Game Thread: October 4, 2009
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Ryan, that scoreboard shot seems like it happened 5 years ago.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 4, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
Has anybody else seen this picture? It is saddening and incredible at the same time.
The Thome goggles are awesome.
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by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
9 first downs to zero? That football team is the equivalent of the ’62 Mets. Move again, already.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
that was close…almost looked like they were going to put a big lead up on the Indians
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I just looked and it is now 17-9 Browns in first downs. That means 17-0 since I posted this. huh???
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 4, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The only team that where a backup qb can throw three interceptions in a half of football and be anointed the starter the following week.
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Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know why they even use a passing quarterback. I’d just set up in a 1915 T and hope for the best.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m looking forward to seeing him next year. His career has followed the pattern where he is mediocre one year then repeats the same level and dominates. I would really like to see him do well here. Especially as a second-basemen. The kind of offense he’s capable of providing from that position is much needed.
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by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
10 Indians with 10+ HRs this season (barring a 3-HR day from LaPorta). Garko, Francisco, Martinez and DeRosa no longer here, of course.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally I would say who cares. But today the lineup is uncharacteristically atrocious. Even by the Indians’ standards.
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by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagining next year’s lineup and bench assuming no off-season signings…
Sizemore, CF
Cabrera, SS
Choo, RF
Hafner, DH
Peralta, 3B
LaPorta, LF
Valbuena, 2B
Shoppach, C
Marte, 1B
Bench:
Marson, C
Crowe, OF
Donald, UI
Gimenez, U
Mid-season call-ups:
Michael Brantley, OF
Carlos Santana, C
Jordan Brown (?), 1B
i could see all of this happen except for the shoppach part. i don’t see him being part of the organization
That could very well happen, in which case it is probably Marson starting and Toregas on the bench.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone else said it, but I wouldn’t mind holding onto Shoppach at least a little longer. I can’t imagine he sticks around a whole lot longer, but if you trade him now you’re not exactly selling high. Give him a chance next year to improve his stock as the starter, and when Santana is ready bring him up and move Shoppach.
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Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of hope he plays regularly in the first half then gets traded just in time for Santana’s promotion
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s an above-average lineup, better than needed for a developmental season.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And a 12-man pitching staff….
Rotation:
Westbrook
Laffey
Carmona
Huff
Sowers
Bullpen:
Smith
Perez
Lewis
Todd
Sipp
Perez
Wood
First call-ups…
Masterson
Carrasco
Rondon
Herrmann
Edell
Putnam
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Unlike the lineup, that starting rotation is a mess
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i highly doubt masterson starts in AAA. sowers could be long man/gone or todd will be down. masterson will be in the rotation in my opinion. he is ahead of sowers and huff..
The rotation/pitching staff could go lots of different ways. I think Masterson is more likely to start in the minors than some because the Indians can afford to go back and take some time with his development. If they really want him to be in the rotation, going back to AAA is not a bad idea. He came through the Red Sox system extremely quickly, so he did not have a lot of minor league time (and has all his options remaining, I believe). And again, given what next season is all about, it makes sense to give a guy like Sowers another chance instead of putting Masterson in that spot just because.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I believe Masterson has already burned an option, and Huff has not.
I also can’t see Masterson as the odd man out in that group — I’m not even sure you can justify taking Sowers over Masterson, given how unproductive Sowers has been, regardless of the option status. I think Sowers should be relief pitching in winter ball.
We should remember, though, that this is only even an issue if all six guys (seven including Carrasco) are healthy at the end of camp. Otherwise, it’s a non-issue.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re right in the sense that this is what is going to happen. But I disagree with this type of thinking. We entered this year saying “Ok, we know our staff aren’t amazing, but we’ll be able to mix and match until we get a consistent five and then we’ll go from there.” How is that rotation any different? Aren’t we in a bit of a situation like the A’s were this year? They had a bunch of very young, high-octane arms but could have broken camp with the same guys as last year, who were, adequate at best (Eveland, Smith). Instead they fed Cahill and Anderson to the dogs. What prevents us from doing that with, say, Rondon, Carrasco (and in your vision above), Masterson? Do those guys really need that much more seasoning? Masterson has some control issues, but I would still rather he pitch than Laffey/Huff/Sowers.
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Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because going with plan B means plan A is not an option. Starting with plan A still leaves you the option of choosing plan B as the season goes on.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. I can see the merit in that. But I’ll play devil’s advocate. Plan A next year (the rotation you came up with) needs to have a short leash. Maybe I’m overly optimistic, but this is a weak division and I can envision scenarios where the Indians could legitimately compete. Plan A can’t still be in full swing after a month of futility. Unless of course, you’re willing to concede the 2010 season to allow Masterson/Rondon/Carrasco time to develop and work on the minutia of pitching.
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by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Plan A next year (the rotation you came up with) needs to have a short leash.
Why does it need a short leash if all we are playing for in 2010 is 2011? I see no reason why a half-season at AAA would inhibit the development of any of our younger pitchers.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam, let’s assume Westbrook – Carmona – Sowers, at least, and probably you avoid optioning Laffey if you can. So your choice is Justerson or Huff, no? You take Dave?
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My argument for Masterson is that he really has never been given the chance to learn how to start (and in that context, get LHers out). Huff has had that experience and really just needs to remember what he was doing in 2008. Masterson basically has to learn something new, which is easier to do at AAA.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair. I guess I see that as a spring training issue — assume both are going to split 2010 MLB/MiLB, go with whichever looks more in need of the big-league starts when you break camp.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I just feel that whatever else is happening this offseason, Marte won’t start for us. If LaPorta is the long-term solution at first, it doesn’t make sense to play him somewhere else.
Il faut d'abord durer.
LaPorta looks a lot better in LF than at 1B. Marte and Brantley played for the same minor league club this season, and Marte’s OPS was about 260 points higher. Regardless of potential, that’s where these players stand right now.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he doesn’t have to. The Indians might decide they like him with the team, but I think it makes more sense to start LaPorta in LF and use 1B to play around with Marte/Brown/TBA rather than start LaPorta at 1B and Brantley at LF. From a developmental standpoint and utilizing current assets, it makes more sense.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My version: 711 OPS in Triple-A. Not quite ripe yet, and too promising to sit on the bench.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That too. But there will be people (like Hoynes) pointing and yelling “he hit .315 in September!!” – conveniently ignoring that he hasn’t walked and has only hit singles.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Or…..LAST GAME THREAD UNTIL APRIL 2010! Sucky baseball>no baseball.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But this has gone beyond sucky and into VICTOR HIT A GRAND SLAM OFF US!
That makes me a sad wombat.
2009. Oof.
I am looking forward to missing baseball, which is a lot better than I feel about it now.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. In a few weeks, I can start looking forward to something. This season has not been conducive to looking forward.
2009. Oof.
After this, the only thing I have to look forward to in the immediate future is… Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas. Oh, and the DVD release of Inglourious Basterds.
CFO of Klezmer
This is going to be one of those DVDs that gets put on for general background noise whenever I’m doing things around the house.
CFO of Klezmer
One of our cats does paw at my arm repeatedly if I don’t pay attention to her. Does this count?
CFO of Klezmer
Yeah, the last two years have been shocking. The thing is, I don’t think we’re returning to the ’70’s…..but I’m not all that confident about that. Back in those days, the Hot Stove time of the year was maybe the best time of the year. Kinda like the Browns and the draft today.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 4, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s gonna be the 70s for at least two years. Pretty sure I’ll never see the late 90s again.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Hey, I finally saw Gran Torino last night. Not a masterpiece exactly, but I thoroughly dug it, start to finish.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Lotta Ol’ Man references in it. Not Clint’s best work, but amusing nonetheless.
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I love how they establish his racist bona fides at the start with that joke he tells in the bar.
An overlooked little gem in that movie is the conversation between his two sons at the opening scene funeral. Great brother stuff.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But you’ll note that he’s biggoted about everybody. Love the bit with the ghetto-speaking white-kid and how Clint’s character displays his distain for him. Clint’s character isn’t so much a racist as a guy who calls ’em like he sees ’em.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
That’s the joke in the bar. The scene starts mid-conversation. He says, “Hey, I got one for you” — implying that they’ve been trading jokes, racist jokes as it turns out — “A black guy, a Jew and a Mexican walk into a bar. The bartender says, hey, why don’t all three of you guys get the hell out of here.” Everyone laughs. Point made, in about four seconds. Very impressive.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Took a couple months for the new stuff to kick in, I guess.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hope my dream scenario happens. twins tie it on the 2nd to last day and then lose it on the final day… that is almost as good as seeing them lose game 163 last year
Would enjoy it, but I’ve got money against the Tigers, and as I said, there’d be something intensely hilarious about watching the AL East teams lose on concrete.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Decided yesterday I will be performing Simple Minds’ “Don’t You” at my next karaoke opportunity. If you call them opportunities.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
My exact reasoning. Most pop tracks I have to drop an octave. Simple Minds, though — wheelhouse.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
E’er’body, quick OT: Zombieland is pretty terrific.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
I was just reading a blurb on that last night. I am intrigued.
We also have Sugar on hand for tonight’s entertainment.
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It’s kind of a mess of a movie, but the dialogue is sharp and the cast has a lot of fun.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to imagine Woody is basically reprising his role as Mickey Know from Natural Born Killers. Except now he’s killing Zombies.
Oh, and he also needs to tell Zombie-related jokes.
But I’m glad it’s good.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
*Knox
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by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that a typo in the Browns’ box score? They scored on a TD?
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
Niuman Romero. You’re thinking of George.
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Your uncle molests collies.
Stupid bottom of the thread. That should have been a reply.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, just turned the sound on. Nobody spoke for like 30 straight seconds; I was hoping Manderpantsing took the game off.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, I really suck at defensive stats. Do we have any hard evidence about Jhonny at third?
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
I’d have preferred they both lost, and we lost, too, to swipe that #4 pick while everyone has to sweat another two days.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not rooting for the Twins so much as I’m rooting against the Tigers. I think the Tigers would roll over and die in the playoffs, and the Twins would lose but lose in an irritating fashion. It’s kind of like taking your obnoxious friend to a party full of people you hate.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I give the Twins a fighting chance agains the Yankees. The Tigers don’t have a prayer. Ergo: Let’s Go Twins!!!
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What I’m rooting for is Ozzie and Wedge in the booth throughout the postseason. Wedge in full-on “screw it” mode, Ozzie being in that mode all the time anyway.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And Wedge with a coupla hot-toddy’s in ’em. Let Tabs to the pre and post game too. Excellent entertainment.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Oh, I’d love that. Get Wedge liquored up and let him lay into everyone — including me. That would be great.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If he did that, we’d all be pining to hire him back!
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 4, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The one thing I don’t want is for us to finish tied with the Royals — last-place finish, and they get the better draft pick, so screw that. I’ll take the #4 pick with the last place finish, or I’ll take the #5 pick without the last-place finish. It’s hard to believe the Royals can come back and beat them, so I guess I’m banking on a Tribe victory.
Didn’t he hold out and enter the draft a second time?
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
These Subway commercials with the crinckly bags actually make me want Wendy’s.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
“Opposite-sex repellant? Whatever, my girlfriend’s undiscriminating. Yeah, I’ll have fries with that.”
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But the actor who masterfully created that persona, which is intended to repel you?
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Francona — whoever told you the Harry Potter glasses were a good look on you was lying.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
BTW, if my little poll is any indication, you guys are morphing into clones of Indians fans circa 1973.
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So does the entire city of Philadelphia.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just tuned into the Browns game for a goal-line Anderception. I feel really sorry for people who care.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh. I should get an insanely angry IM from my co-worker any second now.
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But is he better than Vinny Intercept-averde? Well, probably not.
My uncle says you've got a screw loose.
Your uncle molests collies.
by gorilla_baller on Oct 4, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno. I remember nothing about the old Browns except Eric Metcalf, and him only because he’s my only football card.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
5-3 Tiggers in the 8th, folks. ChiSox at the plate, 2 outs, man on second, Nix at the plate.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Walked. Go-ahead run is Carlos Quentin at the plate. Verlander out.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Royals are down 7-0 in the fourth. They really want that 4th pick.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, so Quentin flares one to shallow center. Granderson was deep, caught it on a lay-out forward dive. I’m mad but impressed.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
At least it wasn’t Victor. I fear for what you two would come up with then.
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Greek food indigestion at Easter Mass with your girlfriend’s parents.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Missed it; was watching CG save the Tigers’ season. What happened?
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
C’mon, ChiSox, I know you guys are big enough d-bags to screw the Tigers over and enjoy it.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, kids, I’m gonna gym it up. Nice work this season. Thanks for the memories.
by fleerdon on Oct 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Stop me, oh ho ho, stop me
Stop me if you think that you’ve heard this one before
Stop me, oh ho ho, stop me
Stop me if you think that you’ve heard this one before
Nothing’s changed
I still hate Drew, oh, I still hate Drew
Only slightly, only slightly more than I used to, my love
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I want to thank everyone for making this season enjoyable even while it was a horrible travesty of baseball. You’ve helped me get through the roughest patch of my life, and I’m grateful.
2009. Oof.
Oh for the love of Pete.
Yes, this place makes this season at least semi-tolerable. Very very very semi-tolerable.
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I was at both Thursday and Friday’s games. Cleveland looked…uninspired.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Crowe is unrelentingly less than you expect him to be.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks guys. Haven’t been around much for the last 2 months, combination of work getting crazy, lack of internet, and a whole lot of Indian sucking. But gamethreads here are the best.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Not over yet? Yikes.
BTW, we’re gonna need some playoff gamethreads, guys.
Captain of the SS [DO NOT TRADE] CHOO
You know, Fernando Cabrera is one of the Indians pitchers that ¡John Farrell! had a hand in developing.
Maybe, but it doesn’t explain why Farrell is in Boston.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Only following on a Gamecast, but Browns/Bengals is starting to look a lot like a tie ballgame.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Anyone watching that game? Is Braylon hurt or just sucking even more than usual?
Il faut d'abord durer.
I asked the same question. Apparently it is the latter.
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
In my mind, the ideal outcome there is the Twins winning in the 9th thanks to some egregiously blatant sign stealing by Mauer. Tigers miss the playoffs, Mauer gets knocked off the pedestal.
Il faut d'abord durer.
I don’t mind Mauer on the pedestal. He’s earned it.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so you’re saying I’ve got time to run out and re-stock on beer?
by APV on Oct 4, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Twins put an interesting light on the complaint that we traded two Cy Youngs.
They lost Santana and Liriano … and they’re still competitive.
Our problem was never losing C.C. and Cliff. Our problem was that we also lost Jake and Fausto.
C’mon, Niuman. Rush the mound. You don’t have anything going on for the next little while.
2009. Oof.
He could earn a suspension, and by the time he gets back to the majors, nobody would even remember.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Season.
It’s been a lot of fun despite the unending misery. Thanks, everyone. :)
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It hasn’t been that much fun. It’s been a lot less awful, but still a lot less than fun.
by Jay on Oct 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Finds Andy Marte’s house and p—sses on his lawn.
Captain of the SS [DO NOT TRADE] CHOO
by westbrook on Oct 4, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it’s hard for me to accurately measure up the galactic suck of this season against 40 years of spread-out suck from the mid 50s to early 90s.
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Here let me help. In 50 some years of watching bad Indians baseball this diffinitely was in the bottom three. If we wouldda started out with the same guys we finished with I’m pretty sure this would be in the top 3 or 4 worst teams of all time, the 1899 Spiders being the Gold Standard.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Worst team since 1991. That team:
Joel Skinner C (Sandy Alomar)
Brook Jacoby 1B (Mike Aldrete)
Jerry Browne 2B (Mark Lewis)
Felix Fermin SS
Carlos Baerga 3B
Albert Belle LF (Glenallen Hill, Beau Allred)
Alex Cole CF (Mike Huff)
Mark Whiten RF (Turner Ward, Wayne Kirby)
Chris James DH (Carlos Martinez)
Greg Swindell
Chuck Nagy
Eric King
Rod Nichols
Tom Candiotti
Dave Otto
Steve Olin
Shawn Hillegas
Jeff Shaw
Doug Jones
Jesse Orosco
I actually remember that team really well…
Four homers in one game! Oh, and Grover’s fav-or-ite Tribesman, Glenallen HIll.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Don’t forget James’ 9 RBI game. Probably half of his year’s total.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Oct 5, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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