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The Cubs had to take back Carlos Silva ($26M left over next two years, including buyout). This is team #8 for Milton, who turns 32 next spring.

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I guess this answers the question, “How bad is the Carlos Silva contract?”

by Toxicadam on Dec 18, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

This is team #8 for Milton, who turns 32 next spring.

Wow. Truly amazing. Hard to believe that one player can be that big of a headcase.

by MooneysRebellion on Dec 18, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

A headcase and a good player. If he wasn’t the latter, he wouldn’t have gotten to team #3.

by Ryan on Dec 18, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

4 more stops to go before he ties the record, and he’s only 31.

by millionairesrow on Dec 18, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit, this is a good trade for the Mariners. They can dump his salary later if they need to without feeling bad, because they avoided having to dump Silva’s salary. Bradley will have trouble making excuses in the company of Griffey, and when healthy, he’s a hell of a defender to be able to put in LF.

by Jay on Dec 18, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Do we have reason to believe he can be both play the field and remain healthy? Just 3 times in his career has made it 120 games. Once as an almost a full time DH, and the other two times were two of his lower OPS+ marks.

by 7foot3 on Dec 18, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have the same hesitation. I’m not sure how much of a defender Bradley is at this stage.

by APV on Dec 18, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He looked pretty bad in right field at Wrigley, which is admittedly a tough field.

by odradek on Dec 18, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I’m just saying, that’s a bonus.

by Jay on Dec 18, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

Man, it feels strange seeing the Mariners make good deals. Good for them, but the Bavasi days were more fun.

by JP_Frost on Dec 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s always the Royals.

by Voltaire on Dec 18, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

4 April 2004, mlb.com

DePodesta defended Bradley’s character. “I think Milton’s gotten a bad rap,” he said. “I talked to him and he’s absolutely ecstatic about this. He grew up a Dodger fan dreaming of a chance to play in Dodger Blue. Sure, there have been bumps in the road. But he’s done more community service in Cleveland than any player by a long shot. I think he’s had a little bit of a bad rap.”

29 June 2007, AP

The Padres acquired the temperamental Bradley from the Oakland Athletics on Friday, the second time in just more than a week that the two-time defending NL West champions added a player with a history of blowups. “He’s 29-years-old, he’s been around the block and knows what’s expected,” Padres manager Bud Black said.

18 December 2009, mlb.com

“We have been looking to add offense to our club and in Milton have a player who has always gotten on base and has the ability to drive in runs,” Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik said. “He is passionate about winning, as we are, and we believe he’ll be a good fit here.”

Whatever, Jack.

by fleerdon on Dec 18, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Those are what we call Mr Zduriencik’s famous last words.

I just wanted to believe.

by mjmarble on Dec 18, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Mr. Jack was really putting together a terrific offseason until now.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 18, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

this might not help, but it doesn’t hurt their offseason.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Dec 18, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious? You would rather have Silva?

LGT's resident moderate Yankee hating fan.

by Joe. on Dec 18, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not at all. But I wouldn’t take Bradley if you gave him to me.

Welcome back, Sandy! ATALECG...

by USSChoo on Dec 19, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

What’s he supposed to say? “Mr. Bradley arrives already on thin ice with us. We will not tolerate any of his BS for one second here.”

by Jay on Dec 18, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe “whatever” was too flip. You’d think I’d have learned my lesson already.

I don’t mean to imply that this was a bad move, just that Seattle’s getting the same bargain that all Milton’s other teams got, neither better nor worse. And, yeah, at this point in my career as a baseball fan, I’m starting to find front office speak tiresome in its meaninglessness. I guess the onus is on me to stop paying attention.

by fleerdon on Dec 18, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. He’s gotta say something, and he’s not going to say, “Man, this dude is a character nightmare, but I had to take some risk to get out from under that stupid Silva contract. Chances are, this ends poorly.”

I think you’re right on with “whatever”. You know it’s BS, so do I, so does the guy saying it. He’s just out there filling his role as a cog in the machine.

Everybody should get ice cream every day.

by Joel D on Dec 19, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

“Chances are, this ends poorly.”

Man, how funny would that be if a GM actually said that.

by Jay on Dec 19, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

who knows, with bradley, it might even work to motivate him to prove the guy wrong. no other methods have worked…

by Brick. on Dec 21, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

What did he do in OAK and TEX besides mash?

by JulioBernazard on Dec 23, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he was on the DL or the bench for much of his time in Oakland and had a long, bitter tirade against Billy Beane on the day he got traded. Story.

With the Rangers, at one point he stormed the press box and had to be physically restrained from violently confronting one of the broadcasters. Story.

Just for kicks, here’s the time he called a Dodgers beat reporter an Uncle Tom. Story.

by Jay on Dec 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So just a couple things then.

by Brad D on Dec 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

jay, and his “stories”

by Brick. on Dec 23, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrific deal for the Mariners. You go from the sub-Indians LF of Balentien/Saunders/Langerhans/Chavez/et al to an above average defender, hitter and baserunner. There’s all kinds of risk, sure, but as Jay said, if he doesn’t perform or fit in or stay healthy, you dump him or put him on the DL. They don’t need Silva any more.

(admittedly a big Bradley fan)

by madherb on Dec 18, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Am I the only one who’s a little worried about Bradley’s ability to hit?

He had a great year in ’07 except that it was in 244 PAs and his ’08 was monstrous. However, there were some weird things going on in ’08: he had a .388 babip, pushing his batting average to .321, tying his career high and besting his career average by a little less than 50 points.

Now, Milton’s always been a guy with a good babip (.322 career) so that’s not a huge concern. But, there’s also the park thing: in 2008, Milton hit 16 of his 22 HRs at home and OPSed 1.145 at home (.872 on the road).

And, of course, his 2009 was truly putrid: .257/.378/.397. There’s something to like there in that he retained on base ability, which the M’s really need, but there’s also a lot to not like.

I think this is a good move, don’t get me wrong. Silva is a dead asset and Milton has upside. But, still, this is a guy who’s going to be 32 and has always struggled with significant injuries. All the ‘head-case’ talk aside, I think there’s a not insignificant chance Milton is just sort of done and that playing in Safeco is just going to make it worse.

Good for MB, though. I love that guy.

by afh4 on Dec 18, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

His knees seemed to bother him a lot in the field with the Cubs. He was unhappy, obviously, in Chicago, but I thought he looked like he was on his last legs.

by odradek on Dec 19, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m Chicago-based as well and I’m sure that’s coloring my perception. I saw a lot of him last year and he looked bad. Like, really bad.

by afh4 on Dec 19, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Being argumentative on the field isn’t the same as being difficult off of it, and besides…What really matters here is that, even with Bradley’s history, there’s no guarantee that his personality is going to be a problem in 2010. We don’t have Lou Piniella and [Redacted] alcoholics in the bleachers. We have Don Wakamatsu and soccer moms. I mean it when I say that this is literally the best place for a player like Bradley to land, and that’s why this makes me so excited.


That’s from LL
, and that is clueless.

by afh4 on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

I would love to create a series of rationalizations like this for a whole set of players/teams.

by APV on Dec 19, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Being relaxed on the field isn’t the same as being calm off of it, and besides…What really matters here is that, even with Peralta’s history, there’s no guarantee that his relaxation isn’t going to be a problem in 2010. We don’t have Eric Wedge and [Redacted] alcoholics in the dugout managing any more. We have Manny Acta and his 2010 Bill James handbook. I mean it when I say that this is literally the best place for a player like Peralta to be, and that’s why this keeps me so excited.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Dec 19, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How’s the phrase go…“fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?”

by Ryan on Dec 19, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Over/under on games played before his first suspension?

by FredOx on Dec 19, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

How about zero; he gets it in ST…

by stuart dean on Dec 19, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take the over.

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He and Clifton Phifer can talk Wedgenius in the locker room. I’d like to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

by JulioBernazard on Dec 19, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah? Well, when I was pitching he put Ryan Garko in the outfield. Ryan &^%$ Garko! And you think he had it in for you!

CP Lee

"Nobody ever thinks, 'Hey, maybe I’m actually an idiot.'" - Jay

by woodsmeister on Dec 19, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This will seem especially dumb on a team with Gutierrez, Ichiro, Griffey and Bradley.

by Jay on Dec 19, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Can The Kid still go get it?

by JulioBernazard on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, eventually.

by Jay on Dec 21, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a cart he rides around on.

by odradek on Dec 21, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And this rookie dude we had… Huff I think his name was… every time he pitched, Garko was out there.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Dec 19, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and with Francisco in center too

by stuart dean on Dec 19, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Strange but true stat: Carl Pavano’s line when Garko was in the OF: 15 IP, 7 H, 1 R. We should sign Garko again and then trade him again to be Carl Pavano’s personal right fielder.

by FredOx on Dec 21, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he looked out there and had immense motivation to get GB outs.

"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta

by westbrook on Dec 21, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That sounds right. He’s a smart guy.

by Jay on Dec 21, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Advice for Seattle fans: Time with Milton Bradley will end in tears.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 19, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Isn’t that more of a prediction?

I just wanted to believe.

by mjmarble on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point it’s the inevitable.

by Roger Dorn on Dec 24, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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