Giants sign DeRosa 2 for 12

Mark gets a decent payday to play 3B in SF

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Dang, one less team to trade Domino to.

/sarc

by talonk on Dec 29, 2009 5:48 PM EST reply actions

When did Jhonny take up dominoes?

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by peter m on Dec 29, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions

Anyone brave enough to fish through Cleveland.com for comments?

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by world dictator on Dec 29, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions

Not it.

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by USSChoo on Dec 29, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions

Here’s a franchise destined to be mediocre for years to come. To a roster of old players, Sabean has rebuilt with Edgar Renteria, Freddy Sanchez, and Mark DeRosa. Ok.

by xrickx on Dec 29, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions

Yeah, I’d hate to have a team consisting of veterans assembled around Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Pablo Sandoval, and Buster Posey.

by The Grimace on Dec 29, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions

The point is to have good veterans, not just guys who’ve been in the league long enough to qualify for free agency. Dave Roberts, Aaron Rowand, Bengie Molina, Matt Morris, Barry Zito, Edgar Renteria, Randy Winn — name one free agent signing that’s made them better?

If Omar Vizquel is all they’re touting, Sabean should get the message and stop signing mediocre veterans to market-value contracts. Because if you’re paying market value for 35-year old free agents, you’ve already lost.

by xrickx on Dec 29, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions

And I’ll take it one step further. They’re wasting a team with a core of Lincecum, Cain, and Sandoval.

The Indians might not have Lincecum and Cain up top, but at least they have Carrasco, Rondon, Gomez, Huff, and Laffey to take a stab at building something rather than paying five Randy Wolfs. Meanwhile, the Giants have nice starters but ONE position player at the major league level worth sniffing. They don’t have Asdrubals, Gradys, and Choos, nor do they even have LaPortas, Marsons, Valbuenas, or Brantley.

So the Indians have a talent starting nine and a cheap, inexperienced questionable staff with some promise. The Giants have a talented starting rotation and an expensive, immobile, aged starting nine with no promise except for first base (assuming Sandoval makes the switch) and Posey (who, according to the Giants, will start the year in AAA).

by xrickx on Dec 29, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions

by JulioBernazard on Dec 29, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

You are decrying the Giants for bringing in a player on a short team deal to fill a hole that has no foreseeable replacement at the minor league level in that time. Not every team has the option when they enter a rebuilding phase to trade away two Cy Young winners in their prime, an All-Star C/1B in his prime, a phenomenal chin, and a Bill Bavasi to fleece. Yeah, you could argue Sabean traded away too much for Ryan Garko and Freddie Sanchez, but the pitching depth they have in the system or already at the ML level is deep. They were also in playoff contention and tried to strike while they had the chance. I don’t see how signing players to 2 year contracts over market value to fill positions with no minor league talent imminent hurts this team in the long run, or even wastes away the years they have left of Lincecum, Cain, Wilson, Sandoval, and Posey.

by The Grimace on Dec 30, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions

I decry the Giants for being in a position to have to bring in mediocre players for market value due to a complete lack of internal options. I decry the the Giants for failing to develop any players to trade away for anything of value. I give credit where credit is due. They drafted one great pitcher in Lincecum and one good one in Cain (whose xFIP shows exactly the kind of pitcher he would be in a league where teams have full lineups and can punish a guy who walks 80 batters per season).

Sabean’s strategy hurts them in the long run because they’re living mediocre veteran to mediocre veteran. And the last five seasons show what that does. The roster is too full of expensive placeholders to sign real talent. And when they do splurge, it’s completely misguided— not in an “if he didn’t get hurt” kinda way, and not in a “nobody saw that coming” kinda way. Their run differential was that of an 83 win team in 2009 according to their third order wins. They need to improve. DeRosa replaced Juan Uribe, who actually outproduced DeRosa last season in OBP and SLG. And now the Giants need a bounce back from DeRosa, coming off a serious wrist injury, in his age 35 and 36 seasons. And if he’s playing the infield, he’s hurting the defense. They’ve not improved.

Their payrolls and actual wins the last five years:
$83M – 88 wins
$77M – 72 wins
$90M – 71 wins
$90M – 76 wins
$90M – 75 wins

Same tactic. Same result. Sabean inherited Barry Bonds. But give him credit for their nice run from 1997 to 2004. But also give him the blame for the last five seasons. They are not a good team, and his leadership is the reason. When a player’s contract becomes immovable the second he signs it, it’s a bad deal. And that’s been Sabean’s signature with Dave Roberts, Matt Morris, Edgar Renteria, Barry Zito, Randy Winn, and Aaron Rowand.

The DeRosa signing is yet another example of the mockery of roster management the Giants have conducted the last five seasons.

by xrickx on Dec 30, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs