Cliff Lee dazzles in duel of ex-Indians
I know that Paul Hoynes is never quoted in seriousness on this site, but I really like this little write up. And as you can all imagine, I'm beside myself with joy over Cliff's performance against the New York Douche Noozles and Cazzi Culone. If it couldn't be the Tribe exploding the Steinbrenner Spawn's balloon this is the next best thing.
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I know this gets brought up a lot….but I can’t bring myself to look at the user comments at the bottom….I can only imagine….
by GoTribe028 on Oct 29, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cliff was absolutely masterful. If the Phillies win in it, it’ll be because of Cliff Lee. Start calling him M-V-Lee!
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I may have to get a Cliff Lee Phillies jersey. Seriously.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve thought about it. Has more staying power than if I would have bought an Indians version.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost got a Sabathia Brewers one. Glad I didn’t.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 29, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why you would have even considered that. You knew he’d be gone after ’08.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lament my Sabathia 32 oz. cup from McDonald’s, even though it was free.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a blood-stained Sabathia Indians jersey that I don’t regret. I kind of wish I had a Lee Indians jersey.
by APV on Oct 29, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve mentioned this before, but literally every time I’ve bought a shirt/jersey, that particular player craps the bed/gets injured the following year. Jerseys I’ve purchased:
After ’06 season: Hafner
After ’07 season: Carmona
After ’08 season: Sizemore
Fortunately, there’s no one left worth ruining.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psst … he wears #13.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 29, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE BROUGHT OMAR BACK?!
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you buy a Yankees #2 jersey, I’ll pay for it.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 30, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buy a Joe Mauer jersey. And Rick Porcello, too.
by odradek on Oct 31, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was kind of the novelty of it.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think 2007. And think of Cliff Lee’s contribution to our playoff hopes and accomplishments.
by APV on Oct 29, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think sabathia’s contribution to our playoff hopes and accomplishments
blech
yes, i think i still prefer cliff lee. he at least gave me a reason to watch in ’08.
If you don't respect Aaron Laffey, I will fight you.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff did a better job than C.C. in the 2007 postseason.
by odradek on Oct 31, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff did not prevent a single run from being scored.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure C.C.’s PRC for the 2007 postseason was negative.
by Jay on Oct 31, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dazzling performance by Clifton last night. I expected to be upset all game, but watching him blow Jeet away in the first let me know I was in for a really fun evening.
by JulioBernazard on Oct 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was bursting with pride watching 34 last night
by johnf34 on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same here. Obviously it stings seeing both of them in the WS for different teams, but I was also sort of proud (of Lee in particular).
by JP_Frost on Oct 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was applauding after nearly every inning. It feels strange, but I’m proud of him.
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Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on Oct 29, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Sabathia, I still think a majority of people probably doubted Lee’s ability for continued success. That makes it all the more sweet to see him put on a show (the pitching, the pop-up catch, and the behind-the-back play) against that team in their house on the World Series stage.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Oct 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m blown away by his performance against the righties — which includes three switch-hitters.
The lefties — Damon, Matsui, Cano — went 2-for-10 with one strikeout — which actually is not bad.
The righties — Jeter, Teixeria, A-Rod, Posada, Swisher, Cabrera — went 4-for-22 with just one double and no walks. That’s an OPS of .409, and there’s at least two Hall of Famers in that group.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot one detail — 9 K in 22 PA against the righties.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does this mean you want someone to give you an idiot as quickly as possible?
by Brick. on Oct 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yup. I can’t stand being around all these smart people.
-Erik
by drerikbrady on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s New York, Jay. There are four HOFers in that group.
by odradek on Oct 31, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually looked kinda deflated on that pop-up play. “Oh, I have to catch this one?”
by baergagaga on Oct 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Shucks, he hit it… oh well, I guess I’ll catch it… BUT ONLY IF I DON’T HAVE TO MOVE.”
by gte619n on Oct 30, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night’s Sabathia-Lee matchup, a 6-1 win for the Phillies, could be viewed as an indictment of baseball insofar as its design for payroll balance. If revenue sharing was supposed to enable small- and middle-market clubs to keep their best players, it still isn’t working. Then again, to be fair, it wasn’t the Yankees who caused the starting pitching market to skyrocket to absurd levels. It was the San Francisco Giants with their seven-year, $126 million contract for Barry Zito. Before that, it was the Colorado Rockies with their seven-year, $121 million deal for Mike Hampton. And before that, the Dodgers with their seven-year, $120 million pact with Kevin Brown.
When the Yankees signed Sabathia last winter for $161 million over seven years, they were merely following the market that the Mets had set with six years, $137.5 million for Johan Santana. It’s the same stratospheric market Lee figures to enter when he becomes eligible for free agency after next season – a market only a few clubs can seemingly enter now, and certainly not the Indians.
There’s a Shapiro quote in there too. But, I just had to laugh at this Yankee writer justifying last night’s game. Amazing.
by Toxicadam on Oct 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
makes me wonder if all the cliff love will still be there if/when he’s wearing pinstripes – when aw-shucksing pop-ups will become jackassery.
by Brick. on Oct 29, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have some pretty defined rules regarding your reputation when you become a Yankee.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before that, it was the Colorado Rockies with their seven-year, $121 million deal for Mike Hampton. And before that, the Dodgers with their seven-year, $120 million pact with Kevin Brown.
Both examples have small mistakes, and both mistakes inflate the annual salary, making Sabathia look less extreme.
Hampton was 120M over EIGHT years … 15M per.
Brown was 105M over seven years … 15M per.
Zito is 126M over seven years … 18M per.
Sabathia is 161M over seven years … 23M per.
Yeah, the Yankees didn’t inflate salaries …
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God those are some terrible contracts.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I predict that ultimately, Brown’s will turn out to be the least terrible of the group.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reasonable prediction.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Objectively or subjectively? Because the Yankees ability to just absorb terrible money decisions will probably pull them out of the fire if CC tanks at some point.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of those clubs thought they could afford those deals. The Yankees are on a different level, but the math isn’t all that different.
Consider also that the Yankees are also paying a 40% luxury tax on top of the 50% higher salary. That’s 32.2M per.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those clubs definitely thought they could afford the deals at the time, no doubt. But the Yankees probably can afford theirs, even with the luxury tax thrown in. Julio Lugo style.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Oct 29, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All based on the presumption that contracts will naturally progress by $3 million or $4 million over the previous standard. Where does that come from?
by odradek on Oct 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the young players we got back in the trades were major league-ready and I think we have a club that’s ready to contend.
by Brick. on Oct 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ready? Akron’s been a contender for a while now. Typical East Coast bias.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 29, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to take this opportunity to point out something that annoys me with playoff recaps and highlights, especially in the World Series. “Chase Utley is only the 2nd left-handed hitter to hit 2 home runs off of a lefty in World Series history.” Like anyone cares about that. When Utley hit that second home run, did anyone say, “WOW! The significance of that shot will weigh on whether or not many other lefties have ever done that off a lefty! I need to know!”
And it gets more detailed then. Someone, somewhere, is letting us know that Sabathia is only the 14th pitcher in WS Game 1 history to give up 2 runs or less in 7 innings during a night game from the American League and lose. Now I made that up, but even if CC was the first, I don’t care.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 29, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I couldn’t agree more. Where does this stuff come from? According to this morning’s Washington Post, Utley is only the second lefthanded hitter (the other being Babe Ruth) to hit two home runs off a lefty IN YANKEE STADIUM. And that of course makes me care even less.
by ken from alexandria on Oct 29, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And somewhere, someone is getting paid to research those “stats.” Meanwhile, I’m getting paid to do expense reports.
Then again I’m getting paid, so I’m thankful.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Oct 29, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obscure stat alert: CC was the sixth AL starter to lose game 1 of the World Series whilst pitching 7 innings or more and giving up 2 runs or less. The others were Danny Jackson, Scott McGregor, Jose Santiago, Bob Feller and Chief Bender. And no, I don’t know how many, other than the two most recent, were night games.
It doesn’t matter, but where would the world be without useless information?
In other news, Jerry Hairston is starting in RF tonight because he is 10-27 against Pedro. Their most recent meeting? 2004.
by FredOx on Oct 29, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Fred, help me out, who wrote this?
That’s my family right there. (Yes, that’s my wife. Yes, I know she looks 14. Yes, I named my son Jaxon. No, I don’t have a good excuse at to why.) Look at those kids. Cute, right? You want them to have a good life don’t you? I’m going to be a free agent soon. My next contract is likely going to be my last contract. My last shot to make the kind of money that they never have to worry about anything again. If I go to the Brewers, it could all fall apart. I could crack under the pressure and end up a non-roster invitee to the Pirates. Do you think those kids want to live in Pittsburgh? Nobody does. Give these kids a chance at a better life and don’t trade for me. You won’t regret it. I suck. It’s like my manager Eric Wedge always says "I coached CC Sabathia, I knew CC Sabathia. CC Sabathia was a friend of mine and you sir are no CC Sabathia." You don’t want me, you want him and I can’t be him. So let’s just forget this whole thing, okay
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Oct 30, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it. Someone posted a picture of Cliff and family in a game thread and commented on how young his wife looked. I thought the text that went with the post was kind of funny. It was all in a game thread, not sure why Chuck’s asking about it now.
by FredOx on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Hairston is starting in RF tonight because he is 10-27 against Pedro
I hope Acta never pulls this kind of nonsense.
by cleveland teamer on Oct 30, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the fact that Cliff is the first pitcher since Don Newcombe in 1949 to record 10 Ks and no walks in a WS game adds some significant perspective to his performance.
by SuddenSam on Oct 29, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess. But if his performance was 9 Ks and no walks, and someone did that more recently, I don’t feel like it’s any less special. Just opinion.
The more qualifiers there are to the accomplishment, the dumber it is. I think that’s my point.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Oct 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that. I think that the first observation is that it’s a rare and impressive performance, and then they go about trying to specify exactly how rare and impressive it is. At that point, they often kind of jump the shark on it, by making their description of its rarity so specific that you lose all sense of how impressive it was. In other words, they end up reporting on the rarity rather than the impressiveness.
by Jay on Oct 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, the TV guys are afraid of having nothing to say. They can’t just say, “that’s really awesome.” They have to ram it down your throat.
by odradek on Oct 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh. I love that sort of thing. Go figure.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Oct 29, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was aware that what Utley was doing was historic in nature. I couldn’t cite the prior cases or how many there were, but I knew that it must be extremely rare. Ditto for where Cliff Lee’s game line ended up.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved this part of Stark’s write up.
Meanwhile, Lee has now pitched 33 1/3 innings in his postseason career — and given up a total of two earned runs. Two. That computes to a ridiculous 0.54 ERA.
And how many pitchers in history have a lower ERA than that in that many postseason innings? The answer is none. Nada. Your previous all-time record-holder was Mariano Rivera, holder of a 0.77 ERA. He had an excellent view Wednesday of the new record-holder’s relentless brilliance.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 29, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Interesting split:
Rivera’s postseason ERA in Jay’s presence: 13.50
Rivera’s postseason ERA in Jay’s absence: 0.71
I know it’s a small sample, but with such an extreme difference, you have to figure there’s something to this.
by Jay on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone needs tickets. Lots of them.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 30, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could we just have a streaming video of Alomar’s HR off of Rivera in the 1997 ALDS, and always have it bumped to the top of the page? PLEASE?!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Oct 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve searched the internet for some of the classics and could never find them.
by Roger Dorn on Oct 30, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Oct 30, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd or 4th starter on a good team at best.
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on Oct 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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