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August 18, 2006: Andy's Greatest Game

The Indians rolled into town hot-scorching hot. In 7 of the last 9 our battling Tribe had claimed victory. Now this one? This one was for all the marbles. Could the Indians, 54-66, claim one more victory? Could they get to the mark that had been unthinkable only days before, 55-66?

 

Like any game, it was impossible to know. We did know it was going to be tough; staring Eric Wedge dead in the face was Legend-In-The-Making Joe Maddon and his 48-73 Tampa Bay Devil Rays.2199194468_b967907933_medium

That's right, Devil Rays. This was before they went all driven snow, wedding gown, Longoria pure. This is back when they still had bite, swagger-the kind of swagger you get when you trot out Damon Hollins to start in half your games. Yeah, that Damon Hollins! --------->

 

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The action was hot from the very beginning. In the top of the first Casey Fossum (umm, maybe you've heard of him?) was absolutely mowing them down. Sizemore grounds out to first base unassisted. No help required for the slick fielding Travis Lee. Jason Micheals, where he's most comfortable, in the two hole? WHOOOSH! Strikes out swinging. Wow. Bring it, Fossum, bring it. We Clevelanders like a worthy adversary.

Then, it happened. The unstoppable pitcher met the unmovable hitter. As the nation turned it's eyes, Fossum stared in for the sign. Travis "Pronkey" Hafner snorted, eyes wild. The pitch came flying out of Fossum hands-old timers still talk about this pitch.

 

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It's too fast to be hit! It's supersonic Fossum stuff!

 

 

 

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No it's not fast-it's a curveball! A helluva curveball!

 

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WOWIE IT'S GONE!

 

 

 

 

And just like that, the Devil Rays were in the hole staring up at the big man-the man with all the answers: C.C. Sabathia. And so, the score stayed 1-0 through two batters in the first inning, when Ben Zorbist grounded out and drove home Rocco "DiMaggio" Baldelli.

Things stayed knotted until the top of the third when, finally, the man that Eric Wedge would later call "the best leadoff hitter in the 9 spot I've ever seen", Andy Marte stepped up. You've got to realize, up to this point, Fossum had been just incredible. He'd retired 6 batters, with some other stuff happening in between them. He'd finished the last inning by inducing a groundout from maybe the best bottom of the order hitter in baseball-Hector Luna.

 

But today? Today wasn't to be Fossum's day. It was Andy's day. Andy's great day. He put that big, sweet swing of his to use and just Billy Squired it out to deep centerfield. When asked what he called that swing after the game Marte would say "Ahh, umm, not the really slow one. A faster one."

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Fast forward a couple of plays and there's Marte, touching home plate, driven in by a "Pronkney" single. Marte had set the table so that the big dogs could eat. Unselfishly, he'd scored a run to help the team. By the end of the inning it was Indians 3-1 and one name was on everyone's lips: Andy Manuel Marte. 

 

The two old pitching warhorses, long-time AL rivals, remained locked in combat for the next couple of innings. It seemed like the game might end with just that score-in fact, some fans actually left in the fourth, assured of the Cleveland victory and trying to beat Tampa traffic.


Then, the top of the fifth rolled around and everyone who had stayed realized why they had. He strolled back into the box-do I even have to specify who he was? It was the player that somone at the game described as "looking pretty alright." It was Andy and he put that same swing on the ball to the same effect: deep CF, double. If everyone wasn't buzzing already, they were now.

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Now, this next part sounds unbelievable but everyone who was there at the game, the 15,405 paid attendees inside of "The Trop", swear to its veracity. Marte stood at second base and pointed at Grady Sizemore, now in the batter's box.  Some thought he was saying "I'm coming for your leadoff job" but others who knew Marte well knew better.

It was more of what Clevelanders would fall in love with over his next 110 odd appearances in two years-the famous "Marte magnanimity." Andy was saying "Hey Grady, drive me in. Get yourself a RBI." 

I'm sure I don't have to tell you that the third basemen, giddy like a house cat who knows he doesn't have to live in Buffalo anymore, was crossing home plate soon. Unselfishly, Marte later credited Grady with the RBI saying "Grady got that RBI, so I was able to score."

It seemed like a victory lap, icing on the cake when Marte finally took some credit for himself by belting a leadoff homerun in the top of the 7th, a homerun that retrosheet would later classify as a "Fly Ball" in one of the all time comic understatements. A "Fly Ball"? This was a deep "Fly Ball"; one that left the park in fact! Old timers still talk about that homerun!

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That ball left the ballpark that one time. I'm so dusty.

 

 

 

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When Matte hit that homerun off Facem, it counted for one run.

 

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We're never going back to Tampa after we got arressted at Gasparilla. What a hellhole. And beer isn't even that cheap!

 

 

 

Then Marte struck out looking in the top of the 9th, Brian Sikorski and Jason Davis combined to blow the 5-3 lead and the Indians lost.

 

But no matter! The headlines the next day were surely not about how this game was emblematic of the Tribe's inability to provide run support to a Cy Young candidate or about one of the most disappointing seasons in recent memory or even about how novel Joe Maddon's glasses still seemed in 2006. No! They were about Andy Marte and his day in the sun. They were about the greatest game in Andy Marte's career.

 

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Shine on, you crazy diamond.

 

 

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it’s too bad you can’t rec more than once

by c9kay32 on Feb 20, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty spectacular.

Is this really the same game where Sikorski got the Hold and the Loss?

by Jay on Feb 20, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

For those who haven’t gotten the annual yet, Brian Sikorski recorded both a hold and a loss in this game. I don’t think we cut that line. This was really the peak of Cleveland bullpen incompetence.

by afh4 on Feb 20, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to say, yeah. Pretty incredible right?

Before I said all of that other stuff.

by afh4 on Feb 20, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s still in there.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So I just walked upstairs to a different computer.

Do our stories load totally differently on IE than on Firefox?

IE looks to be reverting to the old photo formatting-everything centered, paragraph breaked.

Firefox is ok with the align left, align right business.

by afh4 on Feb 20, 2009 1:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

IE is a hellhole. I stopped even checking.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Safari understands your syntax.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Feb 20, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The align attribute on the img tag has been deprecated since HTML 4.01, and IE interprets it differently than other browsers do. There is a way around it using floats, but do you really care that much? I feel the same way about browser issues as I do about Andy Marte – yeah, there’s a big screwup there, but I’m just to sick of it all to care any more. Just DFA IE and be done with it.

by FredOx on Feb 20, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Try Chrome out. I switched about 2 months ago and have never looked back.

by Toxicadam on Feb 20, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they haven’t come out with the Mac version yet, have they?

by APV on Feb 20, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I’m Firefox, so I have no problems. I just plopped down in front of my parents’ Vaio desktop and realized “huh-this is screwed up.”

by afh4 on Feb 20, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

REC

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Feb 20, 2009 2:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have to be honest with you Andrew. I was looking for a Norman Mailer tag.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Feb 20, 2009 2:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I remember a Spring Training game where he hit like two doubles and a home run in 2006.

Then again, it was Spring Training.

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 20, 2009 4:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

or an 0-3 in May where he worked the count and it seemed like he made good contact, yet Wedge pulled him for a pinch hitter in the 8th.

ah, memories

by SanD on Feb 20, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And the time Garko didn’t run out a ball, and Wedge fumed on the bench trying to think of the single most humiliating thing he could ever do to Garko. And then he did it.

by SuddenSam on Feb 20, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Feb 20, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’d retired 6 batters, with some other stuff happening in between them.

Fantastic.

Carmona for Cy Young 2009

by danvail on Feb 20, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I was gonna post the same thing.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 20, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this just made my weekend.

by lenred on Feb 20, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Simply awesome.

Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is incredibly well done.

by ClarkM on Feb 20, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is just astoundingly good. I never have enough superlatives for this stuff. Just perfect — a suitable memorial for a man we won’t soon forget.

Also!

Then Marte struck out looking in the top of the 9th, Brian Sikorski and Jason Davis combined to blow the 5-3 lead and the Indians lost.

That’s just freaking classic.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 20, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My favorite part.

"Less of an Indians fan" - Jay

by Voltaire on Feb 20, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you need to embed a video of David Bowie’s “Heroes” at the end of this

by APV on Feb 20, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Or the Foo Foo Fighters… “there goes my hero…”

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Feb 20, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which Tribe postseason was it where the played the Wallflowers’ “Heroes” song over and over?

And great as always Andrew.

by dgcambridge on Feb 20, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was against the Red Sox, either in ’98 or ’99. I remember this vividly.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 20, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would respectfully argue that this was Andy’s greatest game as an Indian. And I think it’s fitting that through all of his ups and downs, I was somehow in attendance for that game. So long sweet prince.

by supermarioelia on Feb 20, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was not prepared to consider Spring Training games.

Andy has exactly one (1) three hit game in his career. So, the choice is sort of easy.

by afh4 on Feb 20, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But can we ignore the only time he ever reached base 4 times in one game? Because when I think of the name Andy Marte, I think OBP.

Yeah maybe not. He was wild that game though. Both his homers were destroyed to deep left.

by supermarioelia on Feb 20, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome! Hector Luna, eat your heart out!

by LeftyCatcher on Feb 20, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been a lurker for quite some time now and felt I had to compliment you on this one. I mean, all of your previous posts have been great but this, to me, takes it to another level. Tremendously funny. Well done.

by matt7 on Feb 20, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Thanks. Glad to have you.

by afh4 on Feb 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec for lurkers who know the etiquette

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 20, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously. Maybe this is the good time of year for new guys.

by Jay on Feb 20, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jay, it’s a good time of year for you, too.

by Brick. on Feb 20, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha….I am well aware of the etiquette.

by matt7 on Feb 21, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, be honest, new guy. How hard is it for a lurker to know the etiquette? And how terrifying are we?

by Jay on Feb 21, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s definitely not that hard to learn the etiquette and just the general style of the blog and it’s members. I wouldn’t characterize you guys as terrifying. I think, if anything, people get intimidated when they first start participating because you soon realize that you guys are a very close-knit group who call out BS.

Also, I this thing actually has a built-in spell checker? I mean, come on Brick, no excuses.

by matt7 on Feb 22, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I this thing actually has a built-in spell checker? I mean, come on Brick, no excuses.

I don’t think the first part of this is intentional but it’s all hilarious.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

clearly no built-in grammar checker.

by Brick. on Feb 22, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, no grammar check. Would have helped there.

by matt7 on Feb 22, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously? where is that and how do you use it?

by Brick. on Feb 22, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It just underlines the misspelled word for me.

by matt7 on Feb 22, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s just a FireFox thing, I think.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 22, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, don’t have that, even if i know i should.

by Brick. on Feb 22, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you possibly need a built in spell checker? You’re hte human spell checker!

by afh4 on Feb 22, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Firefox’ spell checker is wrong frequently enough to not be trusted completely.

by fwembt on Feb 23, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 24, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really. I’ve had to run to m-w a few times to confirm that Firefox had something a bit off.

by fwembt on Feb 24, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

love me some m-w

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 24, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Safari, too

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 22, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and, honestly, i don’t even know what safari is. i just do what microsoft tells me to do.

by Brick. on Feb 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine – Steve Ballmer told me to tell you to install IE Spell.

by FredOx on Feb 23, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i will do this at home for sure. thanks!

by Brick. on Feb 23, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BOO!

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Feb 23, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is true that there are a lot of diehard fans who really did not get into the Indians to have their BS called out all the time, it spoils the fun for them. I don’t really fault them for it in general, this is just not the place for them.

I think the genesis of my moderating “style” was that I wanted to see if it was possible to have a baseball site where RBI vs. OPS didn’t have to get re-debated every single week … or ever. Mission accomplished.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity, are there many other spots on the interwebs with this quality of posting/commenting? I don’t visit any other forums, so I have no insight into this.

by supermarioelia on Feb 22, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No. I am actually doing some case studies on this right now. I mean, there are “many” in that there are more than a dozen probably, but as a percentage of all internet-based forums? I’d say the number is well under 1%. Most forums are, no joke, total hellholes.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m really interested to see what your final conclusions are. And I’m sure you’ll be able to articulate our uniqueness in an incredible manner.

It’s funny that after two years here, I still find it incredibly difficult to articulate what exactly we do on here, and why it’s unlike anything else on the web. Apart from that article in the Inquirer a while back, it’s tough to really our experience here into a real-world context. Which is why I’m so excited for the Annual….something about a tangible item that can help outsiders to understand the coolness of the LGT community.

by supermarioelia on Feb 22, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s tough to really put our experience here into a real-world context

by supermarioelia on Feb 22, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d love to know some of the others. They’d probably be disappointed you told me about them, but, nevertheless.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I also would love to know some of the others!

If anyone has any communities to recommend as interesting examples, please feel free to suggest something, I could use the help.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Royals Review is a community a lot like this one. I’m sure you already knew that, though.

Duke Basketball Report (dukebasketballreport.com) is like the only viable Duke message board.

The discourse is low on the boards (low basketball iq, all very, very pro-duke) but a lot of dynamics exist there that are similar to here. There’s some mods who go out of their way to keep it in line ("Jumbo") and there’s a lot of fully formed e-personalities who’ve been posting their for years. The site also has a content section where the editors/writers whatever provide original content which is fine, I guess.

by afh4 on Feb 22, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually am interested more in examples outside the sports world. Most people who are interested in cultivating online community are not in the sports world.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 23, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good online communities are hard to cultivate. Look at xkcd’s Map of Online Communities and decide which one you’d rather visit than this one. In my experience, the sub-sub-culture fora are sometimes good. Maintaining community is even harder – look what happened to Metafilter. Heck, even Slashdot used to Not Suck.

by FredOx on Feb 23, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A good example outside of the sports world, Stackoverflow.com is a great site with a very interesting take on developing a community.

It’s for application developers that need answers to very specific questions. The twist is that they built in rules that award “karma” for using the site in the desired manner or for using the correct behavior. The more karma you have, the more you can do on the site. The site basically “learns” to trust you based on what you’ve done before.

There’s a related blog and podcast also that have a lot of detail into the thinking behind the site. Those are also interesting in their own right, if you’re into coding and such.

Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax...

by ganatz on Feb 23, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jay, I was involved with IGN vide game message boards for a while. Really unique and interesting conglomerate of boards that range from complete rubbish to reasonably intelligible, depending on the topic. Would be glad to chat more if you’re interested.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 23, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t lurk at either site much anymore, but I can think of two that I consider good.

Archniect boasts BldgBlog’s Geoff Manaugh as one of its editors.

Design Observer has an impressive editorial staff, solid contributors, and their share of diehards and vox populi. I’ve witnessed some explosive threads there. Unfortunately there’s a lot of pedantry and high-horsemanship among the crowd, but a lot of that has been beaten back.

The incomparable Michael Beirut (who’s from Cleveland) is an author there, and he ends up writing about baseball a couple of times a year. They raised the standards of their contributors a couple years ago after an embarrassing rash of amateurish posts. Some heads rolled, and Beirut et al elevated their games. It’s been much better since. It’s an internet success story, and hopefully a good case study for you.

by jhon on Feb 23, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew, did you really just recommend DBR? really?

And good piece, but don’t hate on Casey Fossum. He was a mild fan favorite back in Boston (that was before you hated all things Boston) and basically won the Sox a World Series (a little indirectly).

by BTLove on Feb 23, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still waiting for the part where you give us a reason not to hate on Fossum.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 23, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He once led the AL in hit batsmen. That’s something I’ve always respected.

by BTLove on Feb 23, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anti-Garko.

by afh4 on Feb 23, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does that count as recommending? I just meant it existed as some kind of “case study” for civil boards.

Originally my comment said “the discourse is very low” but I thought that was harsh.

DBR sucks. A lot.

by afh4 on Feb 23, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Incidentally, I didn’t even realize they had a message board/community. That’s how bad the format is.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 23, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did sort of like the Red Sox when they were comprised of, like, Troy O’Leary and Casey Fossum.

by afh4 on Feb 23, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I didn’t even find the first WS team that hateable. It wasn’t till the Pedroias and J.D. Drews of the world started showing up that I really began to hate them.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 23, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s mostly their fans that I hate, which have grown exponentially since their first WS title.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 23, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hated that team. The whole idiots thing was idiotic.

They had a large payroll, 127 million, which was second to the jackasses at 184 million. Third was the Angles at 100 million.

They had annoying, douche bag fans who thought that everyone should root for them just because they were playing the jackasses and they hadn’t won in a long time.

The players weren’t very likeable. Schilling, Varitek, Damon, Manny, and Pedro are not what I would describe as likeable.

by ClarkM on Feb 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are we just substituting Jackasses for Yankees at this point?

The New York Jackasses?

How far and wide could this spread?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why refer to them as anything else?

by ClarkM on Feb 23, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Justin and the Jackasses

by Brick. on Feb 23, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of the jackasses. I am about to purchase tickets to the opening of the new Jackass Stadium to watch our boys in action

by Roger Dorn on Feb 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hated the “everybody root for the Red Sox because of their poor, suffering fans.” Meanwhile, the Pats were winning 3 Super Bowls and dominating the NFL, and of course the Celtics have won more NBA championships that anyone. But I’m supposed to feel sorry for Boston fans?

Do you think when the Indians make the WS (or the Cavs make the NBA Finals, which has a pretty decent shot of happening), the media will be asking people to root for the Cleveland teams to win because of their long-suffering fans? After all, there are guys in their 40’s who have never seen a title in Cleveland.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 23, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think when the Indians make the WS (or the Cavs make the NBA Finals, which has a pretty decent shot of happening), the media will be asking people to root for the Cleveland teams to win because of their long-suffering fans? After all, there are guys in their 40’s who have never seen a title in Cleveland.

Yes. It’s a good angle. It gets played every year with a lot of teams.

Now, the extent to which it was played with Boston is a whole new level. The Cubs get that extent every year, though.

I mean, they made a big deal about Philly when they won. Finally! Championships back in Philly!

They made a big deal about Tampa. Finally! Tampa makes the playoffs!

Finally! is a good angle.

by afh4 on Feb 23, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Finally, Old Man Leyland wins a World Series. I vaguely remember Costas saying something to this effect in 97

by Roger Dorn on Feb 23, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, in 2001, we were supposed to be rooting for 9-11 to win the World Series. Never mind that the Mets players were waist-deep in the recovery efforts while the Jackasses were nowhere to be found.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 23, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, they’ll play up that angle, but not as much as with the Red Sox, which is my point. And you hear every year about how long it’s been since the Cubs won a WS but you never hear anything about the Indians, or Cleveland sports in general.

The best thing probably is to hit [Grady] 2nd -- Jay

by Buckeye Brad on Feb 23, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly rooted for the Yankees in that ALCS. Seriously.

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 23, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you were young and dumb back then. There was no LGT.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 23, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So the Sox winning that Series and the World Series after that, and everything since then with that just god-awful franchise – not even that is enough to pull for the Yankees to win the ALCS? (And obviously not the World Series.)

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 23, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No. Not even close.

In terms of things not directly involving the Indians, the greatest sporting event of the decade (so far) was the Yankees suffering the most humiliating collapse in the known history of sports. They can’t ever escape that, and it’s a beautiful thing.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 24, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For the record, I wasn’t trying to convince anybody. Just stating a fact.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 23, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do people actually hate JD Drew? I have no interest in defending the Sox in this forum, but JD Drew? I’ve heard of people that hate Schilling, Pedroia, Youkilis, Millar etc. But I never knew that anyone gave JD Drew a second thought.

by BTLove on Feb 23, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You might want to go check the box scores from the 2007 ALCS.

More than that, though, Drew is an accurate representation of the difference between the Indians and the Red Sox. These are similarly run franchises except the Indians cannot ever, ever do something like sign JD Drew. The ability to make a mistake like that, to take a chance like that-it’s a luxury. And it’s frustrating that we don’t have that luxury.

The Hafner signing that everyone thinks is so bad for us? It never hits 14 million a year. Never.

The Red Sox gave Drew 5 years of 14 million and when he sucked, they shrugged. The Indians gave Hafner a conservative deal and he sucked, and there’s legit concern our whole team might go down with him.

Granted, the Indians were locking Hafner up, etc etc. But it’s not the individual scenarios, it’s the raw dollars. The Red Sox leverage their fiscal competitive advantage effectively but that doesn’t make JD Drew any more palatable when you know why he’s in Boston and what that means for small market teams.

by afh4 on Feb 23, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, the 2007 ALCS. Good point. So that’s where most of the Sox hatred around here comes from. Understandable.

In terms of the whole economic advantage issue, the Sox are only doing what any team in their situation would do. It is a flawed system. You guys can hate that system all you want, but the Red Sox did not invent it. In fact, Sox ownership has advocated a new salary cap system; a system that would clearly hurt their ability to contend for the World Series every year. So I think maybe you guys should start a Red Sox Management Appreciation Thread, put your energy to a good use.

by BTLove on Feb 23, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t blame the Sox FO. Just explained why I hate JD Drew.

by afh4 on Feb 23, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude … this has all so already been discussed.

There is no call for attempting to turn every thread here into a defend-the-Red-Sox side discussion. It’s rude. Be a good guest, recognize that the Red Sox aren’t going to be liked around here.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 24, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really didn’t mean to. I was just curious about the whole JD Drew hate. I always thought we were the ones that didn’t like him (until that game 6) and everyone else was entirely indifferent (except Phillies fans). Andrew answered me well, but in discussion provoking manner. I know its a discussion that we’ve all had many times, so there really wasn’t a reason for me to bring it back up.

And in fairness to me, the only comments I’ve ever made on your site are in Andrew’s parody posts. I’m not exactly running around LGT looking for fights. I mean, there are obviously a lot of comments in this thread with which I would take issue.

Basically, I just always really liked Casey Fossum. I thought he looked like he was transported from the deadball era.

by BTLove on Feb 24, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really didn’t mean to. I was just curious about the whole JD Drew hate. I always thought we were the ones that didn’t like him (until that game 6) and everyone else was entirely indifferent (except Phillies fans). Andrew answered me well, but in discussion provoking manner. I know its a discussion that we’ve all had many times, so there really wasn’t a reason for me to bring it back up.

And in fairness to me, the only comments I’ve ever made on your site are in Andrew’s parody posts. I’m not exactly running around LGT looking for fights. I mean, there are obviously a lot of comments in this thread with which I would take issue.

Basically, I just always really liked Casey Fossum. I thought he looked like he was transported from the deadball era.


Okay.

Fixed.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 24, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha. Touche.

by BTLove on Feb 24, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was indifferent to Troy O’Leary until he hit a granny in game 5

by Roger Dorn on Feb 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Serving Brick on your first official thread?? Nice one new guy.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Feb 24, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not the new guy anymore… it was fun while it lasted.

/sheds single tear

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Feb 22, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I found this hilarious.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I wanted to thank you for the Pink Floyd reference

by Roger Dorn on Feb 23, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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