Rudy Jaramillo is now available....
One of the games most respected hitting coaches is now available and could get locked up as a coach before the Indians name their new manager. Why not give him a manager interview? After all Charlie was a hitting coach and he now has a ring.
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Oh wow, you’re suggesting him as manager? I wasn’t gonna go there.
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by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not give him a manager interview? After all Charlie was a hitting coach and he now has a ring.
The same reason Leo Mazzone, Mel Stottlemyre, or Charley Lau never managed. Assuming Jaramillo actually does possess a skill that helps him improve a hitter’s ability he is best suited doing just that.
It’s like trying to ask your All-Star center to start shooting exclusively three-pointers. He’s demonstrated he’s good at something. Let him continue to do that.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 14, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify: “I’m not once an assistant, always an assistant.” I’m just saying in the case of a guy who, by all accounts, is considered very good at what he does, he should continue doing that.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 14, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, what the hell. We could always pull a Browns trick and hire the staff before we hire the boss.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This hurts me.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 14, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, it astounds me how every coaching/managing conversation gets related to an NFL coaching example/analogy.
why can’t we compare hiring albert bell to how the bill laimbeer coaching saga has gone?
by Brick. on Oct 15, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by westbrook on Oct 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
of the guy’s name to spell wrong out of the two….
by Brick. on Oct 15, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec.
Will Valentine be the bell of the ball?
by JulioBernazard on Oct 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing is, I’m not even much of a football fan at all anymore, since the move. I’m actually in favor of hiring proven, top notch staff whenever we can get them. (Just couldn’t resist taking a cheap shot at the Brownies, I guess).
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 15, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of shocking that we have no coaches under contract at a moment when Jaramillo and Mazzone are both available.
It’s a hell of a lot cheaper to overpay for coaches than for players. The Indians are in an unusual situation where they can buy a dash of fan credibility here. On top of that, they may not be able to attract really good coaching talent without making a multi-year commitment anyway.
by Jay on Oct 14, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“The Indians are in an unusual situation where they can buy a dash of fan credibility here”
Would that be why their letting the media have Q&A sessions with the candidates? Kinda pointless to get a read on what the fans want when a lot of whats out there on various sites is unless it’s John Farrell, it’s an epic fail yet again by Mr. Burns and Mark Shapiro.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 14, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not let the media have the Q&A sessions? Costs them nothing, gives the media something to do, possibly helps their decision-making. Media sessions won’t give them a read on what the fans want anyway.
by Jay on Oct 14, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree. Shapiro feels that firing Wedge was in itself partially throwing the fans a bone, and he’s not throwing us another one. On the other hand, it might give fans more insight into what they’re looking for in a manager, after they hire one, and judging from the media sessions that came before it.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally, especially regarding the low cost of the upgrade. Give both of these guys a 3 year, 3 million dollar deal and let them do their work. I don’t see the downside here.
by afh4 on Oct 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The downside potentially is seeming to undermine a manager who may be less famous than his coaches. Funny thing, though, I wonder how much the manager’s day-to-day job really involves the hitting and pitching coaches. Seems like he’s more directly involved with the bench coach and defense/baserunning coaches.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we hired Bobby, we could just have a bunch of famous people hanging out.
Beyond that, I recognize that potential downside but it seems pretty weaksauce. What kind of person is going to be a less effective manager because two of the coaches are famous (and quite old) men? I would think anyone who would see their leadership compromised by that would be a bad hire in the first place.
by afh4 on Oct 15, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaramillo just turned 59 … is that “quite old?”
There’s no problem if everyone works together in lock-step. I don’t think either coach has a history of problems with managers — they both worked for long stretches with the same team.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just thinking outloud here…. is there a risk of undermining the new manager from a standpoint of not letting him pick his own guys?
by Brick. on Oct 15, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but the Indians have made clear (at least publicly) that they won’t let that happen. I mean, they fired all the coaches. It wasn’t for cause, it was for this very reason.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“won’t let that happen” – won’t let what happen? Won’t let the manager bring in his own guys, or won’t let the manager NOT have the opportunity to bring in his own coaches (thereby not letting him be undermined)? I wasn’t sure what you meant by “that.”
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 15, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cheated on that one. I had no idea how old Jaramillo was. He’s certainly old compared to Shelton.
by afh4 on Oct 15, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is he supposed to connect with our hitters from inside his iron lung??
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 15, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, chalk this up as the sort of thing you really wish your favorite sports franchise would consider, but then never happens. Shorthand; sounds too good to be true.
by NickFantana on Oct 14, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt some of you will recall that Antonetti mentioned Jaramillo favorably in our interview, one of the segments published in the 2009 Annual.
JL: It seems like DeRosa had a relatively late-career shift in his approach at the plate. He started drawing a lot more walks in his 30s, and he seems like a different hitter than he was in his 20s. Is he that rare guy who became a better hitter late in his career?
CA: Yeah, there are reasons to believe that he has made adjustments. I think if you talked to Mark, he would credit Rudy Jaramillo in Texas with a change in his approach and some things that he did fundamentally that have allowed him to be a more successful major league hitter. Mark seemingly carried forward those adjustments through his time with the Cubs, and we think that’s part of the hitter he is now.
by Jay on Oct 14, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa and TheLooch entered my mind when I saw the article, but never in a million years would have remembered that line from the annual.
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by westbrook on Oct 14, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did not recall this. thanks for posting.
by Brick. on Oct 15, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the CV that Shelton will be back? Or would Jaramillo be a better hire?
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shelton seems likelier to return than anyone else on the staff. Through a lot of turmoil, the Indians still ended up with a league-average offense. Having said that, I think they’re waiting to see if the new manager has a brilliant idea on the subject.
Still, they came right out and said that they want the manager to come in with his own idea of what pitching coach to hire. Said nothing about a hitting coach.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how I feel too.
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by westbrook on Oct 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“He felt that it was time for him to see what was out there, arguably a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I don’t think he meant that exclusively from a compensation standpoint, but also from a challenge standpoint [for] him personally.”
by Brick. on Oct 15, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rangers hitters had captured 17 Silver Slugger Awards, four Most Valuable Player Awards, three home run titles and three RBI crowns under the tutelage of Jaramillo and lots of help from the juice.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regardless, 17 silver sluggers strikes me as a lot.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly do not know how one wins a Silver Slugger.
by afh4 on Oct 15, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, evidently you start by playing every day for a team that hired Jaramillo to be the hitting coach.
by Jay on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a tiny ballpark, while taking PEDs.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is something to be said here, considering they did this all without the advantage of facing Texas pitching.
by clusterchuck on Oct 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rudy brings PEDs to Cleveland full-force, why not.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN reporting that the Cubs have permission to talk to Jaramillo, who apparently wants to go to a team with a chance to win right away. Of course. The Cubs.
by peter m on Oct 17, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have been to the postseason twice since 2003, which is more than… certain other teams.
by odradek on Oct 17, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. That DOES put the Indians in perspective!
by peter m on Oct 17, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More to the point, he wants to go to a team that is prepared to overpay for a name, and that is definitely the Cubs. The “once in a lifetime” opportunity he mentioned, that wasn’t winning, it was money for his grandkids.
I was wondering why the Cubs even needed to ask permission; turns out his Rangers contract expires Oct. 31.
Interesting story here basically saying the Rangers didn’t want him back.
by Jay on Oct 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Highest slugging percentage of any team over his 16-year tenure. All he has to do is tell batters to hit the ball to right field and let the wind take care of it. He stresses confidence at the plate, not working the count and being disciplined. Sounds like Bill Selby,
He’ll be great at Wrigley.
by odradek on Oct 17, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alfonso had 36 homers and 33 walks in his final season with Rudy as his hitting instructor..
by odradek on Oct 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hired.
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by westbrook on Oct 21, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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