manager, or at least doesn’t win.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine’s value didn’t go down and he was a horrible manager.
by afh4 on Oct 14, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But a big league managing job is not easy to come by. He must be VERY confident in his chances in Boston to not even kick the tires on the Cleveland manager job especially if he has an off-season home in Cleveland.
by Kenyafan on Oct 14, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another way to look at it would be that if he were to take over for a 100 loss team (especially one with talent and potential to turn around quickly, which I feel we do), the results have a higher potential of increasing and you have the opportunity to become an instant legend (see Mike Hargrove).
However, if you take over a team that is consistently in contention, you have the potential to catch the team on the downslide and perhaps limit the window of your opportunity. Joe Girardi is a good example of this. The Yankees make 14 straight playoff appearances and miss out on Girardi’s first year. Now all of the sudden he goes into this season on a short leash, with many fans and media calling for his head.
by clusterchuck on Oct 14, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate drawing the football comparison, but there are countless NFL coordinators that passed on a job only to find their unit be terrible the next year and wish they had taken the head coaching offer. Ohio product Jason Garrett is a great example. I imagine it isn’t the best career choice in baseball either.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Thanks, but I’d rather work for a good baseball team.”
by fleerdon on Oct 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh. i don’t really want anyone who would rather be vice president than president.
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he thinks being Veep for a while longer will make him a better Prez?
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt that’s the basis of his decision. “one more year at this gig. then i’ll be ready.”
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt you know the basis for his decision.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may have been a pre-pubescent whatever, but do you really need to drag it out. How is that more mature than my “whatever” response? I don’t want to start a huge argument here but why can you tell me to grow up when you are busy mocking people?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 14, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the interests of practicing what I preach, here’s my email address: tylerpatrick at gmail dot com. If you really feel as though you’ve been wronged, go ahead and tell me so.
If all you’re after is a public apology for my rhetoric — “grow up,” all that — then, well, what do I know, you may have a point. Attack the poster’s ideas; not the poster. I’m sorry.
by fleerdon on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet let’s talk more about what your “if”, then.
i do want a guy to be our manager next year that doesn’t want to be our manager now because he thinks being a pitching coach for a while longer will make him a better manager someday.
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My candidate has no desire to be a pitching coach, for any reason.
by fleerdon on Oct 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LC would consider being a hitting instructor. Not a pitching coach, though.
by afh4 on Oct 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think a guy who’s only recently returned to the dugout wanting a little more seasoning is ridiculous, esp. since he might be able to take the reins for a BOS club with more talent and a bigger payroll down the line.
Just because he “knows” the CLE roster doesn’t mean he should immediately leap at the job. He might also “know” that there’s very little ML-proven pitching talent on that Tribe roster.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he doesn’t want the challenge, for any reason, i don’t want him to manage the indians. if the reason is that he wants all kinds of proven talent set in place so he can sit back and enjoy the ride, then i don’t think he’d be a good manager for the indians, ever. boston is a better place for him then. if he doesn’t think he can handle managing yet, then i obviously don’t want him managing the indians. that he doesn’t leap at the job is the exact reason i don’t want him in the job. i still don’t follow why i should.
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should “bow his neck” and “grind it out.”
Along with viewing managing as a “challenge,” maybe Farrell also views it as a “craft,” and one that he wants to study before starting.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
other than putting challenge in quotes, this has nothing to do with my post.
you keep posting theories as to why farrell isn’t interested. and i simply don’t care what they are. allsiknowis he wants his current job more than this one. and for whatever that reason is, i am not interested in his services.
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree. As soon as he indicates no interest, he no longer is a good candidate and is not of interest to me. There are other good candidates to worry about now.
by Kenyafan on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. No one should want a guy who isn’t actually interested in the job and doesn’t think he can help right the ship here. At the same time, Farrell’s reasoning could very well be the lack of talent on the club and a possible managing job with a winning team (where he wouldn’t sacrifice his career as a currently unknown manager). I’m ok with that, and find no reason to deny that possibility.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is the point of rationalizing his decision? don’t get me wrong. i’m glad you’re okay with your theoretial explanation as to why he doesn’t want the job.
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rationalizing his decision has just as much point as crying out against his decision.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree. problem is, no one is doing that.
i’m not saying “he should want the job because of this, this and that.” you are saying “it’s okay he doesn’t want the job because of this, that and this.”
i am saying. “he doesn’t want the job.” “i don’t want him as a result.”
by Brick. on Oct 14, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m dying to know what happened in between your quotations.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The number of managing jobs that open every year on bad teams is going to be lot more plentiful than the number of managing jobs that open on winning teams. So basically he waits until Francona retires? Then he doesn’t really want to manage, he just wants his name attached to a winner without doing the work.
“Currently unknown” managerial prospects are 9.5 times out of 10 going to take the helm of a crappy team. I don’t see why that isn’t evident.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read this as “make him a better Perez”. And I was all for it.
by supermarioelia on Oct 16, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should keep asking.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 14, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would LC drunk dial?
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 14, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She hardly ever stops. No respect for my sleeping schedule.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here’s hoping Farrell never gets a job as a manager.
by cleveland teamer on Oct 14, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’d be awesome. Unless of course the media is wrong about this.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know that i've ever thrown this many recs around in such a short timeframe
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by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You had to fill the flag void in your life somehow.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Righetti? Eh? Just thinking of good pitching staffs now.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching coach for the Giants.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 14, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. Why is he mentioned in this diary?
by JulioBernazard on Oct 14, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow, we’re back to diaries.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s me shooting a spitball at the wall.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just trying to think of other pitching coaches. It seems to me that before Acta, we only knew one candidate: Farrell. And we knew one specific thing Shapiro was looking for when he interviewed these candidates, and that was their ideas on who they would bring on as a pitching coach. There just seemed to be a pitching theme.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 15, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, Manny Acta. I was hoping his name would surface.
by Jeffrey R on Oct 14, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like the cleveland.comers hate the idea of Acta as manager. Sign me up!
by Roger Dorn on Oct 14, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Farrell out of the picture, he’s back to #1 on my list. Which means quite a bit, considering my experience in evaluating managerial candidates.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 14, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to hate on Manny Acta, given that the only things for which I know him are (a) winning the 2003 Caribbean Series and (b) living in the apartment building into which Cory Lidle’s plane crashed, but Manny Acta hates bunting.
Can’t see why he’d come here instead of Houston, though.
by FredOx on Oct 14, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To work for Shapiro instead of Ed Wade?
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 15, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought, too.
Although, Shapiro fired Charlie Manuel, and Ed Wade hired him.
Ed Wade also fired Terry Francona and Phil Garner, and he both hired and fired Larry Bowa and Cecil Cooper. Wade has five winning seasons out of 11 as GM, and none of those 11 won more than 88 games or went to the playoffs. His early Phillies teams were very low payroll, but the Phillies had the second-highest payroll in the game for his last three seasons there, and the Astros have had above-average payrolls.
Shapiro fired Charlie Manuel (sort of), hired Eric Wedge, and fired Eric Wedge (sort of). He must be viewed as a model of a GM’s loyalty to a manager. Shapiro has two winning seasons out of eight as a GM, and one of those clubs went to the playoffs, and two won 93+ games. The Indians had an above-average payroll in 2002, a bottom-three payroll 2003–2007, and a league-average payroll 2008–2009.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness, I didn’t mean why would anybody work in Cleveland instead of Houston. I meant why would Manny Acta take this job instead of that one, when reports are that he’s already talked to the Astros and expressed excitement about returning to the place he spent a decade and a half and where he got his start in baseball.
by FredOx on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acta is excited about managing. I can’t say how big the lure of the Astros organization is to him, though I take your point. The Indians’ reputation no doubt has taken a beating, but I’m sure they are still viewed as a great organization to work for despite the recent poor results.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect the reputation of the Indians organization among baseball guys is still good. Especially guys like Acta.
by FredOx on Oct 15, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reputation as people counts for something in the circle. I don’t know what people think of Ed Wade but I know what kind of reviews our front office gets.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 15, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to start a completely different topic….
….but what the heck do cleveland.com posters like? Hating Mark Shapiro and acting like Larry Dolan is Mr. Burns.
I kid you not, one of those brilliant folks actually blamed Dolan for LaPorta’s injury because they didn’t fire Wedge before he chose to play LaPorta at first instead of his natural position of left field.
Yes. Wedge putting LaPorta out of position at first base caused this hip injury.
Brilliant.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 15, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shapiro, release the hounds.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland.comers like Indians’ players once they have left the Tribe. Manny, Thome, Omar would all be welcome additions. Next year, I am sure they will be harkening back to the days of CC, Cliff and Victor even though they complained when those players were on our team.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that’s not fair, they unanimously realized that it was a mistake letting Ryan Ludwick go.
/could not be more sarc
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember hearing someone—Hamilton, Manning?—suggest at the time that LaPorta’s hip inflammation either derived from (or was exacerbated by) his playing first base. Lots of stretching and positioning somehow aggravated (or caused) the injury.
by odradek on Oct 15, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More collateral damage from the mis-handling of Marte. When will it end?
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to say they are right but…
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 16, 2009 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, changing positions likely contributed to the injury. But this wasn’t putting Garko in the outfield – LaPorta played some 1B at Florida and in Huntsville, and it’s likely that he wouldn’t have played so much OF in the Brewers system had 1B been an option there. Anyway, he played mostly catcher as a freshman in Gainesville, so maybe that is his natural position.
by FredOx on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he was a full-time 1B in college; he moved after being drafted because of Prince. baseballcube.com doesn’t have college positions, though.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 16, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaPorta switched from catcher to the outfield as a freshman, but by sophomore year, he was a full-time first baseman. He tried third base a little as a sophomore, but he was the full-time first baseman as a junior and senior.
From BA, May 2007:
The debate for the best college bat after Wieters will continue right up to the draft, and most teams believe it’s between LaPorta and Mills. “LaPorta and Mills would be the next two (college position players on most boards), because of the power, but as great as those kids are you’re talking horrible defense,” a crosschecker said. “Mills has more bat speed than LaPorta, who uses more brute strength. It should be interesting, but I bet Mills might go just ahead of him.”
Pre-draft profile:
He’s a below-average defensive player who is relegated to first base as a professional, but could be taken in the top half of the first round this year nonetheless.
Draft-day blog:
The question is where the Brewers play him, and this is just a hunch, but with Prince Fielder on board at first in Milwaukee, I’m guessing they will try LaPorta as a catcher, the position he played when he came to Florida. Some scouts in the past have compared him to Matthew LeCroy, the former Clemson and Twins catcher/DH, and that’s how LaPorta makes the most sense at No. 7 overall–if you view him as a catcher.
A few days later:
LaPorta is a curious pick; I talked to the area scout and he raves about the makeup and thinks he can play LF. If he can, it’s clearly a top 15 bat, so it could work. I didn’t think it was a great pick but that frankly means nothing compared to Jack Zduriencik.
July 2008, days before the trade:
At the time of the 2007 draft, LaPorta’s selection at No. 7 overall may have seemed curious. What were the Brewers doing taking a first baseman—a college senior, no less—that high when they had Prince Fielder entrenched at the same position?
by Jay on Oct 16, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if that comp with Lecroy is fair, after all LeCroy also brought his National Anthem singing wife to the table.
by The Grimace on Oct 17, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re just trying to make me look bad, now.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 17, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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