Top Prospects, part 5: The pitchers
| 2010 | Top Prospects | 4 | Position Players |
| 1 | The Injured | 5 | Pitchers 1 |
| 2 | Fringe Position Players | 5.5 | Pitchers 2 |
| 3 | Fringe Pitchers | 6 | Santana & Recap |
I am breaking up the interesting pitchers into two lists because there are simply too many of them. I am going to include those guys who performed primarily below the AA-level in this first set. These pitchers are not necessarily further from Cleveland, since a few of them are very highly thought of and might advance through the system quickly, but their performance has to be viewed in the context of the lower competition they have faced. I have also added newly-acquired Mitch Talbot to the end of this list. He belongs on the previous fringe list, owing to his age and 2009 performance, but as the numbers below should suggest he would have graded out as a very good prospect prior to this season.
Alexander Perez (19.9, High-A) – Perez got shut down for much of the last two months of the season, but prior to those troubling "soreness" issues, he was one of the Tribe’s biggest 2009 breakouts. A product of the Indians Dominican system, Perez made a very convincing jump from rookie ball last year to Lake County (3.04 ERA, 3:1 K:BB) to Kinston (2.87 ERA, 3.4:1 K:BB). Assuming he comes back healthy (he has avoided surgery so far), Perez will spend most of 2010 as a 20-year old, with Akron not too far ahead of him.
| A Perez | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2008 | 50.2 | 3.27 | 4.26 | 7.8 | 23.9 | 47.1 | 21 | 3.17 |
| 2009 | 114.1 | 3.65 | 2.99 | 7.1 | 22.9 | 48.9 | 39 | 6.67 |
Jason Knapp (18.8, Low-A) – We know the story on Knapp, great fastball and great strikeout numbers. He has had some control issues, and there is on-going concern about the health of his pitching arm. Given his age and performance, though, he is perhaps the highest ceiling pitcher in the Indians system at the moment.
| J Knapp | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2008 | 31.0 | 2.57 | 2.61 | 9.2 | 29.2 | 38.8 | 20 | 4.79 |
| 2009 | 97.0 | 3.68 | 4.18 | 11.4 | 29.7 | 35.6 | 46 | 5.36 |
Nick Hagadone (23.0, High-A) – Hagadone is another new acquisition, and another pitcher with injury questions. Hagadone has been limited to 80 innings in his 3-year professional career because of tommy-john surgery. Healthy now, scouts rave about his stuff (his greater than 30% K-rate this past season does not hurt, either). Like Knapp, Hagadone could use some improvements in his control. Unlike Knapp, Hagadone is decidedly a ground-ball pitcher whose strong downward action has limited his opponents to just a single HR in his pro career.
| N Hagadone | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2007 | 24.1 | 2.54 | 1.85 | 8.5 | 35.1 | 59.3 | 21 | 6.01 |
| 2008 | 10.0 | 4.43 | 0.00 | 14.0 | 27.9 | 65.4 | 5 | 2.00 |
| 2009 | 45.0 | 3.17 | 2.80 | 13.0 | 31.9 | 55.5 | 28 | 2.76 |
Scott Barnes (21.8, AA)
Barnes made it to Akron for the final month of the season, but spent most of 2009 in high-A ball. Barnes put up a solid across-the-board line in 2009 with decent K-rates and BB-rates and a solid overall performance. His adjusted FIP is a little less optimistic, though, and his 15 HRs allowed this season is a red flag to keep an eye on.
| S Barnes | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2008 | 43.2 | 3.14 | 2.06 | 7.1 | 37.5 | 39.8 | 45 | 5.69 |
| 2009 | 141.1 | 4.35 | 3.41 | 8.2 | 23.1 | 37.2 | 30 | 4.87 |
TJ House (19.7, Low-A) – "Why don’t we draft more high-ceiling high school pitchers like T.J. House". Probably because there aren’t many success stories like TJ House, at least based on his first full-season campaign. As a 19-year old House held up well against the much older Sally League competition. His numbers aren’t dominating, but that the Indians let him log nearly 135 innings speaks to his ability to keep himself out of trouble. The Indians are careful about the high-stress innings their young pichers experience…House made it easy on them by not experiencing many. Should get a nice test in Kinston in 2010.
| TJ House | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2009 | 134.1 | 4.34 | 3.15 | 8.7 | 19.3 | 46.3 | 19 | 5.25 |
Francisco Jimenez (20.8, Low-A) – Of all the names on this list, Jimenez is probably the one you have most likely never heard. 2009 was his stateside debut having graduated from two years of pitching with the Indians Dominical Summer League team. Jimenez logged just a little over 50 innings between short-season and Lake County, but he made quite an impression. 59 Ks, 7 BBs, and just 1 HR will do that.
| F Jimenez | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2009 | 47.1 | 3.54 | 2.28 | 3.8 | 31.7 | 47.1 | 41 | 5.17 |
Mitch Talbot (25.7, MLB) - Talbot had a brief stint in the majors in 2008, but has spent most of the past three seasons in AAA. A victim of Tampa's pitching depth, Talbot was a good prospect who was passed over largely because of his questionable fastball (a year ago his changeup was identified by Baseball America as Tampa's best). As the numbers below suggest, prior to his injury plagued 2009 he has shown the clear ability to control AAA hitters. The only question now is whether he can get major league hitters out in Cleveland.
| M Talbot | IP | aFIP | ERA | BB% | K% | GB% | Net | ProS |
| 2006 | 156.1 | 3.43 | 2.76 | 7.2 | 23.7 | 51.2 | 82 | 8.53 |
| 2007 | 161.0 | 3.89 | 4.53 | 8.5 | 17.8 | 54.2 | 6 | 7.11 |
| 2008 | 161.0 | 3.06 | 3.89 | 5.1 | 20.6 | 54.7 | 66 | 8.62 |
| 2009 | 68.1 | 3.67 | 3.69 | 6.3 | 23.3 | 48.0 | 25 | 3.86 |
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I’m very interested to see how the Kinston rotation shakes out this year – Perez, White, De La, House, Hagadone could be in the rotation there to start the season.
Also, for what its worth, I read somewhere that Knapp won’t be ready for the start of the season.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Indians place Hagadone aggressively and get him to Akron quickly. He isn’t young.
I would, but it’d be a pleasant surprise. I think he had 1 high-A start after his stint at LC last year. I just don’t think they have anyone skip that level.
But you’re right – age. If he starts with the K-Tribe and has success he’ll be the first promotion. He still has to prove himself in some way.
I still find it amazing after our CC, Lee and Martinez trades that the best bet prospect, from onset to follow thru, came from Casey Blake.
I’m just saying, at his age, if he can’t adjust to Double-A hitters within a couple of months, doesn’t that make him a non-prospect?
Yes, but I don’t think the brass looks at it like that – they see a guy with hold your breath potential coming off arm surgery that they will give every opportunity for success as he advances. Really, the best comp for him is Miller, mid-injury phase.
They HOPE he’ll be striking out AA hitters in a couple months. A month at Kinston could grease the rails, and be a better place to work stuff out if he doesn’t have immediate success. I think they want him to advance quickly, I just don’t think they’ll push him real hard until he shows something.
So what, he gets to the majors at age 27-28? That can’t be the plan.
Not that you ever ignore the surgery history, but you can’t keep treating a guy like he’s “coming off arm surgery.” When was that surgery?
It’s not like he has to spend a year at every level from now on. If he gets off to a good start this year, at any level, stays healthy and keeps it going he could be in AAA by the end of the year.
I just don’t think they’ll push him too hard right away. Of course, there’s still a chance he could be a reliever – mebbe in AA even
I know essentially nothing about Jimenez, except that his numbers were very good. A near 32% K-rate and greater than 8:1 K:BB number are hard to ignore. About the only thing I can find about him is this quote from Lake County coach Aaron Holbert via Tony Lastoria:
“The most important thing is he is not scared. He came in one ball game in Lakewood recently with the bases loaded and nobody out and faced the first batter and struck him out with three pitches, the next guy in three pitches, and the next guy with I think five pitches. For me he does not get intimidated. I know he is a young pitcher and just over to the states this year, and you would never know it by his demeanor on the mound and his confidence out there. He mixes up a slurvy curveball with some changeups, but really he is coming after guys with his fastball. His fastball jumps a little bit, but it is actually high 80s to low 90s, it is not like he is overpowering but the swings that are being taken it looks like there is some deception in there. He is basically saying ‘if you can hit, hit it’ and I like his enthusiasm and confidence out there. It is paying off for him not being tentative or afraid of getting hit and afraid of contact.”
When Sowers comes in, I’m the one who’s scared.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by Joel D on Dec 21, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m scared the whole time. It’s like driving with the low fuel light on and no gas stations ahead. It may be a while until it goes bad, but I’m rueing it already.
Everybody should get ice cream every day.
by Joel D on Dec 21, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I can’t get behind that. Obviously, the Indians shouldn’t take that view, and I’m not convinced that we should either. Surely we know more than this.
You mentioned Laffey as someone with problems staying healthy, but are we really saying that he has the same risk for this year as Lewis or Knapp (let’s leave Miller out of this)? Really, that’s all we can do? Where’s Will Carroll?
by dgcambridge on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think Hagadone is the most likely ace out of all of our minor league pitchers. He’s already past his surgery and everything I’ve read/his numbers indicate his stuff is really good.
That’s a dumb, fake scout analysis, all to say that Hagadone’s my horse.

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