A Tale Of Two Indians
Well, if you didn't like those other pieces, you probably won't like this one either, but at least you can complain directly to the author.
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I especially like the point that’s made re: the Yankees having a lot of homegrown stars because they’re more able to resign them when they reach free agency. It’s not like they’ve got a ton of cheap young players or anything — Jeter may be a homegrown Yankee, but he’s still making $20 million this year.
*sigh*
Anger at a general manager who just announced the hiring of a manager who was cast away by the worst organization in the game.
I read this 3 times and can’t help but think it implies you’re angry at the hiring of Acta. Are you? Or is it a disguised dig at the fans who don’t like the hiring because of his W-L record?
You are reading my signature.
No, I’m not mad about it at all. The piece is already very long, so I didn’t have time to go in-depth into popular fan misconceptions. My first job to was to report the mood of the fan base, and I only really got to hint at the misconceptions.
Yes, nice piece Jay.
But good Lord, the first 6 or 7 comments are like they didn’t even read it. hell, one of them even admits to that.
You are reading my signature.
Wow. Now I know why I’m very selective about where I read comments. A few "high"lights:
Thomes, Ramerizs, Lees, Sabathas
Let’s play find the punctuation!
allot of people said that cc sabathia is allways bad in the post season but this year he did pretty good and he will still do good in game 1 of the world series and cliff lee is good also that was the perfect choice for the phillies and i hope cliff lee is playing against sabathia cause that would be awesome but i wonder why is the phillies not putting in cole hamels hes there #1 pitcher hamels is still good but i guess the phillies like cliff lee more now
That’s a lot of words. I just looked at the pictures.
Cleveland needs an owner who has the money to run the team.
And of course, a Yankees jackass
boo hoo, somebody get him a hankey.
uk jay levin….always agains the yankees
Apparently this dude is well versed in Jay’s writings.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
By far the best compliment I’ve gotten in a long time. The idea that my name is in some way associated in the culture with hating the Yankees … stop, I’m getting light-headed …
by Jay on Oct 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
This one was my favorite:
The yankees originally TRADED for Arod. And all of the players you list were already on other teams via trade or free agency before coming to the yankees. I get the point you’r trying to make but its misleading to say Johnny Damon came to the Yankees from the Royals, or Arod came from the Mariners…
No, I don’t think you do get the point he’s trying to make.
Still amazing when reading the comment section over there how people can assumingly read the article yet respond as if they only understand the pictures and the words are simply symbols or a nice background to project their misguided thoughts on. I guess it’s a testament to a successful education system to produce these adults (I’m going to assume) that can operate a computer yet lack the ability to comprehend what they read.
As i said on Facebook, Jay: phenomenal, and phenomenally depressing. This is like watching the ex girlfriend who you loved but cheated on you battle against the girl of your dreams that slipped away for the love of a totally different man. I hate this.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
like watching the ex girlfriend who you loved but cheated on you battle against the girl of your dreams that slipped away for the love of a totally different man
I really hope you are not speaking from experience
Not exactly…
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one really not on board with the “players as girlfriends” similes that are used so much around here?
They are both things that I love or have loved or whatever but the emotional investments are incredibly dissimilar, not necessarily in magnitude but certainly in kind.
by afh4 on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think we just have very different levels of emotional investment in sports, then.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure I understand what you’re getting at. I’m saying the analogy is apt for me because that’s how I feel, and I’m putting it out there because I thought others might agree. It’s fine if that’s not the way you feel, but what’s the harm in me expressing that?
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No, what you’ve said in your follow up is that one who agrees with this girlfriend analogy must necessarily care more about the Indians then one who doesn’t. I just don’t think that’s what follows logically. It’s certainly one possible explanation but there are thousands of others. Perhaps someone who doesn’t find it apt feels so because he has never had a girlfriend. Or perhaps one who does feel it’s apt has never had a really emotionally invested relationship.
Ah, my bad. Miscommunication. I should have said different “types” of emotional investments, not different levels. In no way did I mean to imply I’m more passionate about the Indians than you or anyone else, just that I tend to personalize it in a way that may or may not be healthy.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Women attend to my libidinous nature. Baseball speaks to my soul. They are different. One I can – and have – easily replace. The Indians I can’t.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Women attend to my libidinous nature
This is a nice sentiment. You should get it put on a charm bracelet or possibly crochet it onto a pillow.
by NickFantana on Oct 31, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a disturbing though, indeed, but that would be gratifying in the sense that someone who wronged you then had to resort to such a lowly profession. In this case, it’s more like someone wronged you and is instead rewarded with money and glory.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Should say “disturbing thought.”
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
who said there’s no money and glory in porn?
by Brick. on Oct 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is like watching the ex girlfriend who you loved but cheated on you battle against the girl of your dreams that slipped away for the love of a totally different man.
Invested much?
Pff. You don’t know me, Brad.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fascinating perspective, J-Levz. I just wish you would have thrown in Clifton’s middle name, somehow.
The DiaTriber and I find it fascinating.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s on with nicknames more often than he’s off.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, try this on for size…“The Sultan of the Swamp” for LaPorta. He went to Florida, get it?
By the way, absolutely terrific piece Jay.
If you haven’t seen JoePos’ piece on the topic, it is also worth your time.
by The DiaTriber on Oct 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell. If you and Jay and JoePos are all going to write about it, now I have to read them.
Steel Nick
Thanks, Jay. Very well put together and pretty much sums up how a whole lot of us feel about these matters.
I would forward your piece to all my more reasonable friends who are Yankees fans, but I doubt they would read it. They don’t want to know and, frankly, they have no reason to care.
Thanks, again.
Reasonable Yankees fans? Is this not an oxymoron?
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be far easier to paint it as a black and white scenario but there are, in fact, fans of the Yankees who are intelligent, reasoned individuals with a love for baseball in general. However, that love of the game becomes consumed by the lust of the fan. Especially come post season. The blinders are put on.
I can’t wholly blame them for taking satisfaction in seeing their home team succeed. I just wish there were more moments when they admitted that their relationship with the Yankees of the last 10 years is built upon … how did Jay put it? “On the field, [the Yankees] were a club that started every inning on third base, and in the stands, their fans thought they’d hit a triple.”
They may be delusional, but they are still friends.
Very few diehard Yankees fans are decent people.
Decent people who root for the Yankees tend to float off into two groups. The first group is diehard baseball fans, so that their diehard nature ends up getting spread out over the whole sport, even though the Yankees remain their primary rooting interest. The second group simply stop being diehard fans, becoming more like zempf rooting for the Phillies, because it’s hard for a decent person to be diehard Yankees fan, understanding the unfair advantages they use to gain on-field success.
I would say you are vastly overstating the relationship between being a decent person and maintaining one’s sports allegiances.
I agree in principal to your parceling of “decent” Yankees fans but think we probably disagree on the numbers involved. It has been my experience in living in NYC for over a decade that there are far more decent fans in NY than most of us here at LGT would care to admit. It’s just simpler to view NY as a vast wasteland of blow hard, overly privileged and spoiled jerks.
If the Yankees fortunes became the Indians fortunes (not just today but in a historical sense) would that preclude us from being able to remain true fans of our team?
I’ve wanted to punch NYY friends in the face for their maddening denial of how advantaged the Yankees are..it can be infuriating, no denying… but I’m a decent person and at the end of every game (or at least every season) so are they.
I don’t think it’s really a point to argue on. Hopefully we will be able to watch CC finally implode and Cliff shine…and when the Yankees go on to get swept, take some dismal satisfaction in that our best, on both sides, helped the lesser of two evils prevail.
Oh, Joy.
And now I’m going to put on my Indians cap, walk across the street to my local, have a few beers while watching the game, and suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
I was at an NJ bar with some Yankee fan friends for the midge game. Literally almost got my ass kicked for wearing my Sizemore jersey (by other Yankee fans). Also, I attended the thrashing the Indians gave this year to the Yankees in the second game ever at the new Yankee Stadium. So I can’t fault the Yankees too much considering they probably gave me 2 of my top 3 sport memories of my life.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
I agree with you 100%. Generally, the Yankee hatred goes way too far here. At the end of the day, it’s just a game.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
Hey, it’s me. I’ve actually been giving a lot of thought to this lately, so here’s a blog post-worthy rumination a bit:
I have vague memories of going to Indians games at Municipal Stadium back in the late 80’s with my tee-ball team. I remember having crappy cheap seats, I remember rooting for Cory Snyder, I remember there not being a whole lot of other people there. Flash forward a few years, I have much clearer memories of going to a bunch of games at the Jake in the mid-90’s as a teenager, sitting in my grandfather’s seats in section 555, watching Belle, Baerga, Lofton, Nagy. I moved to Columbus for school in ’99 or so but still followed the team, always making the drive up to go to a game once or twice a year & watching as many games as I could on STO.
Katie & I moved out to Philadelphia in May of 2006 and despite not having cable I jury-rigged some horrible setup broadcasting from mlb.tv on my computer to the living room so I could keep watching games, albeit slightly pixellated. When we moved into our house & got cable installed, I dropped the money to get the Extra Innings package so I could keep watching the Tribe, and I lived and died (mostly died) watching them in the 2007 season, the midge game, Garko pounding beers with Blake, all that fun stuff. 2008 rolled around, and hopes were high, but obviously the Tribe got off to their patented slow start. Even after Sabathia & Blake got traded, though, it was still interesting to watch Wedge’s usual second-half tear & watch Cliff Lee cruise to the Cy Young.
Meanwhile, in 2008 the Phillies were pretty good — I only went to one game, but it wasn’t possible to escape playoff hysteria around here, and what do you know? It’s pretty damn fun to see a team win the World Series and go to the parade. So early this year, I bought partial season tickets to the Phillies, though I think I actually watched more early-season Indians games on TV than Phillies games because I still believed. Well, that didn’t get me too far – not only did Lee & Martinez (and Betancourt & Garko & Francisco) get traded, but the Tribe had all the markings of a team that mailed it in the last half of the season. Meanwhile the Phillies were cruising to an NL East title, and here we are today.
I think in my heart, I just love baseball — when I travel, I try to see a game at the local stadium because it’s just a great game no matter who’s playing, whether it’s Diamondbacks & Padres in San Diego or Astros & Cardinals in St. Louis. Am I still an Indians fan? Most definitely. I know they’re coming to Philadelphia next year, and I am honestly debating which hat I’ll wear to the games (maybe my block C hat for the odd innings?). At the same time, it gets a little rough to be told “this is the year” so many times and have it turn out that, no, this is not the year (..again). I’d like to think that being a Phillies fan does not preclude being an Indians fan, but I would definitely say my level of fandom has died off, which I do feel.. well, I’m not sure what I feel. Bad? I guess, but I don’t know who I feel like I’m apologizing to, or for what.
*sigh*
Honestly this disgusts me – it’s just bad for my (our) morale. Indians fans don’t jump to WS teams. This is like a friend coming back from a few months in a commune, prattling on about how much easier things are now.
MIke, I don’t know how to tell you this, but you’re kind of just coming off as a front-running douchebag.
I’ve been indulging in rooting for the Phillies this year. I tried to last year, but it was tough. Then I started to get into it, and then when they won it all, the rooting ran right out of me. I thought I’d be happy, but when it happened, it hit me like a ton of bricks … it was someone else’s team celebrating, not mine.
This year is a little different. I long to enjoy the simple pleasure of rooting for a ballclub again. I am rooting for Cliff Lee, and once the World Series matchup emerged, it got a lot easier to root for the Phillies. I don’t think it’s a rationalization to say that hating the Yankees is what keeps me from considering myself a front-runner. After all, I’d be rooting against the Yankees anyway. I mean, it’s my job.
Once you’re already rooting against one team, rooting for the other team becomes a distinction without a difference. Plus, the Phillies make for a nice team to root for. A bunch of solid hustling guys and a few major talents who are really worth watching.
Having said all that, I walk around Philly in an Indians cap four or five days a week, and the thought never crossed my mind that I might wear something different to an Indians-Phillies tilt.
I mean … DUH.
After all, I’d be rooting against the Yankees anyway.
I was at a bar last night celebrating a friend’s birthday, and several of the people we were with have no real interest in baseball, or at least none while the Indians aren’t playing. I didn’t even notice when the WS game started.
One of my non-interested fans looked up and noticed what was on, and said rather loudly, “Oh, it’s the World Series! Who is everyone rooting for?”
And a guy at least 20 years our senior next to us answered, “I know who the f*** we’re rooting against,” and with that Matt Stairs drove in the first run and everyone in the bar cheered. The timing was perfect.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 30, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bare minimum, you have to wear the Indians cap with a Phillies tee, and even this feels wrong. But at least the most visible part of you will be rooting for the Indians.
And I just bought that hat. Love it.
Steel Nick
No – the Brady Quinn’s sister look at the ND/OSU bowl game is forever known as Brady Quinn’s Sister Look.
I went to a Cubs/Indians game this spring and saw sooo many dbags in Tribe hat and Cubs jersey. “I’m from Medina, but I just loooooove Lincoln Park!!! Go Cubs Go!”
Sports are about loyalty in the face of rationality, and no where do you sign a “I’m not a fan if this gets tough” contract. If you get mad at baseball, sure, take it easy for a while, but don’t trade in for another team. The only times it is appropriate to switch teams have been outlined by Bill Simmons. Google it.
Sports are about loyalty in the face of rationality
Yes, yes, yes. This is what separates Cleveland sports fans from just about every other breed.
You are reading my signature.
I disagree. Cleveland fans aren’t the inherently noble beings we want them to be. Most every team has a seriously committed following.
Really? You think the average Cleveland sports fan is somehow more devoted to his/her teams than the average Philly fan?
First, I can tell you first-hand that this is the case.
Second, I can tell you that the kind of shrill ignorance found on cleveland.com is pretty much mainstream in Philly. In this town’s sports culture, passion is absolutely conflated with anger and ignorance. There is pride in being angry and ignorant, because that is a signifier of your passion as a fan.
So do you honestly believe Cleveland to contain a breed of fan that cannot be found anywhere else? Would you further claim that the loyalty is brought about by the abject failure of the two major franchises in town?
First sentence: I never said that. I stated (or implied) that there is significant variation in the quality of fans in different places. Cleveland and Philly are only two data points out of dozens.
Second sentence: Perhaps. It’s an interesting topic to study. Thoughtful old-school Red Sox fans lament that the next generation of fans will be spoiled douchebags, and probably stupid, too. A team with a long and proud tradition but not so many rings attracts a different type of person to be a diehard fan, that’s for sure. I mean, just look at the mutant scum that root hardest for the Yankees.
Every now and then – when the subject of Yankees fans arises – I refer those who think that Yankee fans are no different than Indians fans, to this. Now the shot may have my name as the author, but it’s the Yankee fans themselves that make this whole string of posts so fascinating to me. I call them obnoxious twits and they argue that their not by arguing like obnoxious twits.
fwembt, if you take the time to scan this shot, keep in mind that the Yankee fans posting in it consider themselves to be a bit smarter than the average Yankee fan. They’re probably right. One can only imagine what the rest of the cadre of villanous scum are like.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Yowza, you’re leading the brigade over in that thread!
I’m pretty proud of some of my posts in there, if it’s not too obnoxious for me to say so. I get to the heart of the Yankees awfulness in a better way than I usually do.
There’s nothing for you to be proud of. I would be embarrassed to be a Yankees fan, embarrassed to be playing the underdog to a team like the Indians. I’d be saying, “Even if we win, there’s nothing to be proud of here.”
Hell, I felt that way even when we were mugging the Twins back in 2001. But you have no shame. If you understood how this game really works, you’d be ashamed of the Yankees.
That’s pretty solid.
by Jay on Nov 1, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Every time I reread that thread, I laugh at this:
We cut salary this year, and as Cashman takes more and more control from Steinbrenner, we’re going to continue to focus on homegrown talent.
Yes, as we can all see, their young pitching — Chamberlain, Hughes and IPK! — is what has led them back to contention this year, which is why they basically are not spending significant money on free agents anymore.
Ha!
Ha!
Ha!
by Jay on Nov 3, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I guess what I’m saying is that I have not “switched teams” — I have the capacity to root for both, it’s not that difficult (well, I don’t know if my fiancee really enjoys watching baseball every waking moment, but…) Hell, I DVR’ed the Indians/Red Sox ALDS game 1 from 1995 on MLB.tv the other day (all 13 innings of it). Woo, Tony Pena.
*sigh*
I’m not telling you how to live your life, but there is nothing wrong with casually-ish rooting for another (NL) team – but there shouldn’t be any ambivalence about which hat to wear in the WS scenario.
As your fiancee what she thinks about your capacity to love her and be with another woman and you’ll get some idea what Turk thinks you’re doing right now.
Sporting polygamy is wrong; you can tell yourself it’s just a fling, but you know what you’re doing isn’t right.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by Joel D on Oct 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Over the summer, I saw an Enormous Douche at Busch Gardens in Williamsburg wearing a Yankees cap and an Ortiz jersey. Putting aside the ESPNification of that rivalry, what kind of person would do such a thing?
There was a guy at the Phillies/Dodgers NLCS game wearing a Yankees hat & jersey. I think he was lost or something, cause.. why would you even leave the house dressed like that, much less go to a freaking Phillies playoff game dressed like that?
On the plus side, I can safely assume he got beaten up in the parking lot afterwards.
*sigh*
Yes, this is the upside of diehard Philly fans being so primitivist.
by Jay on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t understand the reasoning behind wearing a cap or jersey or whatever that represents a team that is not playing a game in the stadium you are at.
Perhaps if there is a particular player who was once on your team and is now playing for someone else. i.e Cliff or Victor. But really, what is the point?
I typically look at someone doing that and think that they really should be walking around with a big sandwich board that reads: “Hey, everybody! LOOK AT ME! I’m a fan of another team that isn’t even in this ballpark. What do you think about that?”
Maybe that’s the point. Seems silly.
Unless it’s Indians gear. I can accept seeing that anywhere.
I don’t see it as billboard-like, especially if it’s just a cap. A cap is hardly a statement at all, but if it’s a statement, it’s just, “I’m just here to enjoy the game.”
I wore my Indians hat to the aforementioned Astros/Cardinals game and the statement I was making was “it’s sunny outside and this is the hat that I own.”
*sigh*
My two caps at the moment are a white script-I cap and a “JACOBS FIELD” cap, which also says Cleveland Indians on it. The average Philadelphian at a glance wouldn’t recognize either one of them.
Yeah, I have a few “old” Cleveland caps made by Cooperstown Ballcap Co. that most people wouldn’t recognize or think twice about.
I didn’t pick them out with that in mind, mind you, that’s just where the cap selection is at the moment.
I’ve had to move some storage around at my apartment and I was quite shocked at just how many Indians jerseys, hats, and jackets I have. It is kind of scary. I sorted through everything and made a pile of stuff (mainly jackets and jerseys) that I feel I can part with . Now, I have to decide how to do that.
Ebay is too much work and I’m not trying to make money anyhow. Maybe some sort of LGT raffle or swap meet?
My perception is perhaps colored by 10 years of seeing most of my baseball at Yankee or Shea stadium; In the Bronx particularly, if you are wearing stuff other than Yankees crap you are going to get attention. If it’s the visiting teams colors, fair enough, but if the Red Sox are not in town and you are there in a Boston cap or jersey then you are most definitely asking for some conflict.
So, I guess in most parks I can get on board with Nickjs21’s take on it.
I’m totally on your side. I think I even wrote about this once.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 31, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you still write for that site? You should put a link in your signature or something.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 31, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, the blog went defunct, for better or worse.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 2, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I thought hipsters only rooted for the Cubs.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
By default the Mariner’s at bat song intros should be much more pleasing.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
If at-bat songs were linked to locale, KC would have it all over Seattle
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Someone needs to put a baseball team down in the Delta and it will trump them both.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
I went to a Cubs/Indians game this spring and saw sooo many dbags in Tribe hat and Cubs jersey. "I’m from Medina, but I just loooooove Lincoln Park!!! Go Cubs Go!"
UGH. This is why Cubs fans are very near the top of my most hated list. At least they maintained some semblance of Tribe loyalty, though.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 30, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, the superficial appeal of rooting for the Phillies will wear off. It’s exciting to be with another team for awhile, but in the end, you’ll come running back to the Tribe, which has been good to you for so many years. I mean, we all fantasize about being with a winning team from time to time. It’s human nature. Sure, the Phillies are a little different, maybe a little younger. Maybe you’re bored with the same old routine, the slow first halves, the injuries, the bitter disappointments of near victories. I know, I know, these days we probably win only once a month, or once a week, when we used to do it all the time. But we can do better. We’ve got some hot, young talent that might spice things up, get you excited again.
We don’t even know you, anymore.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 30, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what the concept of prima nocta is, but I’ll admit I don’t really understand that in this context.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Explain this to me like I’m five years old…
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Re-reading that game recap I can pretty definitively say that (sadly) writing that was my #1 memory from the 2009 season. Sigh….
Combined with the second inning of the Tribe/Yankees game two days later, absolutely.
Il faut d'abord durer.
my favorite line as well
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Oct 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sabathia unquestionably was the club’s most valuable pitcher that season, but he faltered badly in the playoffs. He barely managed to scrape together a quality start against the Yankees in the Division Series, and he crapped the bed completely in the ALCS against the Red Sox. It may seem cruel to pin the Indians’ failure to win the pennant on Sabathia, but the simple truth is that he was absolutely terrible in that series, while his teammates took three games out of five without his help. He won the Cy Young Award, but his team won only the division title.
And now, just to rub salt in our wounds, Sabathia has produced for New York where he totally fell flat for Cleveland. In the 2007 postseason with the Indians, Sabathia posted an 8.80 ERA over three starts in the first two rounds. In 2009 for the Yankees, he’s posted a 1.19 ERA in three starts.
Thanks for writing this. I found it strangely therapeutic; it validates the (petty?) anger I harbor for CC.
Stupid 2007.
Well written and entertaining. I’d expect nothing less. I’ll do my best to disseminate this to Yankees fans and just general baseball fans.
Also, congrats on the Yahoo article. Is this the first LGT Yahoo article?
Quick note: I think you have a typo at the end of the piece. Where it says “may would think he’s among the very best GM’s in the game”, I believe it’s supposed to read “many.”
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
no, he means the month of may. it’s not till may gets around to convincing june, july, august and september, they buy in and that’s when the indians start playing better.
That was pretty lame! The “I think” was just me trying to be polite.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
you seem to be taking this as shot. it wasn’t a no-duh. ’m just messing around with typos, same way i do a lot to myself when i tpyo here.
I could drink that stuff by the gallon.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
My global condiment rankings go something like this:
1. Hummus
2. Salsa (good salsa, not crap stuff)
3. Tsatsiki
I’d say:
1. Tsattziki
2. Bertman’s
3. Hummus
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Bertman’s…hmm….I often don’t even think of it as a condiment. I use it as the base of many marinades and braising sauces. That is some good stuff.
I honestly can’t remember the last stew/chili/stir fry I’ve made where I didn’t use Bertman’s. But my cooking skills are terrible. The fact that you use Bertman’s that often solidifies its status as a top-notch condiment for me.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bertman’s just has a great taste. When it comes to mustards, yellow varieties make me physically gag. But I love Bertman’s.
It’s gotten so that I won’t use yellow mustard if that’s the only mustard available. That’s really the extent of my food snobbery, though. There’s an awesome burger place down here that has surprisingly bad mustard choices despite the very high quality of the other ingredients. I keep meaning to suggest Bertman’s to their management.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
2 parts Bertman’s, 1 part olive oil, seasonings to taste (I like to add rosemary), makes a great marinade/grilling sauce for meat – especially pork
Yes, pork — exactly. Didn’t work out too well as a dash of flavor in the beef stew I recently made, however.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya learn something new everyday
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah. That’s why I put the exclamation point after lame. Just messing around as well.
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it has one. i tried to type good meal. and the above is what came out.
by Brick. on Oct 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haven’t read it yet but I was shocked when I saw the byline. When I saw the Big League Stew header, I was thinking “here comes some clueless blogger”
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This is probably my favorite thing you have ever done Jay.
I feel bad for the people that personalize this and see it as Yankee bashing. It’s more a snipe at the way the game is and how the powers that be allow for it to exist this way.
So, in 20 years, when franchises from the old industrial cities are moved or shut down, the MLB will have no one to blame but themselves.
http://boards.ign.com/baseball/b5104/186410053/r186413174/?statusId=PostReplySuccess
Man that third poster annoyed me.
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a uniquely awful thing for Indians fans to swallow
Exactly. Great work, as always, Jay.
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by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
I love how Sabathia is holding up a handwritten sign with his name on it in the first picture.
ALSO! Great work as always.
We will take Sizemore next year if you don’t want him.
THIS type of thing is what I most hate about NYY fans.
Well either you come to terms with the situation or you end up hating your own team.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
I had the displeasure of going on a school trip with an idiot Yankee fan in 2005 who was convinced that the Indians were going to trade Sizemore that off season to the Yankees because there would be no way they could afford him. I think this harps more to the dislike of Yankee fans as posted above. In my experience Yankees fans are well aware of their teams glaring advantage and expect them to use it at every chance. Boston is very similar.
by The Grimace on Oct 29, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This has been forwarded to many.
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 28, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe it’s just WS-quality camerawork, but good lord is Phifer’s stuff filthy tonight.
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Lee just struck out the side — Teixeira, A-Rod, Posada — all batting from the right side.
It was … righteous.
by Jay on Oct 28, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m still laughing!
If you believe it's just a game, you're also probably wondering why Santa keeps skipping your house every year.
by LeftyCatcher on Oct 28, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That behind-the-back catch was pretty cool too.
Can he pitch tomorrow?
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The link appears to have broken itself. Trying again.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Wait what happened?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t watch the game.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Was it a mistake or an actual pitch?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh my god. That is just absolutely brilliant.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. God I think I like Lee even more now that he’s gone. Eff.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That ball moved a bit in the glove; wouldn’t have been so awesome if it popped out.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I thought watching Cliff Lee and CC Sabathia pitching on different teams would be the weirdest thing I would see tonight. But watching Ben Francisco as a starter tops it.
I notice Jay didn’t mention BenFran in his list of ex-Indians appearing in the postseason.
CFO of Klezmer
I am genuinely surprised by how widely linked and how positive the response has been. It seems almost tedious to me, in a way, but I did think there would be a morbid interest in how Indians fans feel about all this.
I did print it out and hand it to one of my NYY friends a few hours ago. He read it and handed it back saying: “He has some interesting points and it read well, but it really fails because he blames the Yankees for your teams failures.”
I wanted to punch him in the face.
Every Yankee fan that sees it hates it, because they love it until Jay sucker punches them at the end.
I was kind of surprised at the vitrol I saw from a Blue Jays fan. He accused him of being whiny while playing in the weak Central division.
Jay, your piece was very cathartic. Especially liked the last few paragraphs.
Remember after Lee’s phenomenal Cy Young season in 2008 most of us thought it was a fluke, a career year, and that he would never again rise to the level of a Cy Young again? God, were we wrong.
If you believe it's just a game, you're also probably wondering why Santa keeps skipping your house every year.
In an alternate reality, Westbrook went on to become the 2008 Cy Young winner and thereafter, following a complete Indians collapse in 2009, was traded to the Phillies and matched up against 2007 Cy Young winner ( and ex-Cleveland ace) CC Sabathia in Game 1 of the world series.
Equally as painful for the Indians faithful but here and today we are at least spared the NY Post headline: “JAKE AND THE FATMAN”.
That is, until I just went and posted it.
Boy, you really went all out for that joke. Hope you’re happy with it.
by Jay on Oct 28, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m bored.
Not a very well turned joke, I’ll admit. Had to get it out. Feel free to run with it.
I’d like to say again how much I’ve enjoyed so much of your writing. I really respect how much time and attention you put into all of this.
C’mon, It’s not as if it was a 6 paragraph post.
“It’s smart. It’s a smart line, and a smart crowd will appreciate it. And I’m not going to dumb it down for some bonehead mass audience!”
I’ll just put up the punch line next time and everyone can take their own walk.
The professionals tweeting tonight are on their game. It’s kind of like a game thread.
So far the most biting comment has come from Keith Law:
Meanwhile, Jason Knapp just reached for the remote to turn up the volume and shredded his labrum.
Steel Nick
Whatever, No one even knows who Jason Knapp is.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Best fans in baseball, those New Yorkers. So deserving. Look at all those empty seats. They’re so into the game, they all needed to walk away to collect themselves.
Steel Nick
Gotta leave early to beat… the… subway… traffic?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and who am I kidding. No one who can afford tickets to that game would even think of riding public transit.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they have a helicopter pad waiting outside the stadium. Do you have stock in Amtrak? If I can’t make a joke about rich New Yorkers not taking the subway in an anti-Yankee thread, then this isn’t America.
Steel Nick
Hey, believe me, we’re on the same side here. I just don’t think the natural absurdities of NYC need to be overstated or driven into the ground. We have better things to dwell on.
OK. Here’s a quote concerning the Yankees from that article I linked to: “They are a public trust, a religion, an addiction. Even the fans the team alienates can’t give it up. So they watch on TVs and in bars and celebrate nights like Friday, when the greedy owners in the ridiculous stadium with the bourgeois fans shivered through what may or may not have been a sellout.
The new Yankee world feels the same as the old Yankee world in only one way: They won.”
Yup.
Love mass transit. Hate Amtrak.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
See – having never taken Amtrak, I was just fishing. Although I do love the mass transit. It’s swell.
I just wanted to believe.
Took it Cleveland to DC once. Two and a half hours late there, six and a half hours late back.
It’s not really Amtrak’s fault, it’s that rail transit is woefully underfunded and laughably mismanaged as a whole here.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I hear. I keep meaning to take the Acela from DC to NYC, but I always end up going the cheap route and take the Chinatown Express. Biden was supposed to put more funding into it – I saw the regional “high speed” plans. But I’m not sure that’ll ever amount to much. Such a shame, it works so well in other parts of the world.
Then again, DC metro ain’t nothing to write home about either – except that its generally clean. And always late.
I just wanted to believe.
Never take Chinatown Express, Bolt Bus, dude.
And Metro’s a helluva lot better than no Metro. Plenty reliable enough to not need a car down here. Live in a city where that’s not possible and you’d be longing for WMATA. Well, I would at least.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the first I’ve heard of DC Metro being bad. Most people I talk to say it’s the best metro system they’ve ever seen.
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Do most of those people use it to commute everyday?
I mean, it’s frustrating. Often downright maddening, sometimes waiting 9-10 minutes for trains during rush hour. Never as efficient as the NYC subway. But it’s clean. It’s a relatively robust system. Second-highest ridership in the country. And for when it was built, it accomplishes some great things. It’s done a lot of good for this city.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
9 or 10 WHOLE minutes?! You have no idea how good you have it.
by Brick. on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
9-10 at times DURING rush hour. I’ve waited over 30 minutes for a train on the weekends.
I just wanted to believe.
At least non-Verizon customers get service in (some) stations now. Keeps me from going insane.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Metro sucks sometimes, but it’s not the El. I mean, come on.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is – as one longtime DC resident explained to me while waiting for a Metro train for over 30 minutes – that the DC metro really is a light rail system designed to get people from the suburbs to the center of the the district. It’s not a subway system like New York, London or Paris. This doesn’t keep people from trying to use it as a true subway. When it comes to getting around the city on a daily basis – it matters.
It also matters when the system is constantly – and I do mean CONSTANTLY – breaking down, running slow or being repaired. It also hurts it that it takes an act of congress to make changes to it or to get additional funding.
Ask people who ride it every day – it needs improvements. I am all for public transportation – I absolutely support it 100%. DC’s Metro – while functioning – can be improved greatly.
I just wanted to believe.
While I agree that it needs (potentially vast) improvements, I think you’d do well to consider the time period during which Metro was built. This was an era of more cars and bigger roads. The fact that DC had the foresight to do this then speaks volumes. This wasn’t something built before cars were even imagined, as in NYC or London — this is a public transit wonder spawned in the height of the automobile era.
Also, you have to think it’s inherently easier to allow a city to develop around an existing subway than to build a Metro system in a modern city while simultaneously trying to create and improve neighborhoods without destroying pre-existing ones. It’s really quite a feat. But it needs better leadership.
Much like the Tribe — great “talent,” lack of funds in an otherwise unfair system, and questionable leadership.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Always.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I use Amtrak quite a lot to get from Richmond to DC. The single biggest problem with Amtrak is that it doesn’t own the rails on which it runs. The freight lines own the rails, and their trains have priority. That’s why the Amtrak trains will sometimes come to a complete stop – they are required by the terms of their contract to let the freight train pass.
Yeah, it’s sort of embarrassing that the richest country in the world as such a dreadful train system.
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Freedom!
Individuality!
Cars!
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think that one of this country’s biggest problems is its addiction to the car. I once saw an interview with an elected official from Portland, OR who was basically being attacked by a reporter for being “anti-car” and somehow by default anti-American. The official kinda cocked his head and said that Portland’s de-emphasizing the car (narrower roads, less parking and more public transportation) was done so that people had the right and the ability to choose their method of transport. He ended the interview by asking the reporter what was so wrong with having the freedom to choose.
This country has a very long way to go. It is shameful that we’ve built a society that revels in its freedom while limiting its populace.
I just wanted to believe.
Agreed. That’s what has inspired me to study this stuff. Portland State is one of my top choices for grad school.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
We really should get together again for drinks/coffee before you (and I?) leave. Public transport is a pet interest of mine, couple that with IR stuff and… You still in the neighborhood?
I just wanted to believe.
One block from the Courthouse Metro. Ever been to Galaxy Hut?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not yet – looks to be across from Whole Foods if I’m looking at the map correctly. I’m game. Shoot me an email, we’ll figure out a time.
I just wanted to believe.
Yep, that’s where it’s at. Divey kinda place with great beers. Not your typical Clarendon post-fratboy hangout spot. I’ll be in touch.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If you decide to make Portland State your choice, look me up. Am just over the river in Vancouver, WA.
Oh, and Portland has loads of breweries and brewpubs as well.
Why do you think it’s one of my top choices?
Now if I can just get them to let me in…
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I just heard about this from my cousin the other day. I don’t see anything wrong with it at all. Oh no it makes traffic worse! Why the hell are you driving to NYC in the first place? I’d rather shoot myself in the face.
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Seriously. I feel the same way about DC and Manhattan is 100x worse.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn’t heard anything about that – is it because the streets usually don’t have lanes to begin with?
I just wanted to believe.
NL
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by westbrook on Oct 29, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry, just taking shots there. Didn’t think I was being offensive.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I missing something then? Were you being sarcastic?
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 28, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No. It’s just that there are plenty of people at these games who can in no way be considered rich.
There’s no argument. I understand what you were saying. I think we dump a little too much on everything that concerns the Yankees.
And having said that I want to be clear that I am in no way trying to be a Yankees apologist.
I think we dump a little too much on everything that concerns the Yankees.
Counterpoint: Do we?
Steel Nick
Sorry, Jimmy, but it really isn’t that complicated: No quarter given when it comes to the Yankees.
They are the ancestral foes of our Cleveland Indians.
They are presently destroying the game, and through their malfeasance have robbed Indians fans, directly and indirectly, of a lot of celebrating.
Their ownership and fans are disgusting people. Even if I were from New York and had lived their all my life, I could not be more than a casual Yankees fan.
I believe these views are absolutely mainstream among Indians fans. Most who dissent, pardon my saying, are either ignorant of Indians history and tradition or haven’t really thought through the economic realities of the present, or both.
There’s nothing really unusual about my stance on this, except perhaps for my confidence in that stance. It may seem unbecoming or even inconsistent, to some, for a moderator on a site that pushes intellect and civility to be so openly and even systemically hostile to anyone. To those who wonder about this, I say:
- The site mods are not immune from the raw passions of being an Indians fan — far from it.
- Evil is evil, and we call it like we see it.
- Our stance is part and parcel of the Indians fan experience, and in the best traditions of Indians fandom.
- It’s our site, and the Yankees are spat upon here, end of story.
I have no problem with you, Jimmy — I think you’ve been great in your brief time here so far. If you have a problem with me on this, well, that’s just too bad.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can and do agree with you on practically everything. The exception being the broad inclusion of the fans as “disgusting people”.
I’ll maintain that to take such a hard line, unwavering stance just feeds the ugly, ignorant side of sports and sports fans. Which is to also say that I don’t find that attitude to be “in the best traditions of Indians fandom.”
I’m not going to try, here and now, to prove my knowledge of Indians baseball history or whether I understand the economics of the game and the impact it has had on the franchise. I’ll just say that I absolutely do not fall into the category of “ignorant”.
I do know that the life long passion and investment I have put forth for my team does not require me to viscerally hate the entire fan base of another. Even if it is the f****n’ Yankees.That does not make me any less of a dedicated, unwavering fan. Nor does it elevate me above someone of contrary nature.
It may seem unbecoming or even inconsistent, to some, for a moderator on a site that pushes intellect and civility to be so openly and even systemically hostile to anyone.
It’s not that it “may seem” that way.. it is that way. Obviously, I’m a bit put off by it but I do not have some sort of personal problem with you (or anyone else) on this. Not even close.
Anyhow, thanks for the clarification of your convictions.
by JimmyAB on Oct 29, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well said. Too much hyperbole on this issue.
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by Joe. on Oct 29, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You make some good points. I don’t really care to argue them; I think there’s good food for thought on both sides.
One small clarification I will make. I have challenged the quality of a person’s Indians’ fandom based on their not hating the Yankees enough — guilty as charged. I don’t think, however, that I have derided anyone for not hating their fans enough.
I know you will not surprised to learn that when I meet a Yankees fan, I am not automatically hostile to that person right off the bat. Well, not entirely hostile, anyway.
When I meet Rochester Redwings fans, I spit in their faces.
by afh4 on Oct 29, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aren’t you the guy that through some jadrool outta your studio for wearing a Yankee hat? That was you wasn’t it?
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
i won’t buy a candybar from kids raising money for their sports team if it’s basketball or if they are wearing a yankee hat.
I won’t buy a candybar from kids raising money for their sports team because I’m diabetic.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and God dumps a little too much on Satan
[deleted, religion?]
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? Wasn’t the old one basically right at a subway stop? Shea was easy to get to.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If you live in lower Manhattan, it’s a long subway ride. Even when I met up with my friend in the Upper East Side, it still took us 15-20 minutes to get there.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
If you live in lower Manhattan, it’s a long subway ride.
No offense but, duh. I mean, considering the actual distance, though, it’s still pretty convenient via subway, no?
I mean, that’s the equivalent of me saying Progressive Field is a pain to get to from Kent. Well yeah. Except I can’t hop on a train that runs every few minutes to get there from Kent.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, but you think it would be shorter considering you’re in the city already.
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I feel like you’d only think that if you’ve never been to New York.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just pointing out that it can be annoying to get to if you live in Manhattan, where you are so used to having everything you need so close to you.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
Fair enough. But it’s not like the team moved from Manhattan to the Bronx. They’ve always been there.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I sort of know what you are saying but the way you initially expressed it comes off as pretty funny. I’m just remembering getting from my house in Mayfield down to Municipal Stadium; that was a long trip. At least when I was 12.
You’d think with a metro area population of 19 million that they could get 50,000 to come to a game.
I just wanted to believe.
I was surprised how much I enjoyed watching that – that was great.
I also really dug how enthused Charlie Manuel was throughout the game. It was too easy picturing Wedgie in the same situation, all knotted up.
Seems like he displayed un utter lack of respect for Yankee “mystique.” Awesome.
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome
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by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Sort of on the theme of Jay’s article…happy Halloween, LGT
by cleveland teamer on Oct 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Be patient. I’m hoping for a rain-out tomorrow so Cliff can pitch against Balloon Butt in game 4. That should tie things up.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Feliz just made game 4 interesting again. I love it when justin hangs his head and looks away immediatly after the ball leaves the bat.
It’s like the baseball gods decided that 2009 just wasn’t quite as awful as it possibly could be.
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It is like that. The Phils got BIP’ed to death last night, Blanton especially “allowed” all kinds of groundall and bloop hits.
Don’t know if you know this, but the baseball gods all live in a co-op building at Park Avenue and 67th Street.
OK, this Series still officially sucks, but it’s now a bit more interesting.
I am liking the idea of the Phillies offense facing Pettite on short rest. However, who is next up in the Phillies rotation? Hamels? Egad. I sure hope he finds his A game over the next two days.
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Did the format change, or did I accidentally do something to my computer? If the former, I like it.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Yeah, new CSS. It’s bigger and rounder, although the square corners on the comment boxes are different than the round corners everywhere else (at least on Chrome).
I didn’t notice the square corners (I’m also on Chrome), but bigger is better as long as it doesn’t end up looking like a kid’s computer or like you’ve shoved too much info into too small a space. This is neither, in my opinion. Well done again, SBN/mods/whoever is responsible.
Il faut d'abord durer.
TOO MUCH WHITE
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Is this where I act offended and offer flimsy anecdotal evidence to defend my school’s honor?
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Nov 3, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
People always think I’m going to be touchy about Duke basketball. I’m actually touchy about people assuming something so absurd. I’m not blind. I know the team is gross, lately.
Now I’m confused. Gross? Gross? What they quit showering after practice? They’re ugly? There’s 144 of them? Give me the meaning of “gross” here, cuz I can’t discern it from the context.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
I have no idea who that is.
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I hate the Yankees and actively route for their demise every time I think of them, but some small heretical part of me wants the Yankees to win every WS the Indians aren’t in. Maybe that will make baseball unfun for the rest of the league.
You had me until “but some heretical.” Everything after that was just crazy talk.
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I’m actually with him there. Nothing is going to change until there is some sort of crisis. I would think the Yankees winning 10 WS in a row would qualify.
I’m trying to come up with a suitable crisis that doesn’t involve living through 10 years of Hell on Earth.
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A couple more offseasons like that past one might actually do it.
by Jay on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
But, barring injury, they only need one offseason like that every 4 years to be capable of winning 120 games for the next 4.
So, root for CC’s injury. Most people are doing that anyway, I think.
This quote from a Yankees fan sums it up neatly:
I am happier right now than any of you have ever been in your lives.F the Yankees, F their fans, F Selig.
Not that any of us need any more ammunition to think that the average Yankees fan is an idiot, but when a Cleveland team wins a Championship, I’m positive I won’t be that happy. Yes, it will be an incredible experience to have the journey (really, the more enjoyable part anyway) finally end with a victory, and being a Cleveland fan is a big part of my life and who I am, but I’m sure that I’ve worked hard enough at different passions and have been lucky enough to have such people in my life that there are many points of my life happier than that which this Manhattan chump is trumpeting.
And upon re-reading the quote, it’s even sadder to note that this guy is probably smarter than average Yankee fan, since he used the proper “your.”
Il faut d'abord durer.
Actually a very smart guy. Except for the Yankees thing. He’s from Philadelphia, so maybe Jay can beat the crap out of him for us.
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