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2009 AL Central Off-Season Transactions and Rumors

Maybe this can be a good dumping place to talk about all the AL Central transactions or rumors that happen this winter. I will be able to update this post every day.

 

Chicago White Sox:

  • Signed Omar Vizquel
  • Signed Andruw Jones
  • Signed Mark Teahen
  • Signed J.J. Putz
  • Acquired Juan Pierre (for 2 minor league PTBNL)

 

Kansas City Royals:

  • Signed Bryan Bullington (minor league contract)
  • Signed Yasuhiko Yabuta
  • Signed Jason Kendall

 

Detroit Tigers:

 

Minnesota Twins:

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Mods?! It is the Rockers you should fear.

by stuart dean on Nov 27, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

What about the mockers?

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Nov 28, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Feet the Mockers.

Wait 'til next millennium!

by emd2k3 on Dec 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Jay’s new avatar?

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Dec 3, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Unlikely, since I don’t even know what that is (other than a photo of Sting).

Lots of Jay commentary today. Boring.

by Jay on Dec 3, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Sting as " Ace Face" the coolest of all the Mods who, when he wasn’t brawling with the Rockers, … worked as a bellboy.

by Harry Doyle on Dec 4, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember him from those crazy days.

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Dec 5, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

ah yes i believe i have this on vhs laying around somewhere

by hans on Dec 6, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That avatar still cracks me up.

by gte619n on Nov 28, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

The TIgers are apparently trying to unload, well, everybody.

Big financial issues, it seems.

by afh4 on Nov 28, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

The Tigers have six players making eight figures this year: Magglio Ordonez(notes) (who turns 36 in January) at $18 million, Miguel Cabrera(notes) (hopefully sober for opening day) at $15 million, Carlos Guillen(notes) at $13 million and – get ready to gag on a slice of Little Caesars – $34.5 million for Jeremy Bonderman(notes), Dontrelle Willis(notes) and Nate Robertson(notes) (combined 2008: 3-8 in 43 games, with a 6.53 ERA and a 57-to-64 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 93 2/3 innings). All but Cabrera are dead money…

-Jeff Passan

Wow. I didn’t realize it was all that ridiculous.

by afh4 on Nov 28, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The Tigers are still top 5ish (?) in attendance for last year. Unless there is some kind of precipitous drop in tickets for next year, I can’t see them unloading all those players.

Gammons blog:

One Tigers source emphatically told Gammons “there will be no fire sale. [Owner] Mike Ilitch wouldn’t allow it.
LINK

by Toxicadam on Nov 29, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

What am I missing here? Why would the Tigers want to unload Granderson? Isn’t that the same thing as the Indians trying to deal Grady this winter? I can only imagine that Tigers fans would be extremely upset. Even further, he’s a tiny bit cheaper than Grady in 2010, also had a slightly down year (which would undervalue his trade potential at present tense) and is signed through 2012 with an option for 2013. His name isn’t on that list of big contracts, but he keeps getting trotted out as trade bait. What did I miss?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Dec 7, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Granderson’s tools don’t quite measure up to Grady, and he’s basically a platoon player, albeit one hell of a platoon player.

by Jay on Dec 7, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I though if anything tool-wise Grandy had a better arm, but was otherwise pretty similar. Grady hits leftys better, but that’s pretty much the extent of it, no? Granderson played in 160 games last year. Are you saying he should be a platoon player? I only really watch the Tigers when they’re playing the Tribe, but was under the impression that Granderson was pretty damn good.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Dec 7, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Granderson posted a sub-500 OPS vs-LHP in 2009, for the second time in three seasons. Small sample warning applies, but yes, I am saying he should not be starting against LHP, and I’m not the first one to say it, either.

Grady is also the better baserunner, both on balls in play and on steals. And while you have to respect Granderson’s 30 HR campaign, I think once Grady is healthy, he’s going to show a significantly higher ceiling than that. Remember, Grady his 28 big-league bombs at age 23, the same age when Granderson hit 21 HR in Double-A.

They are similar talents, but Grady is just a little better in a few different ways.

by Jay on Dec 7, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

imagine platooning him with Gutz.

by westbrook on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you’d be smarter to play them alongside eachother for their D alone, though.

by westbrook on Dec 7, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

No matter how dazzling the defense, the bat still counts.

by Jay on Dec 8, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Buster_ESPN
  
Heard this: The Indians’ preference might be giving their internal candidates a chance to play, instead of inking vet FAs to $800,000 deals.

Tweet-a-leet.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Nov 30, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

And real earth-shattering too.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually this would bode well for Brown, wouldn’t it?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Nov 30, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You and Jordan Brown…

by gte619n on Nov 30, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

sitting in a tree?

Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!

by USSChoo on Nov 30, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but only to about 70.

Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!

by USSChoo on Dec 1, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate Jordan Brown.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Dec 1, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, Mimi.

Wait 'til next millennium!

by emd2k3 on Dec 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

3 years? 3rd base? 3 foreheads?

by Brick. on Dec 3, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I don’t think I’d want him for 3 years.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 3, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

@ $6 million per, no less.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 3, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

plus a $1M buyout for year 4. which they might as well just give him now.

by Brick. on Dec 3, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is Ibañez Contract II. The Phillies are willing to take on some unreasonable contract dollars in 2011 and 2012, because they have a championship core of players in place right now, all in their primes, and that won’t last forever. The club is more or less in all-out “go for it” mode.

Howard and Rollins are signed through 2011 (as is Ibañez). Lee and Blanton are under club control through 2010 only, and Hamels may be a guy you trade rather than extend in his 2012 walk year. Utley is locked up through 2013, but he’ll be 33 by the time the 2012 season starts.

by Jay on Dec 3, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I didn’t realize Utley was quite that old. If Polanco ends with an OPS over 720 I’ll be surprised. Then again if he OPS 700 in the regular season and 900 in the playoffs, the point is moot.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 4, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, if you assume they make the playoffs despite his 700 OPS.

by Jay on Dec 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the assumption, which I’m not really making.. just posturing.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Phillies’ 3B OPS in 2008 and 2009: .695 and .686, respectively. 700 would be an improvement.

by FredOx on Dec 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Feliz looked lost in the WS.

by JulioBernazard on Dec 8, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, 3-for-18 on BIP.

He sure didn’t look lost in Game 4, when he tied the game twice — RBI single in the 4th off Sabathia, then a solo shot off Justin in the 8th. He started a big rally in Game 3 with double.

He also had the Championship-winning RBI the year before.

by Jay on Dec 9, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually vividly remember these moments, thinking he had a monster playoff season. But I think I actually like these numbers from someone with his expectations. Doesn’t really do much until he sneaks up on you and single-handedly changes the game.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember him looking like a fool in the final couple games. Context is everything.

by JulioBernazard on Dec 9, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

In which case he also single-handedly changes the game… with suckitude.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 10, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The point is that Feliz was a glorified role player on that club. Great defender, replacement level hitter. The fact he could surprise you with a timely hit now and again was strictly a bonus.

by Jay on Dec 10, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Murton was released by the Rockies today to pursue a career in Japan. This has nothing to do with anything, but a) he is my longest-standing player crush since I came to LGT, and b) I’m pretty sure I like him a lot more than Trevor Crowe for any number of rational or irrational reasons.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Dec 7, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Hoynes today, writing from Indianapolis:

-Just asking? If Ryan Garko gets non-tendered Saturday by the Giants, would the Indians go after him as a right-handed hitting first baseman?

by odradek on Dec 7, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

right-handed hitting first baseman

fixed

by stuart dean on Dec 7, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

-Just asking? If Ryan Garko Sucks gets non-tendered Saturday by the Giants, would the Indians go after him as a right-handed hitting first baseman?

by Brick. on Dec 7, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Since Garko is a former Indian at this point, do the cledotcommers pine for the days when he was manning first or is he too recent to count?

Bring back Garko!

by Roger Dorn on Dec 7, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

at least Acta won’t put him out of position.

by westbrook on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ve got fingers crossed as you say that, right?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Dec 7, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

-Just asking? If Ryan Garko gets non-tendered Saturday by the Giants, would the Indians go after him as a right-handed hitting first baseman outfielder?

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 8, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Just asking? If Ryan Garko Hans gets non-tendered a sub from Jimmy Johns Saturday by the Giants Steelyard Commons, would the Indians Turk go after him as a right-handed hitting first baseman for being one of those guys never maturing past his college years?

by hans on Dec 8, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, no I don’t have beef with Jimmy John’s. I’m more likely go after you for patronizing the anti-urban atrocity that is Steelyard Commons.

"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay

by Turkmenbashi on Dec 9, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha, I’ll give you that. Apart from an occasional trip to Jimmy Johns I never go there.

by hans on Dec 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t hit up IHOP for dinner?

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I’ve been to that IHOP there once dear sir, as the saying goes, “fool me once, shame on IHOP, fool me twice shame on me”.

by hans on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Or as a recent President declared, “…won’t get fooled again.” There are just to many amazing budget places to eat in the adjoining neighborhoods to consider eating at Steelyard. It amazes and disgusts me to see all the cars in the parking lot at Steak n’ Shake. I’m confident that land will be an empty lot once again when the 15-year tax abatements are up and the boxes and chains refuse to pay real taxes and vacate for some other excuse.

I do admit buying plastic ponchos at the Deals junk store for Tribe games where I expect rain. Two for a dollar and they’re clear so folks can still admire my jersey.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on Dec 10, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like Pavano is accepting arbitration from the Twins.

by westbrook on Dec 7, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Betancourt accepted arb from the Rockies.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 8, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Jon Heyman is reporting a 3-way trade:

yanks to get granderson; e. jackson, i. kennedy to dbacks; scherzer, schlereth, a. jax, coke to tigers.

by FredOx on Dec 8, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

This is very interesting.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Dec 8, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

so:

Yankees trade Kennedy, Austin Jackson, and Coke for Granderson.

Tigers trade Granderson and Edwin Jackson for Scherzer, Schlereth, Austin Jackson and Coke.

Dbacks trade Scherzer and Schlereth for Edwin Jackson and Kennedy.

seems like the d-backs are on the short end of this.

by Brick. on Dec 8, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree. I think it’s a great deal for the Tigers unfortunately.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 8, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

that’d be my initial feeling too

by APV on Dec 8, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing I realized looking at the stats for this is that Jackson is only a year older than Scherzer. Obviously the latter is under team control for a lot longer, but in my mind Scherzer was way younger since he’s only been in the majors two years.

*sigh*

by zempf on Dec 8, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s interesting, I just assumed he was a few years older.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Scherzer is also less likely to be a fluke.

by westbrook on Dec 8, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep forgetting that two consecutive successful major league seasons is less impressive than none. Particularly at basically the same age.

The once and future

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Dec 8, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

holy he**

Arizona is stupid.

by westbrook on Dec 8, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The White Sox have extended the Mark Teahen Experience.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 8, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

obligatory

by APV on Dec 8, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This is too nuts for me to not post somewhere:


Walking through the lobby turned up an interesting find. One baseball official says the Texas Rangers offered pitcher Neftali Feliz and first baseman Justin Smoak for Florida’s Josh Johnson.

That is nuts.

Offer them Grady.

by afh4 on Dec 8, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

I’d give them any of our starting pitchers for those two. I might even give them TWO of our starting pitchers for those two.

by NickFantana on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

and Ryan Church has been DFA.

by westbrook on Dec 8, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Most similar batter: Jody Gerut.

by afh4 on Dec 8, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d take Jody as our 4th OF in a heartbeat.

by westbrook on Dec 9, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Plays good defense, and put up a .845 OPS [yeah, IN] when he got regular playing time in 2008.

by westbrook on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

His playing time wasn’t that much different in 2009, and he put up a 654.

I think his 765 career OPS is a fair estimate of his ability. He’s good in the corners, below average in CF, and very injury-prone.

by Jay on Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hoynes suggests Jensen or C. Perez as Wood’s replacement. I am wondering if he watched Lewis pitch last year at all while covering the team.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 9, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Covering the team might be a stretch. Hoynes seems like a pretty big guy, but not that big.

by APV on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Jensen “knows how to close.”

by Jay on Dec 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

too bad he doesn’t “know how to lift the toilet seat”

by APV on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Chatted with some Rays fans earlier today. They seem to think the PTBNL is most likely Talbot. I’d be okay with that, but I’m quietly hoping Shapiro made it sting a little harder.

by fleerdon on Dec 9, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I have to think it’s someone we’ve never heard of. This team is not built for 2010 at all at this point. I’d think he’d want a guy who is a scheduled 2011 arrival at the earliest with some upside left.

by afh4 on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

They floated Alex Cobb.

by fleerdon on Dec 9, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems more likely to me.

by afh4 on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Cobb looks like he would be a good get. Apparently has some sink to a low 90s fastball as well.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t forget to list Granderson as a lost asset in the initial post as well.

by talonk on Dec 9, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

I agree … Tox, you’ll want to include who was sent packing in each team’s list of updates, too, I would think.

by Jay on Dec 9, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok thanks.

I wish the auto-liner worked better. When I run it, it only creates hyperlinks for about 1/3 of the players.

by Toxicadam on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s very particular on spelling. Also, they just fixed a bug that missed hyphenated names, like Shin-Soo Choo.

by Jay on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

DANGIT MARIAH, YOU FORGOT AN ACCENT MARK

by westbrook on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Lyon to Houston.

At 15 million over 3.

What in the world does Houston think it’s doing?

by afh4 on Dec 10, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

How does Ed Wade still have thatj job?

by westbrook on Dec 10, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

And people wondered why Acta would choose Cleveland over Houston.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wondered the opposite at the time. I thought, if Acta is at all sophisticated about the game, how can he possibly choose Ed Wade over Mark Shapiro, regardless of his personal history?

by Jay on Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Which he alluded to in his initial press conference.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 10, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite Houston move ever is when they traded for Randy Wolf at mid-season in a non-contending year, because they thought it would give them a better chance of signing him in the off-season (it didn’t).

by Toxicadam on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Winning the FanGraphs award (even though you hate them) for worst signing of the Winter so far.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t hate them. They just…confuse me.

by afh4 on Dec 10, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

aaaaand they add Pedro Feliz.

Rotoworld apparently isn’t aware of the GM… it’s probably 3/20.

McTaggart didn’t reveal financial details, but it should be close to the one-year, $4 million mark reported earlier

by westbrook on Dec 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Rule V just went down, can’t find a link anywhere except twitter, which I don’t have the ability to link to at work. We lost Lofgren and selected a Diamonbacks pitcher.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 10, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Rule V? Are we in Rome?

by Jay on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought it was based on a specific section of the rule book which was numbered using roman numerals.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 10, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It has never, ever been “Rule V.” Not for one day.

by Jay on Dec 10, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s disappointing.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 10, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a common misconception, though. I’ve seen AP stories today referring to Rule V. The closest I’ve been able to come to an explanation is this, from a Hardball Times piece by Steve Treder:

It’s formally documented in Roman numeral form as "Rule V" in the constitution of the National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues
It’s Rule 5.

by FredOx on Dec 10, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

But V does rule (at least the original)

by APV on Dec 10, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Roger has taken the maxim, “When in Rome, do as the Romans” and generalized it to “Do as the Romans.”

by Logodaedalus on Dec 10, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That expression … doesn’t really apply to what we’re talking about.

by Jay on Dec 10, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m missing something.

by Logodaedalus on Dec 11, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Offseason, not in our usual good shape.

by Jay on Dec 11, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely a bit rusty — my banter needs oiling.

by Logodaedalus on Dec 12, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I did spend 4 months in Rome

by Roger Dorn on Dec 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Royals release Mike Jacobs. Happy to see his 3 HR against us out of the division.

by westbrook on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

White Sox sign Putz

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 11, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Thank god the Indians aren’t stupid enough to sign Jason Kendall as their everyday pitcher (and pass on Miguel Olivo and John Buck). And sign a 35-year-old catcher to a two-year deal.

by odradek on Dec 13, 2009 3:24 AM EST reply actions  

the royals signed kendall to pitch? he might have more value there come to think of it…

by Brick. on Dec 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s an innings eater.

by odradek on Dec 13, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

and everyday pitcher gives you an awful lot of roster flexibility

by APV on Dec 13, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But you need a 14-man bullpen.

by odradek on Dec 13, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

White Sox get Juan Pierre from the Dodgers. He can’t hit, but he’s fast and plays a decent outfield. Plus they have need someone to occupy the Scott Podsednik endowed chair of slap-hitting outfielders position.

by APV on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Chicago is remaking itself as Bad Contract Dump Central.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 15, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Except they’re only paying 8 million over 2.

by afh4 on Dec 15, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

How many other teams would pay that much for Pierre, or be willing to negotiate on taking Pierre of LA’s hands? Kenny Williams may have found a market inefficiency to exploit. A costly one, to be sure, and highly speculative (which Alex Rios shows up?), but a market niche nonetheless.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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