Wading, once again, into the Cleveland.com swamp

Why do I do this? Should I visit a therapist?

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by still ill on Mar 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs

Agincourt?

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

This.

by Ryan on Mar 14, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriously, dawg? I thought that reference was just about universal.

by JulioBernazard on Mar 15, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Combating idiocy with a smile and inch-perfect hair since 2008.

by Brad D on Mar 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions

LOL. That’s a couple years old — I think it’s thinner these days.

by tabler84 on Mar 14, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Don’t forget your bushy moustache and tuft of chest hair.

by NickFantana on Mar 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

So is that considered enough hair to go national, or do you have to get plugs?

I mean, I’m jealous, you’re doing much better than I am, but I know standards are high. For the hair, I mean.

Also, you’re pretty edgy for Rochester.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I currently have enough hair to go national, but it’s close. In five years it might not be so close. And going national is for losers who look at themselves in the mirror for like four freaking hours a day. I limit that noise to three.

by tabler84 on Mar 14, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

might be favorite tabs post ever.

by Brick. on Mar 15, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions

You gonna talk them into letting you be their 2009 world series reporter? If we somehow don’t make it, I’m sure you’ve got interns lying around who would love to do it.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Mar 14, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s a face that just screams “put me on the night shift on ESPN2”.

by mauichuck on Mar 14, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I think you meant the nightshift on ESPN news ;)

by talonk on Mar 15, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions

I think you meant nightshift on CSPAN.

by tabler84 on Mar 15, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m thinking more of a dark haried, shorter, early Scott Van Pelt.

by mauichuck on Mar 15, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions

SVP is one of the best ESPN has, so that’s a complement.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

ESPN News has a night shift?

"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.

by Harry Doyle on Mar 16, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

If your options were Evan or reruns, you’d go reruns too.

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Mar 17, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions

This.

by tabler84 on Mar 17, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

This looks like a face that could get press credentials for a World Cup qualifier. It *has to be good enough to get World Series press credentials.

by lenred on Mar 15, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions

ooooh

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 15, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

No, you should visit the Jake. Many of the guys that post on cleveland.com are the guys that’ll be sitting next to you in the stands at the ball park. If you ever do get to meet them you’ll find that they’re the kinda guys you can have a few beers with – talk baseball – and just hang out.

by mauichuck on Mar 14, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

Chuck, most of the folks at the ballpark would never post at cleveland.com or probably anywhere else. It is a very tiny proportion of the population that ever posts on cleveland.com, and I think in general you would find that they are more anti-social types than guys and gals you’d like to have a beer with.

I am proud to say, there are bunch of true good-to-have-a-beer-with people on this site, and I know (as you do) because I’ve actually had a beer with them. Plus, there’s Erik, who’s a good guy to have a beer with he has a Bay Breeze or ZIma or some other girl drink.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 14, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

That’s my point exactly. The baseball community is composed of all types of folks, some introspective, some seat-of-the-pants type thinkers, some don’t think at all. In the end it doesn’t matter. We share a bond – albeit an irrational attachment – to a child’s game. Some guys obsess over BP, some piss and moan over Marte’s playing time, some are honked off about the Hafner signing – so what? There is only one standard for being a "true" baseball fan – we treat each other with respect.

by mauichuck on Mar 14, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I think the respect thing only goes so far. It is very difficult to respect someone who can’t communicate a thought in common English and whose only contribution is screaming “you suck” at a game or posting about how cheap the Dolans are on cleveland.com. That’s difficult to respect. For there to be a level of respect there has to be some attempt at intelligent give and take. You can get that here, not at cleveland.com or, most of the time, at the Jake.

by Brad D on Mar 14, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Eh, it’s the internet. A big portion of it is Candyland anyway. People are more hateful behind keyboards than they are in real life.

by joeee on Mar 14, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t know about that, but more significantly, I don’t care.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 14, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m just speaking from personal experience, but I’d bet it applies in most cases. For instance: I’m talking with a friend and he says “Adam Dunn is bad because he has a low BA.” I’d explain to him that BA is incomplete – it matters but it’s overrated. Here, I might just say, “do u even no wut ur talking about bro???” I’d be way more dismissive – it’s easier to dismiss a text box than someone’s face, unless you’re a total unfeeling sociopath.

by joeee on Mar 14, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I hear unfeeling sociopaths actually get really emotional about text boxes. It’s weird.

by Logodaedalus on Mar 15, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

This struck me as hilarious. Rec.

Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.

by gte619n on Mar 15, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions

I really hadn’t considered that angle

by joeee on Mar 15, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions

I’m with you. I tire quickly of hearing drunken “YOU SUCK” over and over again during a game, especially when I’ve brought my 8 year old along.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Mar 14, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

One time a guy sitting a couple rows behind me in the bleachers was yelling “Throw the funny one!” the whole game. The scary thing is that I don’t think he was drunk.

by Ryan on Mar 14, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I think that was me.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 15, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs

Except most of cleveland.com people don’t treat each other with respect. Do you read the comments they make on that site? Constantly complaining about everything your team does and every player on the team doesn’t make me think they’re treating people with respect.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 14, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions

OK, OK, I give. What could I have been thinking? Of course we are much, much, smarter and insightful than those poor unsophisticated dolts who post on cleveland.com. And yes, the Great Unwashed know next to nothing about baseball and all of its many intricacies. Ya gotta go to college to understand all that sophisticated stuff. Those boorish louts shouldn’t be allowed to own a computer, much less post on a local news site. So, yes, we have a right, neigh an obligation, to piss on them and their mis-informed, stats-ignorant views from the great heights that we occupy.

And ya know what? We’re much more charming and better looking too.

by mauichuck on Mar 14, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Glad you finally figured things out, it was getting hard to keep explaining.

by Brad D on Mar 14, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Chuck, I never said any of that. The behavior I’m talking about has nothing to do with their views of baseball and whether they use stats properly or not. Is that really what you think this is about? It’s about they way they talk to each other and about the Indians players/management. Of course I think they’re misinformed if they judge players by RBI and BA, but that’s not why I said they don’t treat people with respect. That has nothing to do with intellgence level or where they went to college, so why are you reading things in to that comment that I never said?

I was responding to your comment about fans treating people with respect. If you read those comments, you would see that many (certainly not all) don’t seem like the type of people who treat others with respect. They’re very hateful and constantly complain about everything, and nothing the team does ever makes them happy. Again, not all, but many. That’s the kind of person you’d like to watch a game with, or have a beer with? Not me. And it has nothing to do with their baseball intelligence.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 14, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions

In other words, there’s no point spending your time reading comments that you know will make that vein on your forehead bulge. Instead, consider cleaning some real-life gutters…as in the ones on your house. At least those only need cleaning a couple times a year.

by Ryan on Mar 15, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Excellent post. The voyeur plays a role in the creation of the horror.

by hans on Mar 16, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I’ll stand up for us a little here. There is a significant difference, and not because we’re cooler or smarter, but because this site has A) a lot more interaction and B) more oversight. There is a large enough volume of posts here from regulars that we have some traditions (some official, some unofficial) that encourage respect, and to some extent, comments with a little more thought behind them. It’s more like an airport bar over there. Some nice people, some weirdos, lots of stray comments with no follow-up. It’s a situation that invites one type of post in particular: the drop-in-and-shout based on the experience of the last five minutes. (OK, I haven’t really spent that much time in airport bars, I may be stretching it.) And some boards are just more trollable than others.

So the people may not be different, but the board is, and encourages a different type of communication. And a large reason for that is the time and work that people like you, Chuck, have put in here.

by dgcambridge on Mar 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions

That is all true, but LGT isn’t cle.com and isn’t in danger of ever becoming like that. Cle.com sucks to some, but they have a right to suck as long as they keep it inbounds. It’s like that friend whose house is really dirty – you think to yourself, “man this place is gross, is this guy insane?” But if you intentionally come into his house all the time then tell everybody how crazy his cleaning habits are, you’re being a turd, because chances are you like, pick your nose or have some weird habit of your own secretly.

by joeee on Mar 15, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

True that. I didn’t want to say anything, because it’s a topic that gets old.

by dgcambridge on Mar 15, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Look, all I’m saying is that none of this means anything. I’m pretty sure the posters over at cleveland.com understand that – and we should too. Let’s not try to read too much into an irrational obsession.

by mauichuck on Mar 15, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions

That is all true, but LGT isn’t cle.com and isn’t in danger of ever becoming like that.

Just wait until there’s a major story about the Indians on Yahoo Sports front page, and all the trolls start coming by posting fanshots in fanposts and fanpost in fanshots and using the subject line.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Mar 15, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

We got it covered. Stay strong.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 15, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I have confidence that you do. I didn’t mean to infer it would become like that, so I should have ended the quote before the “and isn’t in danger of eve becoming like that”. As Brad mentions below, DBN has taken a brutal hit from fly-by night posters that found the site from yahoo’s front page story on Donte Stallworth.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Mar 16, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions

That’s what has started happening at Dawgs By Nature. Chris, the moderator, had to rewrite the guidelines and post them on the front page for everyone to read. We started a FanPost about the Draft so everyone can post their thoughts in one place, but of course every new guy who shows up makes his own FanPost about who the Browns should draft or what trade they should make. Not to mention the number of people who can’t figure out how to use the reply button.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions

I can’t see myself going back there much anymore if the past two days’ activities continue. While there are some good posters there, wading through the muck isn’t worth it.

Fortunately, there’s no muck to wade through here.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on Mar 16, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Chris just gave me moderator abilities so I can delete inappropriate posts or comments. So I can help to keep the site clean of that stuff since he’s not always on the site to check on things. I’m on there quite a few times a day so I can get rid of that stuff quicker, and hopefully we’ll have better control over the site and keep out the muck. So it should be getting better.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Good for him, and congrats on your anointment.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 16, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank you, Jay, although I’m just going to be a “bouncer”, not really writing articles other than my normal posts and comments. But I do appreciate the thought.

by Buckeye Brad on Mar 16, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

When it comes to the quality of the community and the discussions, bouncing and having clear guidelines are the most important things. I think Ryan would agree with me on this.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 16, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep, the foundation of a vibrant Internet community has to have are clear ground rules, and timely consistent enforcement of those rules.

by Ryan on Mar 17, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Shouldn’t one of those ground rules be “No posting at 4:54 AM?”

by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope. The blog is here for us whenever we need it. Even if that’s at 4:54 AM, of just over an hour later at 5:48 AM.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Mar 17, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions

by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

… even if we’re drunk and can’t tell time or spell.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Congrats!

by JulioBernazard on Mar 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Haha, I like this analogy. Also, kudos for using “turd.” I chuckled.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Mar 16, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions

I can’t argue with this of course. I do like a hard lemonade much more than a beer.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Mar 14, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Good man.

by Voltaire on Mar 14, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

You’ll grow out of this. As for Erik, there’s no hope.

I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck

by Turkmenbashi on Mar 15, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

True dat (the latter statement).

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Mar 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

You’re young, give it time

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 15, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

For shame.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 15, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

This

by Brad D on Mar 14, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions

/clever beer-grammar joke/

by Brick. on Mar 15, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions

Not really? A football fan who doesn’t like drinking beer in a pub?

So 2009.

by Gradyforpresident on Mar 15, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

If I do I usually drink Blue Moon or Guinness. I’m just really more a fan of the hard liquor.

by Brad D on Mar 15, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Plus, many of these guys have forgotten that you’re the president of the fan club. You have a certain amount of obligation to give me props.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Mar 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Possible replacement avatar?

Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.

by gte619n on Mar 15, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions

by still ill on Mar 15, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

god this is awesome.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Mar 16, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions

This blog right here is a good example of why this place is great.

Chuck: There’s a difference between accepting the differences in people and enjoying them for what they are great at. I have no beef between sharing a beer at the ballpark with a knuckle-dragger or a physisicist, but the folks over at cleveland.com are a new breed of mouth breather. There is zero chance at having an intelligent discussion there, about anything. If you don’t believe me, try. I believe the people there represent the bottom 3% of humanity… on a good day.

Joee: way to drop that turd perfectly. I would prefer a person who picks his nose to an idiot.

"Mixed emotions. Rather see him hit PEDroia [with that pitch]. I don’t care if he is in the dugout"

by Gradysmanldy on Mar 16, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions