Valentine, Acta or Fryman
Hoynsie says those three are in the final mix. Might be more, including Don Mattingly although that might be problematic whilst the Dodgers are still in the playoffs. No mention of Lovullo.
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It will suck if Mattingly is our manager. I really, really don’t want to be in a position where I need Mattingly to succeed.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 18, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would enjoy Mattingly…. if he does a good job.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That he does a good job…. and I appreciated him as a player. If he’s the best man for the job, then bring him in. I can’t see how people can be upset about that. And if he does a good job and we win, how can a person be unhappy with that.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he used to be a Yankee? It’s not like he even won a world series. I just don’t get that.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There actually would be something cool about Mattingly enjoying more success as an Indian than as a Yankee.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed – plus I would expect a huge surge in Progressive Field mustaches
by APV on Oct 19, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first step towards getting tall-boys of PBR at the stadium
by APV on Oct 19, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Sal Fasano back in the bigs.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn’t and we don’t.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re missing the point about what I was saying. They are complaining that we might need to “look to Mattingly” to help us succeed, and that that is a tragedy of some kind. My point is, if we succeed who cares who we looked to to do it?
And it was also about his fielding at first base.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your basic point. However, you have yet to mention a single trait of Mattingly’s that has anything to do with being a good manager.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never really claimed he was one. All I said was “I would enjoy Mattingly…. if he does a good job.”
In other words, I don’t care who he is if he ends up doing a good job. In contrast to the very bizarre posts (or which I thought were bizarre) I was responding to.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I get it now. Sorry, it really didn’t strike me that way at first.
I think others are responding to the Yankees thing.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It pains me to acknowledge that Don was a classy player.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had an idea that Shapiro wanted a manager who had really strong views on pitching. I’m not suggesting that Mattingly doesn’t, but it would surprise me if his expertise extended beyond hitting. But maybe the man best able to identify a good pitching coach is one who has never been too involved in the process.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine made almost $4 million as the Marines’ manager this year.
I assume this means Bobby V. is only interviewing because he wants a job back in the MLB, not because he thinks there’s a payday at the end of this.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 18, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fryman more likely finalist than Lovullo, although he has limited managerial experience. Some mention that Hargrove could be bench coach if the manager is relatively inexperienced.
by palcal on Oct 18, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I also heard the name Chris Chambliss mentioned as another coach if Fryman is hired; he was Fryman’s manager as a minor leaguer in the Detroit system. He’s well-known as the hitting coach of the Yankees in the 90’s and is currently the AAA manager for the White Sox.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chambliss is universally well-liked but I have heard scuttlebutt from more than one source that he hasn’t gotten another shot due to a questionable work ethic…
by stuart dean on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are these “some” you speak of?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So there are at least six names on the list that I haven’t heard. I do know that names not on the list are former manager Mike Hargrove, Yankees bench coach Tony Pena, Buck Showalter, and Phil Garner. Hargrove could end up being a bench coach if the team hires a younger manager.
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice try, but I’m afraid neither I nor anyone on this site has ever heard of this “Terry Pluto.” If you were going to make someone up, you could have thought up a less ridiculous name.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I also heard that from The DiaTribe.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flag
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by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this somehow funnier/more worth watching than the first 20 seconds imply? That’s all I could deal with.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 20, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That whole video was pretty incredible. Imagine having a conversation with that guy. Wow.
by supermarioelia on Oct 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, check out his other youtube videos….he’s like Ohio’s version of Michael Moore.
by supermarioelia on Oct 20, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar Vizquel, who was our Gold Glove shortstop, by the way.
Oh, that’s who he was! The whole time I was thinking he was an old hot dog vendor. It was between that and the “Beer Guy” beer vendor. I was way off.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 20, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy would’ve dominated the 90s lineup quiz game.
by supermarioelia on Oct 20, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of these would seem like hiring a “name” to me. Which is…just something, really. No point to noticing it.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Fryman might be more than that if they really like what he’s been doing with the younger guys. And palcal’s mention of Grover possibly being a bench coach is very interesting.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so long as he has no input on pitching…
by stuart dean on Oct 19, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no reason to think the Indians would hire Hargrove as bench coach, or that Hargrove would accept it, or that anyone has mentioned it.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen in mentioned by both Terry Pluto and Paul Cousineau.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
paul, while i love him, is not really any more of a source than you or i. besides, he’s using the pluto reference as his point of departure when considering it.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, no disrespect to him—I can’t imagine he’d take it that way—but he’s not an insider, and him saying he heard it from Pluto does not add a second source.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, although I can speak a little in Paul’s defense. Like Paul, I am not an insider, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have legit sources who provide useful information and insights from time to time. Like Tony, Paul is probably better connected than I am, but unlike Tony, Paul is probably discreet and realistic about his sources.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to tell me that Antonetti lets you follow his private Twitter feed?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
paul, while i love him, is not really any more of a source than Jay or Tony. besides, he’s using the pluto reference as his point of departure when considering it.
fixed.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was speaking of the “someone has mentioned it”, not necessarily that it was a source with insider knowledge.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I don’t mean that to sound “whatever”-ish.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Brick says is right…Pluto had the first mention of who was and who was not on the list and noted that Grover could be the bench coach.
The Chambliss thing was just interesting because I remembered the B-Pro interview with Laurila that Fryman did and thought it was interesting that Chambliss was mentioned. That led to the notion that surrounding a guy like Fryman with veteran coaches with more experience (Grover, Chambliss, etc.) was an interesting concept.
by The DiaTriber on Oct 19, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duties of bench coach:
(1) In charge of coffee machine.
(2) Takes naps on bench until manager makes a mistake.
(3) Points out mistakes to manager.
(4) Maintain a presence in hotel lounge.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(5) Hope manager gets ejected.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(6) Panic when it actually happens.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(7) Send awesome tweets.
(8) Drink Muscle Milk. For every meal.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(8) Refuse to take manager’s advice from the tunnel
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6.1) Keep and maintain a supply of false mustaches and other costume accessories.
by JimmyAB on Oct 20, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6.2) Remain current on all advances in the field of costume and concealment.
by odradek on Oct 20, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think hiring the former Nationals manager is name-bandying.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I simply mean that he would be a “name” in the sense that I’ve heard of them and they have a track record. Which, honestly, would be kind of nice, since we don’t really know what managers can do anyway.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be hard for them to hire someone less well known than Acta. I mean, what, just randomly you’re going to dig up the bench coach for the Padres who never played in the majors?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres’ hitting coach is on the Astros’ short list. Seriously.
by afh4 on Oct 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we still hire someone no-one has ever heard of, but that’s what I was expecting. Like, your new Indians manager, former Tulsa Drillers manager, Ron Gideon.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like this if he wore no shirt and yelled before every game:
I AM RON GIDEON AND I WILL DEVOUR YOUR SOULS AND FEAST UPON THE FLESH OF YOUR RELIEF PITCHERS! AAGHGHGHAHGHGHAAHGHGHAHH!!!!!!!!!!
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 19, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, would be more inclined to go to games if that were the case.
by jds16 on Oct 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of possible managers, he’s a question from this Sunday’s Hey Hoynsie:
I was sorry to see Omar Vizquel absent from your list of possible managerial candidates. Since fan unrest essentially drove the Indians to fire Eric Wedge, it just makes sense to pick the most popular Indian in memory for the job. Fans would love him as the Tribe’s first player-manager since Frank Robinson. I think major-league managing experience is overrated for the kind of team the Indians are going to field in 2010.
Yes, picking the most popular former Indian in order to please the fans is a great way to hire a manager. Besides the stupidity of the suggestion, hasn’t this person figured out yet that Dolan and Shapiro aren’t going to make their moves based on what the fans want?
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on Brad. Why not?!?
He could be player/manager too. Can’t they just do what the garden variety fan wants for once??
-Erik
by drerikbrady on Oct 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolan is to cheep to hire Omar!
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 19, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Hoynes’ credit, he politely shoots the idea down:
I’m a Vizquel fan, always have been, but right now it’s hard to say he’d be ready for the job.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh. i thought fryman way early on but figured it was too soon for him. that maybe he’d be our next next manager….
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now Fryman, on the other hand, is a logical choice for the coaching staff.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fryman seems like a taller Wedge to me. And not really in a bad way. The same thought process, the same soundbites, the same attitude. More Marte.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I think they wouldn’t even consider Fryman if he hadn’t impressed them with being able to communicate with players of all backgrounds and personalities. You’d think at this point, they wouldn’t feel they can compromise on that.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it seems to me that the next manager has to be able to deal with a team full of disparate personalities instead of trying to mold those disparate personalities into what he feels to be the correct mindset. That’s why I think they’re going to hire someone that has managed before, and has a track record of dealing well with major-league egos.
by Ryan on Oct 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing cards in the clubhouse? Was that Valentine?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Rickey and Bobby Bo in ’99.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 19, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Bobby Bonilla still getting paid? Hawk Harrelson traded him away from the White Sox. I’ll always like Bo for that.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the rumor, but I’ve only heard it here. And I’m not going to Cot’s if you’re not.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 19, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll try to check later but there’s a good chance I’ll forget.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t find his current contract (my attentions are divided), but here’s the start to his big-league career:
July 11, 1981: Signed by Pirates as amateur free agent. December 10, 1985: Drafted by White Sox from Pirates in rule 5 draft. July 23, 1986: Traded by White Sox to Pirates for Jose DeLeon.
Jose DeLeon was a pretty promising pitcher, but Bonilla was 23 years old, with a good first season under his belt in Chicago.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonilla in 2011 will start earning about 1.5 million per year until 2035.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 19, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s 1.1, either way the math on that doesn’t feel right for the Mets.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to remember, there’s like 30 years of interest on that.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, its just funny to think that 1.1 million for the next 25 years was more intriguing to the Mets than paying his final year salary of 5.5 million.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming a constant inflation rate of 3% since the Mets bought out his contract in 1999, I think the value of his 2011-2035 contract is something like $14.6M in ’99 value – considerably more than his $5.9M ’99 salary.
by APV on Oct 19, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t Fryman involved in some special tutoring for Jhonny and Marte? Helping them at their defensive positions? I vaguely recall (possibly incorrectly) his being brought in to assist a young player in spring training. If true, this would bode well for Marte.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby V looks like a guy I bought a car from. I’m just not crazy about him. But I’m not crazy about anyone. I don’t even know enough about about the styles of the other candidates.
But hey, let’s get to know Bobby’s Way.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gonna be honest, disappointed if those are the 3 finalists.
by ASP on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoynes isn’t saying those are the 3 finalists, only that they are three names among the unknown number of finalists
by APV on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think one of you is going to have to change his name. I just assumed APV was talking to himself again.
by Chemo on Oct 19, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If those are the 3 finalists, then Acta is the obvious winner.
by elsandito on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoynes isn’t saying those are the 3 finalists, only that they are three names among the unknown number of finalists
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s an old corporate ploy where they float a trial balloon. In this case, the trial balloon contains 3 choices. 2 of those choices have very obvious limitations associated to them. The audience draws the obvious conclusion as to the best choice. Then, when the choice is Acta, the audience is more likely to accept it by thinking the alternatives were less deserving. It circumvents a lot of the “why didn’t we hire Omar” questions.
by elsandito on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i use this ploy with my wife constantly.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Fryman? I liked and admired him as a player…he was a classy guy. But if you pick from inside the organization and pass over Lovullo to grab Fryman, why not consider Sarbaugh instead? He’s had a superb record at every level he’s managed.
I know it’s important to fill the job as early as possible, but there are some good coaches on teams still in the playoffs that might be better choices than the three mentioned above. Why not wait until the W.S. is over to interview? Come on, we’re not going to contend in 2010. What’s the hurry?
If you believe it's just a game, you're also probably wondering why Santa keeps skipping your house every year.
by LeftyCatcher on Oct 19, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know they interview these people, right? It’snot like they just picked Fryman to pass over Lovullo or Sarbaugh, willy nilly.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarbaugh screwed up in the interview when he couldn’t enumerate Mark Shapiro’s 12 Rules to Success. And he didn’t recite the mission statement with confidence.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. My guess with Sarbaugh is that he would be better suited with the development of minor leaguers, and thus they want to keep him where he is.
by MooneysRebellion on Oct 19, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I think I mentioned “interview” in my post. Why are you asking if I know that?
If you believe it's just a game, you're also probably wondering why Santa keeps skipping your house every year.
by LeftyCatcher on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it’s easy to assume that if two men go into an interview and one comes out favored over the other, the interview probably had something to do with it. You’re asking why Fryman is favored over others in the system, and I’m speculating that he gave an impressive interview.
Your question was almost rhetorical, just like most of our discussions during the managerial search. We’ll never know what was said or what kind of opinions were formed during the research and interview process, only who came out on top.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of Fryman somewhere on the staff, though not necessarily as manager. I also wonder why you never hear Sarbaugh’s name. Of the coaches in our minor league system, he seems far and away to have had the most success.
by APV on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, too close to dog paw. Shapiro is a cat person.
by APV on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoynes: Why did you pass on Sarbaugh?
Shapiro, slowly and really loud:
WELL, PAUL, WE DIDN’T WANT TO MAKE CLEVELAND FANS THINK OF BALTIMORE
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they expect he (as manager) will be working with Chisenhall at 3b very soon, and they like how he helped him along so far? But with a line of reasoning like that, perhaps the new manager should hire Fryman as a coach.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems odd to hire a manager based on one player (nobody say Ichiro).
If in fact Fryman gets passed over, I don’t mind him becoming a coach provided he’s qualified. Is there a history of men interviewing for a manager’s job and being asked to fill in as part of the winner’s coaching staff? Or them accepting? I usually don’t follow the process that closely. I don’t think anyone who interviewed in Seattle last year became part of the staff, and that’s as far as I can remember.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right in front of me. Snap.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who hired the Lone Gunmen.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one’s gonna really be free until nerd persecution ends.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My neighbor looks exactly like Robert Carradine. It’s uncanny.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember back in the summer I was totally calling for bobby valentine. So now I hope he becomes manager.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too funny. one of this nick question IGMLFW back then, too.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the link below. when legs for wegz brought this up “back in the summer” you questioned him then as well.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I didn’t understand what IGMLFW stood for. Got it.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a damn sloppy post beyond that though
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping for Davey Johnson. But in order I’d like to see:
1. Valentine
2. Acta
3. Fryman
With Valentine and Acta pretty close and Fryman way behind. I’m surprised he’s even on the short list.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m really not doing this to be an antagonist, I just really don’t know what’s so appealing about Valentine. I really can’t understand why someone would have Acta and Valentine so closely at the top of their list. They seem to be such opposite personalities. Can anyone who favors Valentine above the rest please explain it to me? I’m open to changing my mind.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying they have a different job in mind for Valentine?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, having a manager/chief (or chief/manager) would have to save money somehow.
Manager Wahoo or Chief Valentine? I can’t decide.
by JimmyAB on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine is the next step in the gradual disappearance of Chief Wahoo.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chief Wahwho?
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t say “LOL” unless you are actually laughing out loud while typing, and then say “Legit LOL”. Text-speak = bad.
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it was a ‘Legit-LOL,’ but what exactly does “text-speak = bad” mean? We are speaking here with text aren’t we?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know. The language of 16-year-old girls.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do 16-year-old girls also write LOTI?
And did they actually invent the internet, or did Gore?
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t ever want to see another “Gore invented the Internet” joke ever again.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like “snopes” is grasping for straws, and true or not, it’s way too late for this joke/reference to ever be repealed…
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the way he phrased it makes the joke funny regardless of the actual facts behind his statement.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s funny irrespective of who the target of the joke is, but that is just me.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOTI is ironic. I’m a hipster that way.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On any forum, there is an inverse relationship between the frequency of “LOL” and the quality of the discussion. By strongly discouraging the use of standardized moronic memes, we keep the quality of discussions higher.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometime, I’ll explain online group dynamics to you over a few whiskeys — old man.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anytime after three a.m. on Division Street, captain.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“usage of standardized moronic memes on a forum” is an idiot stat.
Is this the whale section?
by sarcasmdave on Oct 20, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 20, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you two are entitled to your opinion on that, of course.
Now then, could you please send me the link to the internet forum that you moderate, which exhibits outstanding quality of intelligent discourse?
I’ll wait.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C’mon Jay! It’s sarcasmdave! I will chalk this egregious oversight up to a 433am post.
by gte619n on Oct 20, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the bad joke, Jay. I swear it sounded funny last night after drinks.
I think what I was going for is that using “LOL” is like using AVG, RBI, etc. It doesn’t make the user an idiot, but if everyone does it, we end up with bad baseball discussion.
Is this the whale section?
by sarcasmdave on Oct 20, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s actually a pretty good joke, if you ask me.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine has an overall winning record as a manager, is very experience and not quite too old (I think he’s 59). Acta just seems like a smart dude, I’m not going to look for them but I seem to remember him giving quotes that sound promising.
And yes, I know that manager’s winning percentage doesn’t mean much and hiring retreads sort of sucks and all that. But I’d rather have one of those two guys than a pretty inexperienced Fryman.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only beef with this is that every great manager was inexperienced at some point, and this team isn’t going anywhere next year. I’m not pushing for someone wet behind the ears, I just don’t place too much emphasis on experience.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I normally agree and would rather an inexperienced guy. That’s the trend in the NFL that sort of started with the Steelers grabbing Mike Tomlin and having success after doing the same thing with Cowher and Noll.
But I just like Valentine, I think he’s been exposed to plenty of situations and different types of players and teams, especially since he’s been in Japan. And Acta, I’m pretty sure, has claimed to read Baseball Prospectus and other such things that make me think like he knows what he’s doing.
And with this team, I don’t know that they are in total rebuilding mode (well if they had held onto Lee, maybe they wouldn’t be), so I don’t want to go with a young inexperienced manager that grows with the team, ala Wedge, I want something different.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valentine would bum me out. I was in NYC when he was managing the Mets and his self-love and need for attention is really, really exhausting. He’s no dummy so if he does get hired, hopefully he’s grown up.
by stuart dean on Oct 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it really out of the question that he’s matured, or that he would behave differently in a Mark Shapiro organization than he did in a Steve Phillips organization?
For that matter, why do we excuse Acta for that Nats’ poor performance, but we don’t excuse Valentine for only getting one playoff appearance with Phillips as the GM?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh lord… I forgot about the Phillips connection.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it matters, I don’t care about either’s won-loss record.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh brother
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I’m not saying I prefer an inexperienced guy. I don’t think I care about experience.
That’s the trend in the NFL
We have got to start banning all these NFL references.
And Acta, I’m pretty sure, has claimed to read Baseball Prospectus and other such things that make me think like he knows what he’s doing.
This made me LOTI.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just what this site needs, more things we can’t talk about, like general hiring trends in other sports as it pertains to this managerial search.
And I don’t understand 1. what LOTI stands for, and what about the last quote makes you do it.
But, back on topic, why do you want Fryman more than the other two guys?
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t. My general approach to this process is to be cautious and skeptical regarding any name that comes up until I get a better handle on what they would actually do for this team.
LOTI is Laughing On The Inside. Geeze, just because I made it up on the spot without any preceding explanation isn’t an excuse for not understanding it.
I love football. But this is not a football site, and bringing up football leads to long subthreads about football. Also! The structures of the two sports are incredibly different. We can’t necessarily apply something that works in football to baseball.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Acta, I’m pretty sure, has claimed to read Baseball Prospectus and other such things that make me think like he knows what he’s doing.
Having a take is okay but have defensible reasons for them. The above is only a half skip and a jump away from choosing a manager based upon what his favorite action figures may be.
by stuart dean on Oct 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in reply to Nick – poor placement…
by stuart dean on Oct 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Content deleted, here.
Language, please.
by afh4 on Oct 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it was a suggestion of where proper placement might be found.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Awesome.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s wrong with liking a manager because he’s claimed to read BP? That’s certainly relevant to baseball, so I don’t get your “action figure” analogy.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In reality, Manny Acta is a total stat-nerd manager and we would likely all swoon for him after a couple of pressers.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why he’s my favorite of the three here. And I know it’s a purely emotional thing.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that interview and didn’t get an impression of his being overly obsessed with stats. Aware of them, of course, but not much more.
Where did he claim to read BP?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SB: What’s your favorite blog?
MA: Squawking Baseball, of course. I read Baseball Prospectus a lot too. Will Carroll writes some of my favorite stuff. I also loved Mind Game.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another article where he says smart things about stats.
Stealing: “We will run selectively. I think one of the things that doomed this club last year is that they were first in caught stealing. I am not going to be running all over the place just because 25,000 people in the stands are saying I am aggressive while people are getting thrown out on the bases. Not everybody will have a green light here. The guys who are going to run are the guys who are going to prove to me that they will be successful most of the time trying to steal a base.”
Bunting: "It’s been proven to me that a guy at first base with no outs has a better chance to score than a guy at second base with one out. That has been proven to me with millions of at-bats. I don’t like moving guys over from first to second unless the pitcher is up or it is real late in the game.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that as basic grasp of stats. Which is really good, don’t get me wrong.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s something else from Castrovince.
Two things about Acta that might appeal to the Indians: he’s a statistically minded manager who does not shy away from discussing and applying sabermetrics, and he’s a bilingual Dominican native who can develop a good relationship with Latin players.
Hire Manny!
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems insane that anyone desiring to be a big league manager isn’t Rosetta Stone-ing nicely to pick up Spanish.
It’s really not that hard and it has to be a huge help.
by afh4 on Oct 19, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve never rosetta stone’d because i’m rude.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was because you seem like you havnt mastered english yet
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well add that he’s got a killer smile. Sold!
by joeee on Oct 19, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having a Latin manager would be a great plus, considering many of the Tribe’s misterioso players are Latins. Wouldn’t this help Jhonny, Fausto, Marte, Rafael, Valbuena, Santana, Rondon, etc.?
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gammons once said “Manny Acta is a sabermetrics student and the only manager who ever dropped a VORP on me.” Of course, Gammons followed that up with “he has the worst team in baseball,” making the point that the SABR-happy teams weren’t doing that well in 2008.
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SABR-happy teams stunk up the jernt in ’09, too.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does someone have this list?
or is this just what people say when oakland doesn’t make the playoffs?
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it’s worth, the context of that discussion (in 2008) included Washington, Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Toronto, San Diego, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Boston and Arizona.
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to believe that KC is SABRmetric, and as proof I give you Yuniesky Betancourt and Jose Guillen.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t buy it, and don’t endorse the rest of that list either.
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, including KC in that list is pretty silly. I’ll bet Rob Neyer and Rany Jazeryli and Joe Posnanski would have a thing or two to say about that.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s becoming increasingly clear that SABR-happy is a euphemism for poor and/or bad.
by jakesinger777 on Oct 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of CLE, OAK, and TB.
I can’t count BOS, because they fling too much cash around.
I don’t know anything about how ARI is building their team, but they sucked.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 19, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using advanced statistics and having lots of cash are not mutually exclusive.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werd. But any team that thinks Smoltzie can thrive in the AL East needs to re-crunch their numbers.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 20, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering how cheap they signed him for, it wasn’t a big risk. I certainly don’t think it was un-SABRmetric.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 20, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dropped a VORP on me
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It still darkens my heart that this would be revolutionary in the world of managers.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s revolutionary, but there are still reactionaries out there. Anyway, we were never going to hire one. The real story here is only that Acta is confident enough about his point of view that he doesn’t mind goin gon the record about it.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just pointing out a trend in a different sport and explaining that normally I’m a big fan of hiring new people instead of retreads. I don’t think it was over the line or anything.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it was either, you’re just unlucky to come on the tail of a rash of NFL references.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and NFL rashes. have the browns stopped giving everyone mersa yet?
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
solid infectious disease reference here.
Also, I missed the memo where H1N1 is referred to as “hiney”, but it’s happening.
by supermarioelia on Oct 19, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the memo where they rebranded it from the Swine Flu.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great point. And why not give an inexperienced guy a freebie year to get experience next year. The year is essentially a lost cause anyway. Let an inexperienced guy take his lumps with the rest of the team.
by MooneysRebellion on Oct 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes some sense. Truth is, you don’t entirely find out in a non-contending year what a manager will be like in a contending year. I don’t think Wedge aggravated anyone much in 2003 and 2004.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good reason for hiring Omar as a seat-warmer.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come when i suggest this everyone treats me as a moron, but the second someone older says it it becomes acceptable?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking about Omar being an off-the-wall suggestion when I read it in the Plain Dealer.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry, martyrdom is the first step towards sainthood.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction: Martedom is the first step toward sainthood.
by gte619n on Oct 20, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Nice.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 20, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me a few seconds but I see what you did there.
Resident Take the Football References One Step Too Far Guy
by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Marte ever gets released, this better become the banner for LGFT.com
by supermarioelia on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My list, if these are the three options we have, is exactly the opposite.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 19, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FRYMAN!
AhhhAHHHH!
CHAMPION OF THE NIGHT MAN!
AhhhhAHHHH!
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This will spawn many photoshops if it happens.
by JRontherim on Oct 19, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best reason to hire any manager yet, as far as I’m concerned.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Master of karate and friendship…
by Chief WaDrew on Oct 20, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be “fighter of the Night Man,” by the way.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Acta? The guy lost 200+ games with the Nationals what makes you believe that he will win more with another horrible team. I could see if he was going to New York where at least they have talent, but come on, we are talking about Cleveland, The CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that last little bit necessary?
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is thatlast little bitnecessary?
fixed.
by JimmyAB on Oct 19, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like I should reply to this, but I’m not sure it’s worth the effort.
by JRontherim on Oct 19, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy, the reason the Nationals lost all those games is because they suck. Not because they had a bad manager.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Bowden.
All the reason you need to prove why the Nationals sucked.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
And even this year, when we finished 20 wins short of expectations, we still had six more wins than the Nationals.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason teams suck is hardly ever because of the manager. However, there is always a scapegoat. So you tell me why we would hire another teams scapegoat?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD WE’RE HIRING JIM BOWDEN?
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 19, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d hire him because he’s a good manager. A scapegoat isn’t the cause of bad fortune. It just takes the blame for it. See Leviticus 16:8.
Scapegoat: a goat upon whose head are symbolically placed the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony for Yom Kippur
2 a : one that bears the blame for others b : one that is the object of irrational hostility
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did i say scapegoat meant the cause of bad fortune? I said someone always has to be the scapegoat or someone who they can blame it on, regardless of if it is there fault or not.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the reason teams suck aren’t always because of the manager, and that a manager isn’t always the cause of “bad fortune” then what does it matter if the person hired was fired from another managing position? By that logic it probably wasn’t his fault and there shouldn’t be any harm in taking a shot.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if he sucked due to the personel situation, how is cleveland going to make it any better. Are our players that much better than Washington’s?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the Indians have better players. And also: The Nationals didn’t suck because of their manager. They sucked because the players weren’t very good.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus their GM made far worse decisions than Mark Shapiro ever did.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright this is a stupid argument. You win, I lose. Obviously all you have wanted from me was for me to admit defeat and stick my head back into a hole.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lighten up, Crazy. All we want is intelligent baseball talk.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the thing, even when i try to do that it turns into a 5 on 1 and i began to fight a losing battle.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like people want to attack you, you bring up your points, and we debate them with you. It’s how these things work
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got your back. But maybe it’s not you, it’s your arguments.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but look at how you started the conversation…
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, i know i was dogging the indians but it isn’t exactly the best time to feel good about them.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It had nothing to do with dogging the Indians. It was just bad logic. By your argument, why should we hire any manager, ever, at all?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our players continue to stink, I don’t think anyone is expecting that a “lucky miracle manager” is going to come in and somehow win with them despite their continuing failure as players. Nobody expects Manny Acta, Valentine, Fryman, or even Omar, to come in and win 100 games with a subpar Nationals-esque roster. We are not pointing out names of possible miracle-workers.
What we ARE expecting is that over the next few years, the current players will improve/develop, the roster will improve from trades, from within (minors prospects), from drafting, perhaps from signing free agent, etc and the new manager will be a good man to help this process along (that of helping develop the players/prospects), and then be in a position to win with an improved team and more competitive roster in a few years if all goes well. So we are naming names of people who perhaps might be good at doing this and know what they are doing as managers.
There’s not much science to it, but experience could be a big factor, and that certainly separates Acta from Omar, who’s never managed before.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 20, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All right, enough Nationals comparisons. This season was a disaster, but come on, the situation isn’t that bad.
by cleveland teamer on Oct 20, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t “comparing with the Nationals,” I was trying to clarify for Cleveland Crazy29 why people took issue with his/her comment and why I (and likely others) do not agree that Omar is a better candidate than Acta. As much as I agree with those who disagreed with CCrazy29, it’s clear that CCrazy29 needed some explanation, and it wasn’t being provided. This was supposed to be helpful.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 20, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said “why hire another team’s scapegoat?” – This question only makes logical sense if the asker is assuming that there is something wrong (or, to blame) about the other team’s scapegoat. If not… Then why NOT hire another team’s scapegoat? He hasn’t been blamed for anything in Cleveland (yet)…
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 20, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the Indians decided to fire Wedge on Yom Kippur, as it happens.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
because scapegoats are undervalued right now.
You are reading my signature.
by rolub on Oct 19, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
positional value.
Is this the whale section?
by sarcasmdave on Oct 20, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do i want to even ask why my post got deleted? Is this not the site where “personal opinions” count. It appears to me this site is becoming a social hierarchy where the stronger guys opinions get considered but the weak get stomped. Deleting my question was un-called for.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you’re talking about. Your user account shows no sign of a comment being deleted today. It may be that it was deleted “downstream” — if we delete one comment, all the replies also get deleted automatically, we have no choice in the matter. So if you reply to a comment with profanity in it, for example, odds are it will end up being deleted.
Or maybe it just didn’t post properly?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also! This is more like the site where “good ideas or insights backed up by facts” count.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was the white flag thing, it was downstream of somebody cursing. Sorry.
by afh4 on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was me. I accidentally said sh**. Although I was told I had a stick up my ass in a previous thread. I thought it would be OK.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, if we can’t use a-s-s, how could we ever talk about the current opponents of the Angels?
by FredOx on Oct 20, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, pee hi ess ess ed?
That’s bad?
by gte619n on Oct 20, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooooooooh
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 20, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we pick the manager based on anagrams: Firm Navy Rats, Cayman Tan or Evil Baby Bonnet?
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t even a contest.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not including Tangy Old Mint?
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t feel this was worth it’s own fanshot, and since this is about the next possible manager I wanted to pass this along
On Castrovince’s newest Q&A
Q: Why not bring back Hargrove to help train the many new players and bring in Alomar and Vizquel as new coaches?
Castro’s answer – I’ve got a better idea. Seek out a copy of the “1997 Indians: A Cleveland Sock-cess Story” DVD, pop it in and live out your nostalgia in the comfort of your own home. Just don’t kill your feel-good vibe by watching the last 15 minutes. Unless, that is, you find a director’s cut with an alternate ending.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously. This is the crux of the Hargrove/Vizquel argument:
I have only ever heard of and recognize about three dozen names in the history of baseball, and since for me as a Clevelander the period after 1994 was when it became cool to watch baseball, why don’t we hire the only person/people I can think of that aren’t currently part of the organization?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 19, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve actually grown to resent that era now…
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just rename the team the Cleveland Omars, let Omar be the player/manager/GM/coach/trainer/PR flack/beat reporter/organist/PA announcer and be done with it.
by FredOx on Oct 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will say, though, i hate to play into this game, but i do think robbie alomar would make a great coach of some kind.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I mean there are former/current players who would be excellent managers, but the criteria used to determine that should be more substantial than ‘he was on _ team that we love’.
by jakesinger777 on Oct 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am honestly shocked at this, from you. Robbie, with the head-first slides, with the appeals to scorer’s decisions, with the bitchy attitudes? If I had to pick a former Indian to be our next manager, he wouldn’t be in my top 100 choices. If I had to pick a former Indian to watch play a single game in his prime, he’d be first on my list.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
coach of some kind
he struck me as one of those players who saw things in the game in a way others don’t. i always remember in ‘the comeback’ game when he was explaining to lofton something he saw about his hands in his swing…
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in case that wasn’t clear. he’s not a guy i’d want in charge, but a guy i’d like around.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE?
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEDROOM?
Tom Wilkinson is pretty badass in that movie, BTW.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 19, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WITH?
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, the way he bunted (and slid head first) every time there was a man on first with no outs. If he got out and moved the runner over (what usually happened) he got a sacrifice with no effect on the BA, but if he reached safely he got a free base hit.
by madherb on Oct 19, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he did this “every time,” I think he’d have a hell of a lot more than 54 career sac-bunts with only a man on first base.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, should have said “often”. He and Omar.
by madherb on Oct 19, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t make me all nostalgic thinking about them together (in the middle of an infield).
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to pick a former Indian to be our next manager, he wouldn’t be in my top 100 choices.
I’d like to see your 98, 99 and 100. George Hendrick should be on that list.
If I had to pick a former Indian to watch play a single game in his prime, he’d be first on my list.
Joe Jackson. The shoeless one, not the chinless one.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just thinking of ones I’d actually seen before. Never enjoyed watching any player as much as Robbie. Having said that, he seems like an immature jerk.
All-time, Joe Jackson is a great pick, but maybe I’d go with Tris Speaker, or maybe Herb Score’s rookie year.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, this blows my mind.
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s another for the heck of it
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks so young.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 19, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part of that is the MLBers sitting in the dugout three deep. It’s like a clown car.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 19, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jeremy Sowers makes a good pitching coach right now.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Frankly, I don’t know what the hell you should do in this situation. Throw a fastball, and he hits it in the seats. Throw a curve, he hits it to rightfield. Try nibbling. The worst thing that can happen there is a walk.”
by odradek on Oct 20, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fantastic — I wish Hoynes would have given that response to the question I posted above.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Hoynes did give a good response, and one that was more to the point.
Yes, it’s fun to insult the asker of a dumb question, but it’s more productive to specify why it’s a bad idea.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know. But it would have been funny and extremely unlike Hoynes.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to say that I have any clue what is being discussed, but it is possible that hiring Valentine would give the Tribe some sort of leg up in negotiations with future Japanese free agents. Everything I’ve read indicates that he is beloved over there.
by jakesinger777 on Oct 19, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Pat Corrales!!!
Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic. - Robert S. Wieder
by jerseywahoo on Oct 19, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Already gearing up for the deriding of Acta as a stat nerd.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how the heck is he going to coach away games from his mother’s basement? does “the internet” have that kind of range?
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you’ll get a lot of different answers to that question depending on which scientist / community leader you consult.
by joeee on Oct 19, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with Acta.
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by mjschaefer on Oct 19, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then we can all refer to the mysterious ACTA FACTA!
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 19, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh oh win. Someone phone up Shapiro and tell him we’ve solved his problem.
by Voltaire on Oct 19, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he screws up we can say FACTA ACTA!!!
by fg28 on Oct 20, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here’s something stupid. i don’t want someone like valentine to get all the credit if we get good again fast. i blame espn for this.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t care who gets the credit as long as the Indians are good again.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. That would be a very minor annoyance.
In fact, let’s not kid ourselves, if this happened, we’d find ways to credit Valentine, too.
And who knows, maybe Valentine actually would help. Big shocker that would be.
He ain’t Wedge, we already know that, I think.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I felt saying it was stupid implied that it was not a real concern. Annoyance is a gooder word. I think it can be assumed we all want to win whether a guy has a real or a fake mustache, regardless of which we prefer.
by Brick. on Oct 19, 2009 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
HIRE OZZIE
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BP recently had an article about Scioscia in which they cited his (consistent) wins above Pythagoras as evidence of his managerial acumen. If this is valid, the simple act of removing Wedge is good for four or five games in the win column.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So … how about that Cliff Lee?
Damn shame we never got to the postseason with THAT guy in the rotation. Wow.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we subbed in Cliff Lee’s ‘08 or ’09 in place of CC’s ’07, what kind of discussion do you think we would be having at the moment…
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or just substitute one CC 2009 playoff performance for one 2007 CC playoff performance. I’m pretty sure we’d be saying we don’t mind the Indians sucking this year because they won the WS in 2007.
by Cols714 on Oct 19, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We actually were 2–1 in C.C.’s starts, but with little help from C.C. himself. Insert “knows how to win” joke here.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think that he grinded through the tough spots.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a related note, the following appeared in my inbox today. I am also sorry, StubHub. You have no idea the level of confusion that I suffered.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I think I saw StubHub and just deleted it given then current sports situation, I can’t seem to find it unfortunately.
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by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got the same message regarding Tigers tickets. Weird.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you want to sit?
Hey Jay,
Be there alongside your Detroit Tigers as they chase baseball immortality. Go to StubHub, where you’ll find a fantastic selection of tickets to every playoff game – so you experience the championship chase live and in person. Check it out. Go to StubHub and get the seats you want today.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bwaahahahahahah … those suckers blew it on the FINAL DAY OF THE SEASON ahahahahahha.
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that anyone cares, but the reason I got that was because I bought 10 tickets to an Indians @ Tigers game on StubHub last season.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to defend yourself to us, Jay. And for the record I found my original email as well, identical to yours. I wonder if it went out for all teams? If hiring Manny Acta as manager is baseball immortality, then do I need to purchase a ticket to witness it?
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 20, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
StubHub offers tix for Mets, others
Associated Press
NEW YORK — Hey, Mets fans, that awful season was just a bad dream — if you believe StubHub.The company sent an e-mail Monday offering tickets for Mets’ playoff games.
….
StubHub said e-mails were sent to fans promoting several teams not in the postseason.
“This was due to an e-mail glitch,” spokeswoman Joellen Ferrer said in a statement. “We regret the error and apologize for any inconvenience or confusion this may have caused. Follow-up e-mails will be sent to every person that received the e-mail, notifying them of the error on our part. In no way does this affect any transactions that have taken place on StubHub.”
…
Ferrer said similar e-mails also were sent to Cubs fans. She was not sure of the identity of other teams whose supporters received e-mails.
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by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE STANDINGS LIE!
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by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I was walking past Wrigley Field last night, I noticed the lights were on, and something was going on inside. All I could hear though, was the sound of an organ playing. Either the Cubs are playing or U2 is in town, I thought.
by odradek on Oct 20, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was just wilson, talking to his dead girlfriend.
by Brick. on Oct 20, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn’t really mean it in my own defense, more just explaining that their sending me a Tigers promo in particular wasn’t a totally random malfunction.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, gotchya. I was gonna say, if there’s one person who wouldn’t need to defend getting a Tigers related email, it would be you.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 20, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so, maybe not. The main point is that I really don’t care.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I remembering 2007 wrong? I thought we were 1-2 in CC’s starts as he lost both starts against Beckett. He did get the win against NYY though, courtesy of being less awful than Wang.
by LondonTribe on Oct 19, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad. I momentarily mis-remembered that we won ALCS Game 1. It was of course Carmona’s Game 2 trainwreck, not Sabathia’s Game 1 trainwreck, that we somehow won anyway.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had this saaaame thought watching the 10k highlights on mlb.com last night.
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by westbrook on Oct 19, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally off topic here, but do you think the Indians would consider bringing Omar back as a way to possibly boost revenue?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look further up the thread. In a word, “No”.
by stuart dean on Oct 19, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s to coach or manage.
To play? Maybe they would. I don’t know how many folks will buy tickets to see Omar bunt as a pinch-hitter, but who knows?
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think about it though, besides the rookies, who exactly are the fans going to be excited to watch?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, my guess is most fans are looking forward to having new reasons to bash on Mark Shapiro and Mr Burns, and petition to have the new manager fired for not being Eric Wedge….er, whoever.
Myself I’m interested in seeing how Masterson, Laffey, and Huff either progress or regress as starting pitchers, how Westbrook will perform upon returning to the rotation, and just what the baseball wizards have in store for Fausto Carmona. Looking forward to having a healthy Grady Sizemore, anchored by Choo and possibly Michael Brantley. The eventual promotion of Carlos Santana…..I can honestly keep going, but I wont.
Plus I have a new found love for minor league baseball as the Clippers are only about a 45 minute drive from me
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not, most tickets are sold to people who are simply excited to go to a baseball game. The team’s reputation is secondary, fan promotions are tertiary, and individual player “attractions” are way, way down on the list.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In no way was i trying to sound like i went for the individual player " attractions", however many people do and i know from first hand experience that many people are not renewing season tickets due to the fact there is nothing to look forward to.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people are not renewing season tickets due to the fact there is nothing to look forward to.
But that also has nothing to do with star players, right? That is just success oriented. You can argue that they may dependent variables to a degree, but they are different things.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completeley. I’m not suggesting that it’s due to star players. It is 100% success oriented but, i am suggesting that maybe if we brought Omar back it would give some fans a symbol of what used to be and bring a few more fans to the games. Thats all, nothing more, nothing less.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a PR move, it could make sense, but the payoff isn’t going to be as big as providing a winning team.
Outside of that, Omar doesn’t bring enough to the table for even just one million that would actually improve the club.
by GoTribe028 on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see it provide both, but we all know that isn’t happening!
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 19, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the sales folks would tell you with great confidence, the numbers don’t add up on making a move like that.
by Jay on Oct 19, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you’re going to get Omar at a minimum of what, a million a year?
How many season ticket packages is that? Even at Diamond Box that’s 200 packages. More realistically, it’s a thousand packages.
Do we think a thousand people are going to find 1,100 dollars to spend on Indians season tickets because Omar appears? And then more on top of that to make it profitable?
I think we can safely put this to bed.
by afh4 on Oct 19, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t you been calling for outside-the-box thinking? Sign Omar for a year. He won’t hurt at the box office. He surely can help younger players deal with the majors. If he’s at all successful—remember, there was a time when he wasn’t considered any better than Felix Fermin at shortstop—you keep him. He might be a disaster in the dugout. If he’s bad, then you have a PR problem in getting rid of him in 2011. But why not? That’s a rhetorical question because I know there are lots of reasons why not, but roll the dice. Maybe if he is a terrible manager it will help still this Cult of 1995.
If nothing else, hire Omar is unconventional thinking.
by odradek on Oct 19, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t find signing Omar particularly outside-the-box. I don’tt hink anyone would find it very interesting; everyone just thinks they would.
Now, make Omar the player-manager. I could get down for that.
by afh4 on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s genuinely interesting to many folks, just not in a way that would prompt them to buy tickets.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As player-manager, I meant. I agree with Jay that it won’t be a big marketing success.
by odradek on Oct 20, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were still talking about the player.
by afh4 on Oct 20, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess i falied to realize we weren’t in kindergarten anymore. You guys had me fooled with all this mocking going on. I gotta admit it used to be funny when I was 5.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 20, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry that i was disrespectful, but you at least try to be respectful to me? Whether i am 2 or 22 it shouldn’t matter, we are all human and we all make mistakes.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 20, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as i just did. but can you….
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 20, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly didn’t mean anything mean by it, it just became something fun. I’m happy to drop it now.
by Jay on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting that 22 is the high water mark of age in your mind
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by westbrook on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just crested the mountain, is this the beginning of the end?
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 21, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First day of work is the beginning of the end as far as I am concerned.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I’m still on the slow decline then.
/drinks
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by USSChoo on Oct 22, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just throwing numbers out there.
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 21, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where’s this feigned disrespect coming from?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 21, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were talking about just bringing him back as a player. There’s nothing particularly out-of-the-box about that.
Now, you want to argue that it’s moving the cheese, that I can get behind.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that this all of a sudden makes it worth it, but they’d probably do a good number on his jersey sales.
Also, what would happen to #13. DRAMA!
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 20, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, Omar being on the team impacts my likelihood to buy a Vizquel jersey not at all. It’s about .1% either way.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 20, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s you. Someone who is also probably more interested in the jersey of someone who will be on the team for the next 3-4 years, at least. The casual fan would be a different story, the one who that move would be supposedly geared towards. But like I said, not really supporting such a move for that cause.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 20, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again why can suggesting Omar being a positive financial man and be treated like I have 2 noses and 4 thumbs but someone other than me can suggest it and they are treated as anyone else in the blog?
by ClevelandCrazy29 on Oct 20, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I used my above points of interest as reasoning for why he should be brought back, I would also probably be fleeced.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 21, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CU Adam’s response about the 0.1% chance of buying a jersey wasn’t snotty enough for you?
by Jay on Oct 21, 2009 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re forgetting the revenues from the sales of his delicious salsa and art work. I believe the Indians get a 50/50 split.
by xrickx on Oct 20, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much did Griffey’s return help the Mariners this season? I’m guessing it was very little.
by Buckeye Brad on Oct 19, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite vociferous affection for Omar … the fans do not love him the way they love Griffey in Seattle. As a Mariner, Griffey was one of the best three or four players in the game for ten years in a row. We have not really had a guy quite like that, despite some HOF caliber players.
by Jay on Oct 20, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s this Sizemore fella.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that he and Droobs now that he’s at at SS would be 1-2 on the list of players to go see, if there were such a thing. Everytime Grady makes a diving grab when I’m at the game, I feel like I should owe more money.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Fryman but I can’t come up with the reason why. I’ll check back in when I can.
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by USSChoo on Oct 19, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny Acta thinks bunting is stupid, you know. Good enough reason to hire him, if you ask me.
by FredOx on Oct 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that’s like his golden quote.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 20, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely want to go outside the system, and don’t have much affinity for Bobby “Top Step” Valentine. Acta would be my pick as of now.
by mcrose on Oct 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With an infield of Peralt.a, Cabrer.a, Valbuen.a, LaPort.a and Santan.a, try to guess which managerial candidate would lead in the “can communicate effectively” competition?
by elsandito on Oct 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LaPorta?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 20, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m confused
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guillermo Mota?
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by westbrook on Oct 20, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be asking all the questions here “tyvm”.
by elsandito on Oct 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mattingly.a ? Valentin.a ? Ok, I give up.
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by V-Mart Shopper on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I noticed that Ryan and Jay are the managers of this blog, but why are APV and afh4 only listed as authors?
Shouldn’t APV be the scouting director and afh4 be the bullpen coach?
by talonk on Oct 20, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
please don’t try to pin the draft results on me
by APV on Oct 20, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might explain why some of the high risk picks of prep posters haven’t all panned out…
by Brick. on Oct 21, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This way Ryan and Jay have all the authority while delegating all the responsibility to APV and afh4.
by elsandito on Oct 20, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Step into my office…
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by USSChoo on Oct 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything went to hell when they got rid of you.
by odradek on Oct 21, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luis Isaac, is that you?
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by USSChoo on Oct 21, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you’d jump at this opportunity to make a Kangol hat your avatar.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 21, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a smear. I run a classy operation. Andrew was fired via video chat.
by Jay on Oct 21, 2009 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that you insisted I “mute” my mic. Very disrespectful.
by afh4 on Oct 21, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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