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Subtitled "The high-payroll Yankees won again, but that's no reason for a baseball salary cap"
Here is a guy that really needs to read Posnanski...

2 months ago C06d5-abhor_tiny stuart dean 12 comments 0 recs  | 

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Howard,

Baseball drastically needs a salary cap. If it doesn’t it might soon start losing fans of my ilk. The reason why this is so is something I wrote under a pen name here.

The situation is bad and getting worse because the big money teams are getting smarter. For a small market team to win, everything has to come together at the exact same time because if your hitters mature and come off contract before your pitchers do, you’ll have a mediocre good-hitting team followed by a mediocre good-pitching team because the large market team took your hitters. It is sort of like the rhythm method in reverse and just as effective… It may very well be a waste of time for me to continue to root for the Indians because the mlb house odds are skewed. They may win but the odds are strongly against it. Some have argued with me that I should watch as I love the game and I shouldn’t need a WS win to justify my fandom but if the game is rigged, how can I continue to love and support a fraud?

To your point of the Yankees not winning every year, I say three things:
A I hope that they win ten World Series in a row so that the parity parrots can stop parroting their fallacies
B The Yankees and other large market teams are getting smarter and are using their money more wisely.
C A dominant team in baseball will still lose every three out of eight games. If you combine this with the small sample size of the playoffs and the best team doesn’t always win – lucky teams and/or hot teams frequently do…

The last point is very, very important and is the essential answer to your logic. To read more on this, please check out Posnanski here:

by stuart dean on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Since 1985, only six teams have won the World Series with the highest player payroll in the game.

Payroll in its own way represents a straw argument

There’s a straw argument here, but it’s not the one you’re thinking of….

Gee, only six times in 25 seasons? Because obviously if there’s not parity then that means the single highest payroll team wins the World Series, what, every year? Seems to me one team winning every four seasons (in fact, every three since 1992 if we’re allowed to arbitrarily pick a year that best supports our position) is pretty damn good evidence that they have a ridiculous advantage, when there are 30 teams in the game.

Stuart’s point C is critical. To make it more concrete, let’s play with some numbers. Suppose a team is favored 3:2 in any given playoff game (pretty high odds, considering that they’re presumably playing one of the top 10 or so teams). If the odds are accurate (that is, they really do have a 60% chance of winning each individual game), the chances that team will win all three series in the current playoff format is only a bit over 1/3 (in fact, 34.4%). So a high-payroll team could win their division for 24 straight years, and have heavily stacked odds in the playoffs (to the tune of 3:2 in their favor), and you’d only expect them to win about 8 championships over that stretch.

If we just look at the last 15 seasons (i.e., the wildcard era), the Yankees have 4 championships — only one fewer than you’d expect under my fairly extreme scenario above. You’re telling me that’s somehow not a rigged system?

by Logodaedalus on Nov 18, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

blockquote fail

by Logodaedalus on Nov 18, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the blockquote may be a fail, but the point is extremely successful.

by hans on Nov 19, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice freaking job! As you made my point much better than I did, can you please ghostwrite all my future posts?

by stuart dean on Nov 19, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yanks have 5 titles, no?

96, 98, 99, 00, 09?

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Nov 21, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh… yeah, but he didn’t list 98. Possibly there was someone else with a higher payroll? Doesn’t seem likely. Or maybe he just made a mistake.

by Logodaedalus on Nov 22, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore. Which raises a question in my opinion. If much smaller markets than NY could at one point raise payroll to similar numbers to the Yankees, how much is it the market, and how much is it smart businessmen?

by 7foot3 on Nov 23, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1998 was an eon ago in terms of baseball economics. If nothing else, consider that the YES Network didn’t start broadcasting until 2002.

And your comment may be the first time in recorded history that “Peter Angelos” and “smart businessman” were used together, at least in regards to anything other than mesothelioma litigation.

by FredOx on Nov 23, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What year did the issue of SI come out with all of the baseball player salaries and faces pictured across the front cover? …Looking it up (4/20/87)…

OMG!! Jack Clark makes $1.3M!!!

by APV on Nov 23, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is 100% the market, 0% smart businessmen.

by Jay on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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