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Well, Jesus, me too.

I hate the vague description of what doctors did to fix his hand ("pulley system?" Would it have been too difficult to actually explain it?) And I know we've discussed Miller plenty. But seeing him talk about feeling healthy gets me so pumped.

And then I feel like this again. C'mon, Adam. Let's do this.

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If Adam Miller arrives and contributes I don’t know what I’ll do with myself.

by afh4 on Feb 22, 2009 1:27 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I’ll tell you what the mass of fans will do: clamor to move him into the rotation.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t that make sense though? There’s no rule that it’s easier to stay healthy in the bullpen than in the rotation.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

This year is just about the innings, primarily. There’s a chance he’d slot back in the rotation in 2010, maybe like Fausto’s 2006 to 2007 transition in the bigs … but that’s getting WAY ahead of things.

by macasson on Feb 22, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, of course that’s true. That’s why we also should move Kerry Wood into the rotation.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And re-sign Bob Wickman and pitch him in the rotation.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been thinking more about this. I was trying to say that there’s no reason that the current utilization of Miller or Wood, to a lesser extent, will always be necessary for their health.

Especially in the case of Miller, it seems possible that, as he matures and learns to pitch at the highest level, he will also learn how to manage his body more effectively and perhaps better maintain his health, potentially allowing a return to the rotation.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It isn’t necessarily the case that knowing or not knowing something has had anything to do with his injuries.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. But there’s kind of a chance, right?

by NickFantana on Feb 23, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Hello Nick,

Certainly, I think the long term of the goal for Miller and the Indians is to return him to the rotation; obviously (or maybe arguably, if you think a closer is more valuable than a front-of-the-rotation starter), he’d be more valuable as a frontline, top-of-the-rotation starter than as a back-end reliever, even a closer.

However, based on how many innings he has pitched in the past few seasons due to injuries, it would be virtually impossible and irresponsible for the Indians to even consider putting him into the rotation in 2009, no matter how much the fans might want them to. Putting him in the rotation in 2010 is more of a possibility, though I know someone (APV? Not sure) here wondered if that would even be feasible, being that Miller probably couldn’t go near 200 IP as a starter in 2010 if you’re going to limit his IP increase to around 15-20%, the usual amount one suggests to increase a pitcher’s workload from year to year. And certainly, you’d wouldn’t put Miller in the #5 spot in the rotation (due to the fact the #5 spot gets skipped from time to time during the course of the season), so I’m not sure if 2010 would even be possible, though it’s likely the Indians would look on making it happen if Miller remains healthy and is quite dominant out of the bullpen in 2009.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Feb 23, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it might actually be easier to stay healthy in the pen if we assume the more innings pitched, the greater the chance of injury. Under that assumption, you move the pitcher to the pen so that you can decrease the amount of innings pitched while also trying to leverage those innings that he does pitch or something like that.

by ClarkM on Feb 22, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think, pretty clearly, there are some guys who will have more trouble staying healthy in the rotation, and some guys who will have more trouble staying healthy in the bullpen. Almost all pitchers have some trouble staying healthy, so it makes sense to look at it from a mitigation perspective.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Feb 22, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Game threads are going to be off the hook when he strikes opposing hitters out. Remember when Marte got his first hit? Magnify that, I would guess.

by tabler84 on Feb 22, 2009 7:31 AM EST reply actions  

Game threads are going to be off the hook when he strikes opposing hitters out. Remember when Marte got his first hit homer? MagnifyNot as big as that, I would guess.

fixed.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Feb 22, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Marte got a hit? Like, in a Major League game?

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Feb 22, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw him hit a home run in person. But now, I’m wondering if that was a dream.

"Less of an Indians fan" - Jay

by Voltaire on Feb 22, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess?! I think, “No Doubt,” since Miller I think has had a bigger following than Marte thanks to that incredible fastball and slider combination, which has been on display in the Minors for several seasons, making it a reality. Marte’s prodigious HR power was too often “missing in action” while in the Indians’ system, being more like a myth than reality, unfortunately.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Feb 23, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

This time, he wanted to offend you.

by Brad D on Feb 23, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to find a way to use a “wtf are pulley systems” tag in the near future.

by fleerdon on Feb 22, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

I notice that Shapiro has taken the same approach we do, Hoynes says he’s stopped expecting anything from Miller.

by NickFantana on Feb 22, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

I was able to maintain that all throughout last season. But now I’m like an off the wagon addict…I need me an Adam Miller fix.

by APV on Feb 22, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

oh it is too early for that.

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Feb 22, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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