Another reason to hate CC
CC says that he's trying to recruit LeBron to NY.
I know this is more of a basketball story, but I just can't help how much I despise CC right now. I went so far as to watch Legally Blonde with my wife last night instead of listening to him spew filth on Jay Leno's show. Yeah, Legally Blonde. And I'm not ashamed to admit that I'd watch it a thousand times again if it means not hearing CC say how much he loves NY and that this team overcame obstacles or some other nonsense.
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I was at the game last night and CC showed up halfway during the first quarter so that he would get noticed walking to his floor seats. The crowd started a loud CC chant and it made me physically sick to my stomach.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The quotes after the game is what had me running for the water closet:
And Sabathia would like to see James in his new town.
“No doubt. This is it. This is the stage he wants to play on,” Sabathia said. “And I think he’ll be great here.”
Asked what he would tell James about what it’s like to play in New York, Sabathia gushed, “There’s nothing like winning here. There’s nothing like playing here. The fans and just the whole experience. There’s nothing you can compare it to. And I’m just happy that I made the right decision.”
Sabathia said he wasn’t sure if James will come here.
“I’m trying. I’m trying hard,” he said. “By doing these interviews and doing these different things, I’m trying hard.”
Those and the picture from the linked story.
by The DiaTriber on Nov 7, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, ARod was getting killed for that hat even by the home fans.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 7, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me sick to my stomach. I’m not even a Cavs fan, anymore. But I root for the City of Cleveland like nobody’s business.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Nov 8, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if Lebron is going to leave, there is no better place than New York. That franchise is a mess and the media will eat him alive.
by Toxicadam on Nov 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True, I suppose. They have some nice pieces in Gallinari and Lee, but overall the talent is pretty thin. I think the Nets would be a better fit in LeBron. I’m also hoping when the Nets move temporarily to Newark, they end up permanently staying there. There is a struggling city that could certainly use a basketball team to attract people to the city, and if LeBron is there, even better!
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
by Joe. on Nov 9, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been to Newark. I wonder if even LeBron would be enough to attract people to Newark.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This maybe the one right thing
Cazzi Culonehas done this year. If he can convince LeStunod to get outta town, I’d be tickled pink.
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by mauichuck on Nov 7, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not quotes, Italics – sheesh, you’d think this was the first time I ever did this!
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by mauichuck on Nov 7, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If James leaves it will help the Indians, a bad Browns team for years to come and a bad Cavs team, the fans will need to spend their money somewhere.
Fan in Texas
by fanintexas on Nov 7, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
how do you figure him leaving would help the Indians? The seasons overlaps for only April and May.
How will that make fans spend money on an Indians product that they (rightfully) view as inferior and second-rate?
by lenred on Nov 8, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how LeBron leaving would help the Indians. Even if you don’t like basketball, no true Cleveland fan can want the best player in the NBA to leave the city of Cleveland — that’s just ridiculous. In no way does him leaving Cleveland help the city. He’s our best chance to win a championship.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think the Cavs sucking again would free up disposable income in the city? That’s a small and shrinking pot of cash. Of course, Dan Gilbert will soon have a second way to get his hands on Cleveland’s entertainment dollars.
by CBusSteve on Nov 10, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woah woah woah woah. Wait just a minute here.
Legally Blonde and Leno were your only two choices? Seriously? Do you have cable?
I just wasn’t aware that people watched Leno.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 8, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no. I do not have cable. I pay $9 per month for the “survival line” package as The Company calls it. It provides local channels, ION, WGN, and through some glitch, Spike, Oxygen, TVOne, Turner Classic Movies and (thankfully) STO.
I watch a lot of movies and tv on the internet.
by lenred on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t believe they give you STO in that package. That’s amazing. I pay about nine bucks for every 15 games.
by Jay on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I realized I didn’t stress this part enough: I think I only get STO through a glitch. I’m almost certain it’s due to an incomplete job by the cable guy of disconnecting my cable when I had it a few years ago.
I actually called the cable company to ask them to fix it b/c it was fuzzy sometimes and they were like “um, yeah, you shouldn’t have those channels anyway. What’s your address?” Me: “okthanksbye!” click.
by lenred on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a close call. Just hope you never need anymore service calls so it doesn’t get “fixed”.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Nov 11, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The “getting Spike & STO” part or the “I don’t have cable” part? I’ve heard both.
by lenred on Nov 8, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes I too do not have cable as the internet seems to suffice as far as entertainment goes. Sports is a problem though, what cable company do you have?
by hans on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’re on Time Warner.
I do miss ESPN, especially SportsCenter. But honestly, with most games on STO, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, there’s really not many games I miss. Plus, if there’s something I really want to watch, there’s always the local pub. Happy hour means I watch the game for ~$10. Since I only do that maybe once per month, I figure I’m saving around $80 per month b/c I’d be paying $100 for cable.
by lenred on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do miss ESPN, especially SportsCenter.
This actually is what I don’t miss at all (plus stupid commercials) about not having cable. I’ve got Cox cable out here, I’ll have to check in on the STO thing, cause that would be a nice deal for summer.
by hans on Nov 9, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both I think. I guess it’s easy to get what you need on the computer, but not having 100 channels that I would never watch seems unthinkable to me.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 9, 2009 5:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It really was an adjustment. But after about 3 weeks, I got used to it.
Plus, it made it that much easier to avoid hearing a ton of pompous media-types blowing smoke up the Yankees and saying how great they are. (trying to pull this back to baseball-relatedness).
by lenred on Nov 9, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this, I find myself dealing with less aggravation due to this.
by hans on Nov 9, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I’m not gonna watch this channel that has a documentary about extreme chess players. But it’s nice to know it’s there. Like if my girlfriend leaves me and Lincecum becomes my roommate.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 9, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know Lincecum was a big extreme chess fan.
by Nat on Nov 10, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about you, but back when I smoked a lot, I would watch just about anything.
by ameliorate on Nov 10, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I’d actually buy that cable package. Might have to look into it.
Finally convinced my dad that Jeter is immensely hatable.
by westbrook on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had it at 2 addresses now, with 2 different cable companies. You really gotta talk them down to it. They really want to get you onto any cable package higher. One of the companies let slip that they created it to target apartment complexes. Some of them require you to have cable to view the security channel and see who is buzzing your apartment. This package was designed to give you that channel and the local channels clearly.
by lenred on Nov 10, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No STO is a dealbreaker.
Finally convinced my dad that Jeter is immensely hatable.
by westbrook on Nov 11, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it was intentional. Also, Spike is very static-y in the summer, but usually clear in the winter.
I’ve come to appreciate the older movies on TCM. North by Northwest, Psycho, Casblanca, Rear Window. There’s some good old stuff out there that I never watched before.
by lenred on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
was supposed to be a reply to Jay’s reply to me.
by lenred on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So… Hitchcock.
The once and future
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Nov 8, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the whole disliking CC for picking money over loyalty, kind of, but what’s wrong with him saying he really likes his new city? What’s he supposed to say? And if he loves the place so much, why wouldn’t he want to bring his friend?
But I’m totally with you guys on the Teixeira/God thing. What a load of crap.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
by Joe. on Nov 9, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he said there’s nothing like winning in NY….. I mean come on, they had the deck stacked in their favor, how is that all that special?
by hans on Nov 9, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s nothing like a sea of morons who think you are as awesome as you think you are in your own head?
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Nov 9, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
he said there’s nothing like winning in NY…
It’s extremely un-special … not that C.C. would know.
The reason C.C. didn’t win it all outside of NYC was … C.C. himself.
“That’s why I signed,” Sabathia said of the core group from New York’s run of four World Series titles from 1996-2000. “These guys had the experience in these tough games and tough situations and they shined through this postseason.”
Yes, he signed becuase of “these guys” … never mind the fact that the rest of his team was good enough to beat the Red Sox to become strong World Series favorites in 2007 … without signing with the Yankees.
Sabathia will never know what a “special” championship really is. He just proved everything I said about him last winter. He didn’t want to earn it, he just wanted to be there for the parade.
by Jay on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I regretfully concede every damn point you (and the rest) were trying to get me to understand last year. Screw you, C.C.
by Voltaire on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think CC is much worse. I don’t recall Thome openly recruiting like fatso.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Argh. I don’t even care about basketball or the Cavs, for that matter. It’s the principle of the thing.
by Voltaire on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are much classier ways to handle the questions he was asked. I was watching, and I can’t remember being more annoyed at an interview. And baseball means a hell of a lot more to me than the NBA.
by kennesawmountainwahoo on Nov 9, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CC is the new Thome.
Thome was the new Belle.
Ergo, CC is the new Belle.
by lenred on Nov 9, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish the Indians would have offered Belle the 5/45 contract he wanted after ‘96. I’d also like to say that CC is in a class all by himself, it really seems like there was never a chance he’d re-sign with the Indians and that once he won the Cy Young he was rolling on to the highest bidder.
by The Grimace on Nov 10, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really wish we would have offered Belle that contract?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Belle signed a 5 year deal for $45 mm starting in 97. He voided the final 3 years of the deal after getting $10mm per for 97 and 98. He then signed that 5 year deal in 99 with the Orioles for ~$49 mm. So he was getting paid by the Orioles through 03. But he never played after 01. So he was getting paid ~$12 mm per year for 3 years and didn’t play a single game.
I couldn’t be happier they didn’t sign him to that contract. Granted his ‘98 season with the ChiSox was great. But if he didn’t have that opt-out, at the very least, you’d sink $13 mm in 00 for a player that wasn’t playing.
He was the highest paid player in the game from ’97-00.
by lenred on Nov 10, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I really wish they would have. You’d have gotten 4 years of solid production and one year of insurance covering his 9 million dollar salary.
by The Grimace on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It never makes sense to consider insurance in these discussions. If you have insurance, then you had to pay for it, so you have to add in that cost. Insurance generally also comes with a deductible in terms of days on the DL and usually doesn’t cover 100% of salary anyway.
Belle was essentially a league-average left fielder in 1997 and 2000, yet you wish we’d paid him the highest salary in the game for those two seasons. He also had the highest salary in the game in 1998, when he might have been the best player in the game, and in 1999, when he was perhaps the 20th best player. That leaves 2001, when he contributed absolutely nothing but still had the 8th highest salary.
His departure led to our bringing in Williams, Justice and Grissom (while shipping out Lofton). Williams was later swapped for Fryman. We also worked out a very nice extension with Thome, moving his walk year from 1998 to 2002, and of course we signed Robbie Alomar for the last three years of Belle’s would-be five year deal. It’s not clear we make any of these moves with Belle’s contract on the books, and it’s very clear that we don’t make all of them.
We won the 1997 pennant without Belle, as well as the 1998 and 1999 division titles. We in fact scored 1009 runs, the most of any team since 1950, without Belle in 1999. We could have used some help in 2000, but Belle had an 817 OPS that season.
I’mj sure there’s some reason why you wish we’d have signed Belle, but it can’t have anything to do with winning more ballgames. Remember, too, that as with the Thome negotiations, there is no reason to think that the we could have had him with a $45 million bid.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If Albert had been playing for the Indians in game seven of the 1997 Series (Marquis Grissom in the house), the Tribe has a championship.
by odradek on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Have you actually looked at his post season numbers? In ’95 he hit .239 for the whole post season, .235 in the WS. In ’96 he hit .200 in 18 AB. These were after his two biggest regular seasons. He had OPS+ of 177 in 95, then 158 in ’96. In ’97, he played more games than 95 and 96, but only put up OPS+ of 116. How does that translate to us winning the WS in ’97?
If you want to go further and look through the box scores and play “what if” based on his expected batting spot of #4, I don’t see any spot that David Justice didn’t perform where Belle would have. In the top of the 5th of game 7, Vizquel was on 3rd with 2 outs and Justice struck out. That’s it. There’s no reason to believe Belle would have done better.
Actually, the only way Belle would have helped the Tribe win the 97 Series, was if he suddenly broke out of his season-long underachieving, broke out of his post-season funk and had 2 HR in game 7. In the other games, he would not have been able to help them win.
by lenred on Nov 10, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re matching an emotional assertion with a reasoned argument supported by empirical fact. How fair is that?
by odradek on Nov 11, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m saying, if it’s Belle-Lofton instead of Justice-Grissom-Wililams that season, we almost certainly don’t get that far. Let’s face it, it was a minor miracle such a mediocre club won two playoff series.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of my wanting in hindsight for Belle to have stayed is to see what would have been different. I am fully aware of all the points you mentioned but part of me wonders how things would have played out differently in Belle stayed. I will agree that Belle probably would not have made much difference in 1997, but I still believe they trade Lofton since he was nearing free agency and was known to be wanting a decent chunk of money. As for the 5/45 Belle contract those numbers are directly from his mouth shortly after he signed with Chicago. Later on he would also say that the escape clause was unique to his negotiations with Chicago and it never came up with the Indians. Belle has been known to talk out of posterior so these comments do come with a grain of salt.
I want to get back to something I touched on earlier though and that would be that I think CC is on a level all by himself when it came to leaving Cleveland, what with the breaking off of negotiations and such. Does anyone here see it differently, is Belle or Thome the bigger jerk in that regard?
by The Grimace on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Each one is a little different. Thome arguably did the most damage, as the club was willing to trade him, but he told them not to (and had the veto).
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to you, C.C. has just made all the points himself by now.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve really got to believe that there would be nothing like bringing a team its first championship in more than half a century. That would be truly special.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Nov 9, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I’m concerned, Cazzi Culone and LeStunod deserve each other. The sooner they’re together the better.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man, if you want Cleveland to suffer more years of championship drought, more power to you. Your Browns certainly ain’t going anywhere soon.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Four words: Head Coach Bill Cowher.
I’m not a Browns fan, but they’ve seriously got to switch it up. What’s Schottenheimer up to these days?
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 9, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, because what we need most as Cleveland fans is washed-up pieces of Pittsburgh teams.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to extend this conversation here, since there are multiple similar conversations at DBN about this very topic but the Browns getting Cowher would be a coup
by Roger Dorn on Nov 9, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Realizing I’m wading way out of my comfort zone here, it seems to me that any fan who doesn’t realize that it would be a coup is way too close to the subject and way too invested in nit-picky narratives. Big picture, this would be an obvious coup.
by Jay on Nov 9, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you’re getting at here. I’m certainly not to close to the subject of the Browns.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 9, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher was also a Brown, you know.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know. Mostly just bitter about this team.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 9, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you wouldda asked me tens ago if I would take a championship from a team led by a local kid who had otherworldly skills, praised his team mates at every opportunity, work incessantly on his skills, but was both an unapologetic Yankee fan and Cowboy fan I wouldda told you to fire up the camel, cuz I’d rather wonder the championship desert than sell my sports soul for ill-gotten trophies.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 9, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s completely absurd. If Grady Sizemore cheers for the Cowboys and Duke (sorry Andrew, only basketball example that came to mind) would you seriously not want the WS win if he could deliver it? What if Cliff Lee had said that all Real Clevelanders were idiots? Then what?
Players come from across the nation, are impacted by nationwide media, grew up with the internet, and come from various walks of life. Expecting them to have the same favorite teams as we do is incredibly myopic. Who cares?
by fwembt on Nov 9, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Expecting them to have the same favorite teams as we do is incredibly myopic. Who cares?
I don’t expect a professional player who grew up elsewhere to root for other Cleveland teams. But I do expect them to have a modicum of class in public.
by Ryan on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree here. LeBron has his favorite teams, same as any other kid. Let him support them in the manner he sees fit. He doesn’t owe his allegiance anywhere.
by fwembt on Nov 10, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I – and other Indians fans – have a right – no make that obligation – to boycott the team he plays for, the merchandize he pimps, and the morons he hangs out with – that and the right to piss and moan about his very existence.
He’s got his rights, and we’ve got our responsibilities
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 10, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still amazes me how you don’t see the irony of this. You’re mad at LeBron for rooting against a Cleveland team, so you counter that by . . . rooting against a Cleveland team.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, absurd. I’m a Cleveland fan. I cheered for Ricky Davis.
by fwembt on Nov 10, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice piece of tag-team work here by the Brads.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you went to school with a kid who rooted for whatever team was the most popular in its sport—nowadays I guess that would be a fan of the Yankees/Red Sox, Celtics, and Steelers—you would hate him. And if you didn’t, it was you.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 10, 2009 5:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of kids grow up rooting for popular teams. Sure, I don’t like it, but that doesn’t make them bad people. I have many students who call themselves Yankees fans or Red Sox fans or Steelers fans or whatever. They’re not bad kids, just misguided. What many here seem to be forgetting is that LeBron (and many others) didn’t grow up with a father to take him to Indians games and teach him how to be a fan. I’m sure that’s where most of us got our sports fandom from. So he did what a lot of people did, and that’s root for whatever team was winning at the time. Yes, fans like that bother me, but they’re not all terrible people.
The major point is that LeBron is the best athlete to play in Cleveland since Jim Brown, and our best chance to win a championship (which we haven’t done since 1964 in case you forgot) so I’ll support him as a Cavs player. Whichever baseball or football team he grew up rooting for is secondary as long as he’s loyal to the Cavs.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying I am not a Cavs fan, but you are grouping everyone together by saying “our” and “we” when in reality a lot of people probably are not Cavs fans here.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 10, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I say “our” best chance to win a championship, I mean Cleveland sports fans. I realize that not everyone likes the NBA as much as baseball or football, but a championship is still a championship and we’ll take whatever we can get. After 40+ years, you can’t really be picky.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be okay, but only one sport matters.
by odradek on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, water polo.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 11, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a discussion we’ve had about one hundred times, but yes, you are at fault if you are a bandwagon sports fan. It’s an extremely pointless and stupid thing to do, there’s no respect in it, and that’s regardless of your upbringing or how good of a person you are in other areas.
I love Cleveland. I love my teams. I want so badly for the Cavs or anyone to win and I watch Lebron in awe. But that doesn’t excuse him being a bandwagon rider.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 10, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t excuse him. He’s a bad sports fan, but that’s not the same as being a bad person. That’s the difference.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly where I fall.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of kids grow up rooting for popular teams. Sure, I don’t like it, but that doesn’t make them bad people.
Actually, it does make them bad people.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that’s the difference. I don’t think we’re in a position to start judging a person’s character. At least, I’m not going to do that.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are few actions a man can take which speak to the totality of his character. Based on this one data point, Lebron is a bad person. Based on Sabathia’s public recruitment of Lebron following his full-page ain’t-I-a-great-guy advertisement “thanking” the fans of Cleveland when he left, Sabathia is a hypocrite.
Can’t understand why you guys are so eager to give these guys a free pass. We are only looking at the information we have. It’s a fallacy to assume that everything we don’t know would support that he’s a great guy.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia comes across as a total jackass with this recruitment thing. The insinuations from his comments along are hypocritical.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if LeBron is a great person or not; I don’t think I ever said that I knew he was. From watching him over the past few years, he seems to be genuinely liked by his teammates (which isn’t always true for superstars) and he hasn’t done anything to get himself in trouble with the law or reflect poorly on him publicly, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great person. I try not to make judgements about a person’s character who I don’t know, and I’m certainly not going to make judgements about a person’s character based on which sports team they root for. You can call him a bad sports fan, but calling him a bad person based is going way too far.
There are many annoying, front-running, bandwagon-jumping Steelers fans in Ohio, and I hate them as sports fans, but I don’t actually think they’re all bad people. Just like I don’t think all Michigan fans are bad people, either. That’s taking sports fandom way too far, when you start defining people solely by which teams they root for — that sounds like Chuck defining who’s a “true Clevelander”.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I’m not sure what you mean by the Michigan point. We’re not arguing that Lebron is being douchey for liking teams we hate, but for liking teams he has absolutely no connection to other than the fact that they win. Hell, a Michigan fan at this point would be the opposite of a bandwagon jumper.
Just remembered seeing this picture on Deadspin, by the way. Tell me you wouldn’t accidentally miss the brakes if you were behind this guy.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 11, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sadly work with a guy who holds the same allegiances. Nice guy otherwise.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds pretty evil to me. He’s probably at least murdered 10 people. I may be underestimating him, though.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
by Joe. on Nov 11, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why you’re so eager to make grand, sweeping generalizations off of one data point.
by Voltaire on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know. i count at least 2 data points. yankees and cowboys.
by Brick. on Nov 10, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Betcha he switches to the Seminoles after the way the Irish have tanked.
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by mauichuck on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word is he’s a HUGE TCU fan.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 10, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron has always been an OSU fan, at least as long as I’ve known. He was buddies with Maurice Clarrett and followed them during their ‘02 championship run. And lately he’s been talking to Terrelle Pryor on the phone giving him support. He claims that he was considering OSU if he was going to play basketball in college but I doubt he seriously thought about attending college at all.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are few actions a man can take which speak to the totality of his character. Based on this one data point, Lebron is a bad person.
I hate getting into this argument, because I still suspect that everyone is joking here.
If not, then there is just a stunning lack of awareness in regards to the kind of class and behavior shown by a huge percentage of sports figures, or an equally stunning ordering of morals. On the latter point, I can get behind the idea that someone would honestly be so offended and pissed about the Yankees that they would hate LeBron and not cheer for your team. But I can not believe that any not be equally upset about the violence, meanness, cheating, egotism, and crime associated with players in all of the major sports. In other words, if you are so upset by LeBron’s Yankee hat that you won’t cheer for his team, how the hell can you cheer for any sports team?
So nothing here has changed my view: this is all a silly contest about who can be the biggest Yankee hater. Cute.
By the way, remember how early in the Indians season, there were so many posts on LGT about the Yankees that people were rightfully saying “Enough already! Let’s cheer for our team instead of fretting about them.” Dumping on the Cavs for LeBron’s hat is taking that kind of insecurity to a whole new level.
by dgcambridge on Nov 12, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I know, there aren’t any Cavs fans here that actually aren’t rooting for the Cavs because of Lebron. Maybe Chuck. But the rest probably weren’t Cavs fans to begin with, and the fans among us still root for the team while acknowledging that Lebron is being a douche. Anyone who roots for a pro sports team knows that players on that team are douches.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 12, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair. And Chuck’s just trolling here. Part of this is that I’ve never cheered for any actual superstar before, and am unaccustomed to the kind of attention that brings on the guy. There’s a world of difference between the quantity and intesity of opinions about LeBron and those about the other Cleveland stars in my lifetime. It’s fun to rip on the superstar, I’m not above that. But this time its my guy.
by dgcambridge on Nov 13, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things: I’m a huge Cavs fan – no really. Started going to games when Mileti owned the team, Walt Wesley was the starting center and they played in the old Arena. Luv the Cavs. Second, I’m not trolling here – if by that you mean being controversial just for the sake of controversy. Again, read Raab’s piece
Here’s the money quote:
As far as I’m concerned, LeBron James is worthless scum. The sooner this son of a bitch hauls his ass out of Ohio, the better. And any Cleveland “fan” who pays to see the bastard play after this should follow him out of town and straight to hell.
I share these sentiments but even I haven’t gone this far.
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by mauichuck on Nov 13, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can safely say I was one of the few fans consistently in attendance at Cavs games in the late 90s
by Roger Dorn on Nov 13, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just mean you enjoy pushing our buttons here. Don’t deny it.
by dgcambridge on Nov 13, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just fullfilling my role as “Old Man” here, but trying to highlight the fallacies of some of this “New Age” thinking. It ain’t “new” and sometimes it ain’t even “thinking”.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 13, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot seriously call yourself a Cavs fan if you’re rooting for the best player to leave the team.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 13, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I originally read that as “Cubs fan” for some reason. Scrolled up looking for the Milton Bradley discussion, found nothing.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
by Joe. on Nov 11, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The major point is that LeBron is the best athlete to play in Cleveland since Jim Brown.
Kevin Mack? Larry Nance? Miguel Dilone?
by odradek on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take Kenny Lofton for the win. NCAA basketball and All-Star baseball. Have you ever seen LeStunod swing a bat? Hillarious!
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by mauichuck on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck, you can’t possibly be serious.
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Brown played HoF caliber football, HoF caliber Lacrosse, and was the second leading scorer on the Syracuse basketball team. In addition to running back Brown was as the Orange’s field goal kicker. That’s the Gold Standard for Cleveland “Best Athletes” (appologies to Jesse Owens). LeStunod, might be one ot he five best basketball players ever – but that’s it. He was a very good high school football player – but so was Casey Blake and Grady Sizemore. Lofton played professional baseball at a very high level – Jay says that Lofton was no worse than the second best player on the 1994 Indians team – one of our all time best. In addition, Mr. Lofton played point guard for a Final Four NCAA basketball team and started at point guard the following year for a Sweet Sixteen caliber college team.
If you can give me a Cleveland athlete with better bona fides, I’m all ears. But LeStunod is not that guy.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Accomplishment and athleticism are not the same thing. Also! I had no idea there was a lacrosse Hall of Fame.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go fwembt. Note the quote: Considered by many to be the greatest to ever play the game of lacrosse. Nuff said.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From an online history of Syracuse basketball:
He was a fantastic boxer. Roy Simmons Jr, the coach of the Syracuse boxing team, thought Brown could have been the heavyweight champion if he dedicated himself to the sport. Brown didn’t play baseball at Syracuse, but he could have. He threw two no-hitters in high school, and the Yankees offered him $150,000 to play for them.
by odradek on Nov 11, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They changed the rules of lacrosse because of Brown.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond wrong on this Chuck. LeStunod would’ve been a college football ace, if his athletic talent didn’t allow him to to skip college for hundreds of millions of dollars.
Also! Lacrosse isn’t a sport. And Jim Brown’s version of lax was just football – the rules changed after him that made it illegal to trap the head of your stick to your chest and run with the ball.
by joeee on Nov 11, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was so good they changed the rules. Brown played the way the Iroquois played.
by odradek on Nov 11, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all. His style of play was the anti-skill.
But when you’re one of the best RBs of your generation, you can do that.
Bron Bron makes a good case for best athlete ever born. Personally, I think he can share the throne with Adrian Peterson.
by joeee on Nov 11, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, buy running over people is a “skill”. Right now what the Browns need – more than a new coach, new GM or new owner – is about 10 guys with that “skill”.
And you need to stop smoking the Kool Aid.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No kool-aid. Lebron is 6’9’’ and moves like he’s 5’9’’. 260 pounds shouldn’t move as fast as he does. He shouldn’t be able to jump as high as he does. He shouldn’t be a fraction as graceful and explosive as he is. He defies what you think someone with his frame could ever do. Lebron would tear the NFL for the years he was healthy. Prolly would’ve been the best soccer player of all time. He’s simply the most dominant, freakiest athlete in the NBA, which is the freakiest league in sports.
Adrian Peterson gets a shout out from that commercial with the high-speed of him sprinting. It’s so sweet.
Stick a massive NFL running back with a bunch of prep-school sissies from 50 years ago and you’ve got Jim Brown playing lacrosse. It just really isn’t lacrosse Chuck.
by joeee on Nov 11, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pulzee, the 2009 Adrian Peterson probably couldn’t crack the starting backfield of the 1959 Browns. In fact, he probably wouldn’t start in front of John Henry Johnson on a very mediocre Steelers team.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. That’s pure hyperbole. Adrian Peterson would be a god if you were to suddenly drop him in the 50s or 60s.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You put Adrian Peterson in the 50s or 60s and he’s Joe Perry.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t even talk to you right now. Look at the man and then look at the average player from then. It’s not even close. He’s a physical freak.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I get it – we’re judging football players like in a beauty contest. So we’re talking about guys that look like football stars. OK how about Rickey Dudley, or Todd Marinovich, or Mike Maluma or Tony Mandarich? All those guys looked like Greek Gods – none or ’em could play football.
Plenty of guys out there look like Tarazan and play like Jane. Plenty.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Peterson is a legitimate star now and is faster, stronger, heavier, more athletic, and just plain bigger than almost anyone who played back then. How is this not registering? He is playing a completely different game.
by fwembt on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Brown
Height: 6’2"
Weight: 232lbs
40 yd dash 4.5
Yards per carry 5.2
Adrian Peterson
Height: 6-1
Weight: 217
40 yd dash 4.4
Yards per carry 4.8
Joe Perry
Height: 6-0
Weight: 200
40 yd dash unknown
Yards per carry 5.0
Those are the facts – something you’ve constantly asking for. Here’s another fact, Jim Brown averaged 5.2 yards a carry for over 9 years, Peterson 4.8 for a little over 2 years. Perry 5.0 yds per carry over 16(!) years.
Peterson should be honored to be mentioned in the same class of NFL runners as Perry. Peterson’s merely the favor of the month. Five years from now and you won’t know him from Ricky Bell and Chuck Foreman. But you will know that he’s no Jim Brown.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 12, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t get the argument against Brown here at all. He is one of the all-time greatest athletes regardless of era.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 12, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not at all arguing against Jim Brown. What I am arguing against is the idea that Adrian Peterson would somehow be just another back if were to suddenly fall into the 1950s.
Jim Brown was great, no argument at all there.
by fwembt on Nov 12, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are the average sizes/speeds of the players Brown and Peterson are running past and over?
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Average size is some kinda indicator – but it only goes so far.
The average lineman back then was closer to 270 than 320 – this is true. But the d-backs and line backers are pretty much the same size. Butkus - the other Gold Standard – played at 6’3" and 244, 10-20 lbs. bigger than most LBs of his era. But then now you’ve got London Fletcher playing now at a very generous 5’9" and 240 or Sam Mills at maybe, maybe 5’9" and 230, and both of those guys could play.
Then you’ve also got guys like Jack Lambert – 6’5" and less than 210 at the end of the season – and Ted Hendricks, 6’7" and 215. Those guys could play some too.
And I never said Peterson would be, “just another running back”. I said he might be Joe Perry, maybe even John Henry Johnson. But J Brown, or Ollie Matson, or Earl Campbell, or OJ – no sorry, the boy just doesn’t have the tools. And I don’t care how good he looks in his Fruit of the Looms.
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by mauichuck on Nov 12, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we all need to face up to the fact that nothing we experience we ever be quite able to measure up to what Chuck experienced in his youth. Face it guys, the peak of human history has come and gone, and Chuck is our best enduring link to it. Anyone who doesn’t understand that just doesn’t get it.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stick a massive NFL running back with a bunch of prep-school sissies from 50 years ago and you’ve got Jim Brown playing lacrosse. It just really isn’t lacrosse Chuck.
that’s the money shot right there. LeBron is facing tougher competition than Jim Brown faced even in football. And that’s not to take anything away from Jim Brown.
This is nothing more than nostalgia for the “good ol’ days.”
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe’s right of course. Even today Lacrosse is still the quintessential white boy sport. But Brown could hoop, box and play baseball – at least two of the things LeStunod can not.
Jim Brown played against the best competion of that age. LeBron the same – I’ll bet a 27 yo Jordan would take him to school. You think that human beings have somehow evolved to a higher specie in one or two generations? Me, I don’t think so.
You give Brown the same nutritional, and training advantages as today’s athelete and he’d be even better – and he’s still the best football player of all time. Here, check this out.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a football fan at all, but the slow-mo of Jim Brown’s run (that starts at the 3:24 mark) is so beautiful that I almost cried.
Spoiler alert: it somehow ends in a touchdown
by jhon on Nov 12, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please say you are being sarcastic on the Peterson claim…he is no more than what Ladanian Tomlinson was, who was no more than what Shaun Alexander was, who was no more than what Priest Holmes was, who was no more than what Marshall Faulk was…se a trend here? And that is just the last decade, and I left quite a few names out. If Peterson can last more than 5 seasons at his current performance than he may barely elevate himself to the level of Emmit Smith or Thurman Thomas.
by The Grimace on Nov 11, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peterson is way better an athlete than Alexander and Holmes ever were.
Finally convinced my dad that Jeter is immensely hatable.
by westbrook on Nov 11, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with Big Purple here. Adrian Peterson, while unbelievable, is not yet “there.” Gotta give it a few years.
by gte619n on Nov 11, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, I couldn’t been the greatest polo player of all time too – if I just couldda had the horese.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the rules changed after him that made it illegal to trap the head of your stick to your chest and run with the ball.
Pansies!
And you’re ignoring Mr. Brown’s basketball skills – at the very least an order of magnitude greate than LeStunod’s football accomplishments.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, Otto Graham?
NFL Hall of Famer. Led the Browns to the championship game 10 times, winning it 7. NFL MVP (or Player of the Year) in 47, 48, 51 and 53.
He also played professional basketball for 1 year, leading his team to a championship title that year.
I also have it from a highly-regarded source who saw him at the Coast Guard that, despite having never before picked up a tennis racket, he played and beat the USCGA’s tennis coach in his first try.
by lenred on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really going to argue that Larry Nance was as good as LeBron? Really? You can’t be serious.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe he forgot Craig Ehlo.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would venture to say of all-time. I would also venture to say you could have said he was the best athlete ever to play in Y city no matter which city he actually played for.
LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.
by Joe. on Nov 11, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe nobody’s mentioned Dave Winfield. He got drafted by 4 different professional teams out of college. and rumor has it that he played for us.
by lenred on Nov 12, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Brown WR Dave Logan? He did get drafted by 3 pro sports franchises as well.
by talonk on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Winfield is in the Baseball Hall of Fame. He was also MVP in one of 2 seasons of the ABA. Logan wasn’t.
by lenred on Nov 12, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’m with Chuck on this one. Would be different if he grew up in New York.
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on . . .he’s not classless. He doesn’t go around trashing Cleveland or the fans or anything like that. He wore a Yankees hat to an Indians game — I don’t like that, but that’s his team and he was supporting it. To call him classless is taking it too far.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lame front-runner, yes. Classless, not even close.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Nov 10, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The first is a form of the second. Lebron has shown class occasionally in other areas, but his conduct as a Yankees fan is historically egregious.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron has shown class often in many other areas, not just occasionally. You are just taking one point, his Yankee fandom, and letting that overrule everything else he’s ever said or done.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because that one thing is especially egregious. It does not have merely equal weight with other demonstrations of his classfulness or classlessness.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You may think it’s especially egrerious, but many others wouldn’t think that. You need to realize that not everyone thinks the way you do about everything, so an egrarious error to you may not be that big of a deal to many other people.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but here’s the thing, Brad: I’m right.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s gonna be a looooooong off-season.
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by mauichuck on Nov 10, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel obligated to mark the occasion with a post every time we agree.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 10, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m right
Shocking that you would think that, Jay.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 10, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s shocking, Brad, is that you still can’t figure out that I know perfectly well that my opinions are only opinions.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet you have so much trouble displaying that knowledge.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why should I have to state it over and over again? Just for you?
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to state it; just don’t act like you’re always right and your opinion is the only one that matters. Make your opinion sound like an opinion, not a fact.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh, so?
I’m comfortable my opinion and also with your misguided, dispassionate, milquetoast disagreement.
This is what you wrote below. So here you’re telling me that you’re just stating your opinion and somehow I can’t understand that, and elsewhere you’re telling me that you’re right and I’m “misguided”. You can’t have it both ways.
If you’re going to act like your opinion is the only correct on then at least admit it. Don’t do it then pretend that you’re just stating your opinion and I’m too stupid to understand the difference.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First, way to take the bait, kudos.
Second, obviously, if I have one opinion, and you have another, it goes without saying that I think you’re wrong. Just as you think that I’m wrong. To pretend otherwise would be dishonest.
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how Brad would write, like, 400 words about his opinon,and Jay would rebut with his own 5 word response.
Way to make Brad work.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 11, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a Yankee fan is not endemic of some deep seated lack of class. It just isn’t. Classy people can be Yankee fans, complete douchebags can be Indian fans. LeBron has demonstrated time and again that he is a generous and classy human being, his Yankee fandom notwithstanding.
by fwembt on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LeBron should call a press conference to repent. He can wear a Chief Wahoo hat and start crying at the podium. He can recant his sports allegiances.
by odradek on Nov 10, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would work for me.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 11, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but being a Yankees fan from Akron is not remotely the same thing as being a Yankees fan. You’d be very hard-pressed to find anyone among your personal acquaintances who roots for the Yankees, with no personal or parental connection to New York, who isn’t at least half a douchebag.
by Jay on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m actually with you on this.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Many people are front-runners. I don’t like it, but it’s a very common thing for people to do — especially kids — who don’t have a connection to a sports team or someone to guide them in their fandom. They root for whichever team they see on TV all the time and who’s winning a lot because it’s easy to do. It’s not right, but it doesn’t make them a bad person.
We need to realize that not everyone views things through the same lense which we view things. What is an egrarious mistake to us might not be a big deal to someone else, and what isn’t a big deal to us might be an egrarious error to someone else.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to realize that not everyone views things through the same lense which we view things.
You need to realize that most people here already understand that. You don’t have to include a disclaimer on your opinion that there are exceptions and special circumstances.
by joeee on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Many people are front-runners. I don’t like it, but it’s a very common thing for people to do
Racism is common, too, especially with people who didn’t receive the proper guidance growing up.
Doesn’t mean we should just wave our hands and go, “Well, okay.”
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 11, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who don’t have a connection to a sports team
this is the whole thing. he did have one. the main one. geography. dude grew up a half hour from cleveland during a time when the indians were damn good.
by Brick. on Nov 11, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line, Brad.
Look, I’m as big a fan of LeBron’s as anyone. I don’t want to see him go like Chuck does. I’m not stupid enough to think he doesn’t provide the best shot for a championship that Cleveland has had since ’95.
I’m also not going to be picky about which sport wins first. Hell, I’m not a huge Browns fan, but I’ll celebrate like mad if they win a Super Bowl. You know why? Because so much of sports for me is tied to pride in my city. That’s the number one reason I can’t forgive LeBron for this.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand all of that. It’s clear that LeBron doesn’t have that same pride in his hometown area, but that doesn’t make him a giant douche or the most classless person to ever walk the earth. He cheers for different teams, that’s it.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right cheering for a different team does not make LeStunod a douche. Cheering for the Yankees during the Inidans/Yankees play-off series is what makes him the biggest douche in the Western Hemisphere.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also! The preferred nomenclature is biggest douche in the universe.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 11, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Lebron were a demure Yankees fan during ‘07 I wouldn’t have cared (which I think he actually is – calling him a Yankees fan is probably a stretch. When pressed to root for baseball he has an answer, but I’d bet money he could give a crap about it).
Here’s my interpretation: Lebron was trying for joking gamesmanship and it ended up blowing up in his face. He realized it was antagonistic and ripped his hat off after a few innings. I think it was douchey, but a relatively innocent douche move.
I think he showed up to the Browns/Boys came in Boys gear to – stay with me – appease Indians fans, and show his “equal” partisanship toward outside sports.
I mean, let’s be real. He’s not hawking Yankees crap all the time, nor does he actually care about the Boys. He’s the definition of a fairweather fan! They don’t really give a crap! He’s somewhat of a douche, but he’s our douche for now.
by joeee on Nov 11, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe forget engineering, you need to go to Law School.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(I know coming from Chuck this is a huge diss)
by joeee on Nov 12, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but even so, your take on the whole thing is correct.
by dgcambridge on Nov 12, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the definition of a fairweather fan!
Not really. A true fairweather fan follows whichever team is best right then. Right? Am I misinterpreting that?
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well at the Knicks game, he stopped paying attention during a timeout to stand up and applaud the WS champion Yankees. I would say he does care about baseball.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 12, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you didn’t see his custom Nike-Yankee #27 shoes he wore last night.
by gte619n on Nov 12, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say this is an important distinction.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only to you, fwembt, only to you.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How so? If all that is objectionable about him being a Yankee fan is that he wore that hat to a playoff game, there has been a lot of wasted hyperbole here.
by fwembt on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They root for whichever team they see on TV all the time and who’s winning a lot because it’s easy to do. It’s not right, but it doesn’t make them a bad person.
Actually, doesn’t doing the easy thing instead of the right thing pretty much make someone a bad person?
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correlation doesn’t prove causality though. LeBron is not a classless person simply because he is a Yankee fan from Akron. Though, I’ll admit, it could be used in argument against him, that one point is not the be all end all.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no need to prove causality. We aren’t arguing causality.
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a few students who call themselves Yankees fans. They aren’t d-bags or classless or idiots, they’re just misguided.
Not everyone sees the world the same way that you do. Not everyone associates rooting for the Yankees with the same indignity that you do.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny, Brad, from the way you keep repeating yourself, it doesn’t seem like I’m the one who’s all alone on this. I’m comfortable my opinion and also with your misguided, dispassionate, milquetoast disagreement.
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just because i haven’t heard the word “milquetoast” in upwards of 10 years doesn’t mean everyone else hasn’t either.
by Brick. on Nov 11, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to look it up. Awesome word… might have to start using it myself.
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boiled over hard, please.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m certainly not alone with my opinion, either, as evidenced by this thread.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s moral relativity, and also there isn’t. It was an antagonistic, stupid move. Whether you like the guy or not – an awful PR mistake. “But he’s just a fan” is irrelevant because Lebron is not just an anything like you or me or Brad or Jay – he is (like it or not) a public figure by now. He knows this well and grooms his image accordingly.
This episode was a mistake and he hasn’t and won’t repeat it. Conversely, a commercial of Lebron fantasizing about playing for the Browns was a positive.
by joeee on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t wait for the next Browns/Cowboys game.
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by mauichuck on Nov 10, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good points all around
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It occurs to me that a big part of the difference in perspective might be the fact that you’re in Columbus, which, while a pretty big city (and a hellhole), is not a big-league town. There are lots of diehard Indians and Reds fans in Cbus, but my sense is that the geographic force of loyalty is a weak one, in part because it’s 100+ miles from either town.
There is also the matter of the 28-year affiliation between the local minor league club and the Yankees, which ended just three years ago. Then you have the case of my father-in-law, 86, who has lived in the Springfield, MA, area since 1985. He eventually became a Red Sox fan, not because he lives and dies with the team, but because he follows the team. That’s the team on TV and in the newspaper every day. (He’s not online at all.)
There mere fact that Cbus fans have a choice fatally weakens the culture’s sports loyalty. It is not taboo to root for a team other than the Indians, and it is not taboo to root for a team other than the Reds. It isn’t like Akron at all in that sense; it’s a little more like the Youngstown Browns/Steelers thing. That lack of taboo suggests that disconnected Yankees fans in Cbus may not be as douchey, on the average, as disconnected Yankees fans in Cleveland or Philadelphia, or Akron or Canton for that matter.
So I’ll back off the severity of the proclamation in this instance, if not off the certainty of it. Thing is, people don’t have to be baseball fans at all. In fact, you can love the game as a player/coach/whatever and never develop a strong rooting relationship for a professional team. People have a choice whether to become a diehard fan for the local club, or for the club where they grew up, or for the club that their dads and moms rooted for. Their other two choices are to become a diehard fan for a team with whom they have no personal or geographic connection but which is highly success, i.e., a frontrunner, or not to become a diehard fan at all.
So what I’m suggesting is that the population of persons who are drawn to baseball through a personal/geogrpaphic connection tends to have significantly different personality traits and values — in general, not as a rule — than those who are drawn to be front-runners. Lebron didn’t have to be a baseball fan at all, and he grew up in a town with s stubborn pride in being Indians fans, when the Indians were an exciting team to follow. He was drawn not to the Indians, but to the Yankees.
I think that suggests something about his personality traits and values, even if it doesn’t say all that much about your students.
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is terribly well said. The last paragraph is more compelling, to me, than anything you have written on this thus far.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If that’s the case, I wish I’d written it earlier. That is the whole basis for what I think of Yankees fans.
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, thank you for actually giving me a response instead of proclamations that nobody else is allowed to disagree with.
First of all, I should say that I don’t teach in Columbus but in Morrow County about 30 min. north of the C-bus (and that’s from the northern edge — it’s about an hour from downtown C-bus). So most people there are Cleveland fans rather than Cincy fans, although you’re right that they’re not as diehard fans in general as northern Ohio (where I grew up). By the way, if you think Columbus is a hellhole then I can’t imagine what you’d think of Morrow County . . .
I understand what you’re saying in general, and in a lot of ways I agree with it. I am really annoyed by front-running fans, especially for the Yankees and Red Sox and Steelers (of which there are plenty in central Ohio). And you’re right that many of them are d-bags (but they would be that no matter which team they rooted for). But, not to make an excuse for them, but as I’ve said before not all kids see rooting for the Yankees through the same lense which we see it. We know how the Yankees have an unfair financial advantage, but kids watching them on TV don’t know that, they just know they’re on TV all the time and they’re usually winning and announcers are heaping praise on them. And some kids like to be contrarian, to root against the local favorites just to be different. When I was a kid, every class had one or two kids who were Michigan fans just to be different. Some people just like to be different or be instigators — we have people here who do that very same thing about various topics, and they’re not all classless d-bags.
You’re right that it suggests something about them, but we have other evidence that LeBron is a classy guy who loves Akron (if not Cleveland as much). He had his MVP ceremony at his high school and still visits there frequently. He hasn’t gotten in to trouble with the law and seems to be a good family man, from all accounts. So I just don’t like the attacks on his character based on one point when there are plenty of other things he does publicly which we can judge.
Finally, of course, he’s the best chance Cleveland has of winning a championship and we’ve been waiting far too long for one. Even if you’re not an NBA fan, if you’re a Cleveland fan then you have to root for LeBron and the Cavs. To turn your back on the entire team (not that you’ve said that, but some have) just because he’s a Yankees fan seems contradictory.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nobody else is allowed to disagree with
Where are you even getting this? You’re allowed to disagree, of course. Here you’ve been disagreeing in this thread for days now! Enough of these histrionics! Disagreement, no matter how forcefully stated, is not censorship or even intolerance.
by Jay on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll just launch into viscous ad hominem attacks against them which carry added weight since you’re a moderator.
by Voltaire on Nov 12, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? wha? I can’t remember the last time Jay stooped to ad hominems.
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by mauichuck on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Viscous attacks? You mean like the Blob?
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Volt, if our shard odyssey on Sabathia has taught me anything, it’s that when it comes to loyalty issues, there are no diehard Indians fans who disagree with me. There are only diehard Indians fans who don’t agree with me yet.
by Jay on Nov 12, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Jay, I got there ahead of you on this one.
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by mauichuck on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bow to no one in my antipathy for Sabathia and my sincere bad wishes for his career.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By “allowed” I don’t mean “not deleted”. I mean that you, the moderator, are attacking me (and others) for disagreeing with you.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see. Well, by the actual meaning of the word “allowed,” I am literally allowing anyone and everyone to disagree with me on this issue.
So it seems a bit unfair to run around saying that I am not allowing that, based on your ridiculous made-up definition of that word.
by Jay on Nov 12, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay, you’re flat-out wrong!!
See how easy that was?
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can all disagree with each other on here as much as we want. If you feel like disagreeing with Jay will result in getting banned, that suggests to me you are inferring something that has never been stated.
There are plenty of things that I’m sure will get you banned on here; I don’t think the free exchange of ideas is one of them.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never suggested anything like that.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 13, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I lived in Morrow County in the 1970s, it was full of Big Red Machine fans and I spent a lot of time being harassed because I rooted for the Indians, who at that time were perennial losers. If the predominant tide in Morrow County now is for the Indians, it is only because the Indians have won lately and the Reds have not.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 12, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you’re a teacher?
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue Columbus is less of a hell hole than Cleveland.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could, but you would be wrong.
"You are an LGT success story" -- Jay
by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This. Cincy is, of course, the leading hellhole of all.
by fwembt on Nov 11, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My votes for Stubenville – home of Dean Martin.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Steubenville is a hellhole.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Columbus is a very nice place to live. Anyone who would argue otherwise has never lived here. The only thing it lacks is major league sports teams (at least that I’m interested in) but those aren’t too far away.
Of course, different people look for different qualities in a place to live so it might not suite everyone. I know that I could never live in the country and some people love it there.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 12, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing it lacks is major league sports teams
Now I now some feel the NHL is not a “pro” sport, but if you consider it the 4th, then the Blue Jackets definitely would take offense to this remark.
by talonk on Nov 12, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You missed the “at least that I’m interested in” part.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 12, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who would argue otherwise has never lived here.
who is stating opinions as fact, now? this isn’t even defensible. i know at least half a dozen people that live there and think it sucks and dozens more that used to live there and would never go back.
by Brick. on Nov 12, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had lived in both Columbus and Cleveland (suburban at least) and I much preferred Cleveland.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 12, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Count me in that group. Still stuck in Columbus though. I’d rather live in the wife’s hometown of Dayton than this personality-free hole.
by CBusSteve on Nov 12, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you’re on campus or well outside the city, I’ve never seen much to enjoy in Dayton.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 12, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I’m concerned, the number one tourist attraction in all of Ohio.
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by mauichuck on Nov 13, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That one dude got shot right across the street from where we were in class.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I went to a concert in Columbus once. I don’t want to live in the Newport Music Hall. That’s about all I can knowledgeably say.
by fwembt on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has to be a fantastic group for me to even think about seeing a concert at that hellhole. I think the last group I saw there was Railroad Earth.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 12, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Manchester Orchestra and Brand New. It was a great show but I was afraid to touch anything.
by fwembt on Nov 12, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Columbus does lack character that is often found in more mature metropolitan areas. But is fairly livable, even though the public transportation options are crap (we’ve discussed this here before.)
It’s also, as a state capitol, much more resilient economically speaking.
I think my ‘hell hole’ argument is more of a ‘where would I prefer to live now, at this time in my life, with this economy, etc.’
This is not to say that I don’t like Cleveland.
Wait 'til next millennium!
by emd2k3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing it lacks is major league sports teams
And a orchestra, and some ethnicity, and an art museum and a prestigous university and a world class hospital and any thing that remotely resembles culture.
Other than that Brad, and I’m with you a 110%.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In Columbus’ defense, there were a lot of really terrible bands on the OSU campus last time I visited.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda sounds like the Joe Inglett of big cities.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I included the “that I’m interested in” part. I don’t care about orchestras or art museums.
And OSU may not be “prestigous” on the level of your CWRU but it’s a pretty fine university. As far as hospitals go, I’m not up to date with all the rankings, all I know is that the OSU Med Center literally saved my life (as you know) and worked miracles with me with some of the surgeries I’ve had. They have some really great doctors there. I had one surgery done to my elbow which I know is very rare and not many docs can do. And I’m walking now better than I ever imagined that I would. So it seems like a pretty damn good hospital to me.
I’m not trying to compare Columbus to Cleveland. I just said that I really like living here and I know plenty of other people who do as well. I’m sure it’s not for everybody, as I said.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 13, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only parts of CWRU are terribly prestigious. Last I checked, the law school wasn’t all that highly thought of.
by fwembt on Nov 13, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could make similar component-wise comparisons with many schools. Having earned degrees from both over a combined seven years, I can tell you that all things being equal, I’d prefer my kids go to Case.
Essentially sharing a campus with Severance Hall and the museums was excellent — even for a cultureless boar like myself. Add to that, football performance is a wash now too!
by CBusSteve on Nov 13, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last I checked, the law school wasn’t all that highly thought of.
Another reason I’m proud of my alma mater. They know what’s important.
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by mauichuck on Nov 13, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s why I included the "that I’m interested in" part. I don’t care about orchestras or art museums.
And OSU may not be "prestigous" on the level of your CWRU but it’s a pretty fine university.
What makes a city isn’t the narrow interest or perspective of one person. You’re not interested in those things, but others are. A great city brings together institutions and enterprises from many spheres, which attract great people and other fine institutions and enterprises.
So you may not care about those other things specifically, but the lack of them keeps Columbus from having that critical mass that would get it taken seriously as a city. What Columbus has mainly is one gigantic university with a few very good graduate programs, plus the government of a medium-large state. It’s not the same.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. I never argued otherwise. I never said Columbus was a great city, and I never said it was a place that everybody would want to live. I specifically said above that different people have different interests and different things they look for in a place to live, and no one city or town or state is going to interest everybody.
I’m simply stating that Columbus is most certainly not a hellhole, and that many people think its a fine place to live and really enjoy living there. And Columbus is much more than OSU and the state government.
I just don’t get why people from Cleveland feel the need to put down Columbus (especially those who know very little about the city), but I guess that’s just me. I’ve never heard anyone from Columbus say anything bad about Cleveland.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 13, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One, that’s because Cleveland rocks.
Two, I’m not even from Cleveland.
But I get what you’re saying.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lived in Columbus for over ten years. Lived on Siebert near 6th, lived offa Lane near North Star, lived on N4th just north of Hudson. I’ve lived in Columbus. It sucks.
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by mauichuck on Nov 13, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We all know what you think, Chuck.
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 13, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your rhetorical style makes me want to disagree with you, and I don’t even have anything against Columbus.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sang the Beethoven’s 9th with the Columbus Symphony Orchestra a few weeks ago under Gunther Herbig. It’s not the Cleveland Symphony, but it’s pretty damn good.
Want out of Cleveland? Easy - mess with LeBron's entourage.
by woodsmeister on Nov 13, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wexner Center is a good museum. Small, not in the same league as the Cleveland Art Museum, but still good.
by odradek on Nov 13, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My aunt was upset with me personally when the CAM director got stolen by Philly.
by Jay on Nov 13, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was quite a surprise.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 14, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know a lot of bro’s at school from Philly – they remind me of Ohio dudes. Huge bros, sarcastic, a holes, their sports suck (pre-2008 obviously).
by joeee on Nov 14, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure what you mean by “bro’s” or “huge bros.”
by Jay on Nov 14, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either it’s a frat thing, or it’s a similarly stupid way to refer to someone.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 15, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fwembt, LeBron is from Ohio, Norhern Ohio he plays for a Cleveland team. Jeeze, how tough is this to understand.
As for Grady, if he ever shows up at the Browns play-off game against the Cowboys – assuming he lives that long -in support of the Cowboys, then yeah he needs to leave this area too. Besides, if Shapiro follows the “process” Grady should be gone by July 2011, well before the Browns get back into contention.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Nov 9, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if Shapiro follows the process, Grady won’t be traded before July 2012. That is, he won’t be traded in 2011 if the Indians believe they will compete in 2012.
by Jay on Nov 9, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay, this new format is definitely buggy. The “Post a Comment” box on my computer consistently covers the last post in the string. Not an excuse for the “reply” fail to fwembt, but it is distracting. BTW fwembt, “completely absurd” is a bit of hyperbole. After all, I believe Mr. Raab and I are on the same page here, or at least we were until he decided to author a book about the LeStunodettes.
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by mauichuck on Nov 9, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the book will make fun of Lestuno
by Roger Dorn on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think completely absurd is about spot on, regardless of the position of the esteemed Mr. Raab. Why force our teams on LeBron (or our hypothetical Grady)? Because we think that people should support the local teams? That’s great, apparently there are those who disagree. LeBron/Hypo Grady shouldn’t be run out of town on a rail because of the hat they wear. It isn’t classless, it isn’t a slap in the face, it isn’t disrespect, it’s a kid supporting his team.
Again, allegiance is owed only to the team signing his paycheck. Dan Gilbert and the Cavs for LeBron, Larry Dolan and the Indians for Grady. It’s a mercenary market, a failure to recognize that is nothing more than a failure to adapt.
by fwembt on Nov 10, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t see him showing up to away games. Why not pop up in NY all the time at their fresh stadium if that’s what he’s about? He can hit up his bro Jay-Z for free tickets if he’s feelin’ stingy. Or head to Dallas.
See Ryan’s quote above. It literally says it all.
by joeee on Nov 10, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t classless, it isn’t a slap in the face, it isn’t disrespect, it’s a kid supporting his team.
I don’t see it that way. When you’re an athlete in a city, especially one as visible as LeBron, you need to be cognizant of the fanbase. Showing up at a couple Indians or Browns games (and at least tokenly supporting the teams) wouldn’t be a bad idea. Hate to bring a Pittsburgh reference into this, but Ben Roethlisberger regularly shows up at Penguins games, and I doubt he was a Penguins fan or even a hockey fan growing up.
by Ryan on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben is a Cavs fan. My two best friends met him at teh Winking Lizard downtown after a recent game.
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by Turkmenbashi on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that Brady Quinn as Brown’s fan – who wouldda thunk it?
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he ever shows up at the Browns play-off game against the Cowboys
Here’s to the Browns in the Super Bowl!
by CBusSteve on Nov 11, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll rec that! One can dream, right?
by Buckeye Brad on Nov 11, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of guys who were in a hurry to get out of Cleveland. From today’s Plain Dealer:
Don’t look for the Indians to make an offer on free agent Jamey Carroll before the filing period ends. The Indians have exclusive rights to Carroll until Nov. 20, but if they were going to do something, it would have happened by now. Carroll is coming off two productive seasons as the Tribe’s utility infielder and reportedly wants to explore the market.
by odradek on Nov 11, 2009 1:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really can’t blame a player who doesn’t want to stay for a rebuilding process.
by The Grimace on Nov 11, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. at this point in his career, carroll deserves to be a back-up for a winner!
by Brick. on Nov 11, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like he was in 07?
Finally convinced my dad that Jeter is immensely hatable.
by westbrook on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gamers should cash in when they can. They’re gritty.
by lenred on Nov 11, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Explore the market” means “play for the Yankees.”
by odradek on Nov 11, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are ways to go about liking whatever team you like if you are an athlete. Showing up to a playoff game featuring your home team and a chief rival and supporting the rival is not one of those ways. Especially when your only connection to said rival is that they were popular choice. LeBron has proven time and again that he is a front runner. If you won a few championships in the 1990’s he’s your fan. I’ll excuse any liking of Notre Dame though since he did attend a Catholic high school.
by The Grimace on Nov 11, 2009 1:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plus the Akron St. Vincent/St. Mary team name is the “Irish”. So we’ll give him a pass – but just one.
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by mauichuck on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/yawn
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Nov 11, 2009 4:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, setting myself a reminder ….. let’s have the whole anti-LeBron discussion again on January 15th.
It usually takes a couple months or so before Jay, chuck and Brad all have the exact same argument as the did two months ago and four months ago … etc etc
by talonk on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I say we wait until July at which point Brad and Jay will agree.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 11, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see what the big deal is with Marte around here.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 11, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This still makes me laugh. Also, when I try to rec things now I always accidentally hit flag because they reversed the order.
by Roger Dorn on Nov 11, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When the Tribe has stunk for 2 years, you gotta find something to argue about.
by lenred on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going for a failed bait there.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Nov 11, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In which case, it worked.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by junkballer on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On a related note, I bet someone $50 today that LeBron wouldn’t be playing for the Knicks in 2010 and he wouldn’t take it, saying that he could sign with any other team then and I would win. When I offered $50 that LeBron would resign with Cleveland he also didn’t take it. And that is all I’ve got on the subject.
Chugga-chugga chugga-chugga, Choo Choo!
by USSChoo on Nov 11, 2009 11:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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