Indians/Rangers game thread, 3/17
Indians vs. Rangers, starting lineups like so (via Castro):
INDIANS: CF Grady Sizemore, 2B Jamey Carroll, DH Travis Hafner, 3B Jhonny Peralta, RF Ben Francisco, C Kelly Shoppach, SS Asdrubal Cabrera, LF Matt LaPorta, 1B Michael Aubrey. LHP Cliff Lee.
Also available to pitch: RHP Kerry Wood, RHP Joe Smith, RHP Masa Kobayashi, LHP Tony Sipp, RHP Juan Salas, RHP Matt Herges, RHP Ed Mujica.
RANGERS: 2B Ian Kinsler, 3B Michael Young, CF Josh Hamilton, RF Nelson Cruz, DH Marlon Byrd, LF David Murphy, 1B Chris Davis, C Jarrod Saltalamacchia, SS Elvis Andrus. RHP Scott Feldman.
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Indians go 1-2-3, Lee’s giving up hits left & right, Grady lets one clank off his glove, WE’RE SCREWED, CALL OFF THE SEASON NOW.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lee is throwing nothing but fastballs. to the rangers starting line-up. who know he’s throwing nothing but fastballs.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see you made this point early on. Also, isn’t it funny that we sarcastically over-react and then it actually happens later?
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, i came back and this was the first post i read and thought: “huh, wonder what he means” then i got to the bottom.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t this just happen against the Rockies?
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 17, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems like one of those games where nothing will go right
by Roger Dorn on Mar 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
except that it is taking place in march.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wild pitch/passed ball, Shoppach airmails the throw over 3B to score another run.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cut everyone
As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.
by bigbrabbs on Mar 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Hammy? I don’t have as much interest in listening to these games unless Hammy is doing them
by Roger Dorn on Mar 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When it’s only on mlb.com I think it’s pretty consistently been Mark Schwab &.. some other guy whose name I never remember.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hammy is too big to do internet-only broadcasts.
What, is Mark Schwab too smarmy for you?
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does rank pretty high on the smarm-o-meter, yes.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then do not explore his “blog” on the WTAM site where he takes smarm and righteousness to a whole ’nother level.
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 17, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jhonny talking is awesome. really. i love that guy.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny talking makes me want Lasics.
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice breaking ball from Cliffy to get his second K
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jhonny showing young he can handle the switch to third, too. only he doesn’t have to.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i could tell by the swish of the bat missing the ball and the emphatic call . . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget to take advantage of the “reply” function.
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaPorta & Aubrey with back-to-back singles for the Tribe.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the word “moist.”
Let’s start a word-hating club.
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 17, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say all the time that a certain word is annoying. Then always forget about it 20 minutes later.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 17, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has anyone gotten them to answer their email yet?
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pronk up with bases loaded. Good time to show something.
by cleveland teamer on Mar 17, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad time for a first-pitch pop-up
by cleveland teamer on Mar 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, unfortunately :/
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pooop
Don't be stupid. PUT IN MELOAN.
by gte619n on Mar 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pooop-up
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy. This should be good, right? (Hafner up bases juiced.)
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not good.
No, not you. Your helmet!
by PatBordersHelmet on Mar 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Cruz really just get a triple??? 5-0 now . . . ugly.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it’s March, and it’s just been 20 at-bats. But let’s say there really is no Hafner this year. What will we see?
I assume that we would see Martinez, Shoppach and Garko in the lineup every day. With Looch throw in occasionally against righties.
That would be to start. And then we’d be waiting for either Mills or LaPorta to be performing near the top of their reasonable projections (say around the 75th percentile of PECOTA), and they’re up in the Cleveland lineup (unless somehow all of Victor/Shopp/Garko/Cisco/Choo are healthy and firing).
by dgcambridge on Mar 17, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But what do you do with this “no Hafner”? If he’s not injured, you can’t DL him. If he’s not hitting, do you just bench him & let him eat up a spot on the 25-man? Anyway, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Lots of time to go still.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don’t worry about that. You DL him, without a second thought.
by dgcambridge on Mar 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff is not inspiring a lot of confidence right now. Blah blah, early, etc, but this isn’t fun to listen to.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a mercy rule in the Cactus League?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is only allowed in spring training.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stop following the team for the year if they’re under .500 after 10 games. Just a personal rule.
by cleveland teamer on Mar 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure he’s kidding.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better work on that sense of humor, bro.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i totally read over the 10 games part in a rush to get through this. deep down, i know i can read, though.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I supposed to be a man, am I supposed to say, it’s OK, I don’t mind. I don’t mind. Well I mind! I mind big time! And you know what the worst part is? I NEVER LEARNED TO READ.
by cleveland teamer on Mar 17, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The excitement of 700+ comment threads for Spring Training games is now a hazy memory.
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 17, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I just put my rally cap on.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making up for that 1st inning error! Nice Grady!! Too low?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore just cranked one, woohoo.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rally cap might have a little mojo in it . . .
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-run, I think Aubrey was on.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hafner with a “hit” on a ball that skips over Kinsler’s glove. Announcers seem to think it should be an error, but whatever. Right fielder then gets an error for sailing the throw & another run scores.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rangers looking like the 1st inning Tribe.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Aubrey seems blissfully unaware he’s made of glass.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for a head count: Who’s a bit worried about Cliffy?
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Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 17, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my ST worrying is an exponential relationship with the date in march.
still not too worried.
As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.
by bigbrabbs on Mar 17, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I be worried? The season hasn’t started yet.
by jhon on Mar 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty shaken up right now. Doesn’t that seem a little more esoteric than the usual jinx?
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a true simupost. mine popped up first, then i refreshed and sure enough you were on top. it was bound to happen and if it was going to, it was going to be this exact sentance.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for a head count: who is pumped about Wood?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES.
and I didn’t say my Lee feelings were rational.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 17, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More generous scoring gets Sizemore a “hit” to the first baseman, Brantley on to pinch run for him.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…and he steals second.
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by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it early and I know last spring Lee’s ERA was bad.. but anyone getting nervous…?
by NCTRIB on Mar 17, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
upthread
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 17, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Smith in.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…and strikes out Josh Hamilton.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being an NYC resident, I watched a lot of Joe Smith last year and think that he will play a key role for the Tribe.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone able to watch this or just listen? I’m new, so…. please bear with me!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think today’s game is exclusively on mlb.com
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just listening right now, no video feed for this one.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
by zempf on Mar 17, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm….2 Ks for Masa – but also 2 hits and a run
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
notice how the announcer mentioned that Masa was a big part of the bullpen in the first half of the season (we no good) but then was rarely used after the all-star break (we good)?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think we should let Masa go and swallow the remainder of the contract? And what about Lee?
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you’re suggesting that we also let Lee go, I think most people around here came to that conclusion during his last ST start. Stern but fair.
by joeee on Mar 17, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee’s numbers weren’t that great last spring, but, seriously and ERA of 18.90 is a bit much, huh?
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look up Sabathia’s spring training stats from last season. and then write this on the back of your palm with a penknife – spring training stats don’t predict regular season performance
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, are you saying that Masa or Eddie Mujica is in for Rolaids Reliever of the Year? smile
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, waiting for the season to start, I found myself reading a Fantasy Baseball blog, and I don’t even care about fantasy baseball. The point of the blog, as I remember, was that you can predict breakout season performances based on spring training numbers. Something like, if a batter slugs 200 points higher in spring than his career slugging average, it indicates he is due for a hot year.
by odradek on Mar 17, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there is something to that, but it’s way less than 100% of course.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just looking at that. Marc Normandin, I think.
by dgcambridge on Mar 17, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*an
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee: “I was just trying to locate my fastball today, and I thought I was doing that.”
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosie backed it up by saying Willis told them he was going to work exclusively on his fastball location. Apparently, Cliff also said that he has to face the Rangers in 20 days so he didn’t want to show them anything.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for poor sentence construction, I was transcribing.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, he hit his spots all right, the big trademarks stamped on every single bat that just so happened to be in the hands of the starting nine in opposing unis!!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that thing looks like its been compressed 50 times.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I SEE WHAT YOU DID HERE
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 18, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee: " I got a lot of work backing up the bases today."
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case you can’t tell, I’m not exactly a HUGE Cliff Lee fan…. oh well
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it the Cy Young or the improbable turnaround that you find so off-putting?
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s the anti-Chuck.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 18, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s the lack of acting skills.
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m still irked about the hat tip. The Cy Young looks nice on his mantle, but…. he just seems too stubborn….
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should forgive him for that and enjoy him while he’s still with the Tribe. That way, when he leaves, you can complain about how we didn’t overpay to keep him.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
REED THIS SPHARIO!!!
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aside from reflexively being pissed about a “hat tip” – what effort have you made to actually know anything about Lee?
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t read, dammit.
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don’t know, how do you know Lee? Lemme know
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm…by reading more than one article about him. I respect your right to have an opinion about him, but I also reserve the right to think your opinion is uninformed and therefore stupid
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, who taught you how to moderate?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, wow, why do some people have to be a jerk all the time, does it make you feel good to put other people down like that?
</i-am-hilarious>
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, YOU shut up!
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
live in the moment :)
love cliff while we can! hat tip is the past
by danab on Mar 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is the Cy Young…. shrug
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
feel the way you want. I’m happy for everything that has happened for cliff.
by danab on Mar 17, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get me wrong, I respect everything that he did last year. I was happy when he won the Cy, I think he deserved it, he had a GREAT year. One that is unlikely to be repeated!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Cliff steal your high school girl back in Arkansas or Louisiana or something?
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hat tip was good stuff. How can you get mad at that?
by fwembt on Mar 17, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this. Let the noobs beat eachother up.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 18, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the REAL indiansfan should file a trademark infringement suit.
Just my three cents.
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
legit lol.
Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.
by westbrook on Mar 18, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I respect your decision to call my opinion stupid, but I also have read WAY more than one article about Cliff.
I remember a game, IN THE PAST, against Texas, when he hit Sammy Sosa in the head and was acting so uncaring that he got into it with a well respected team leader in Victor!!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we should have some perspective and consider that maybe Cliff has learned a thing or two since then.
I think that 2007 season was extremely humbling for him, and he’s talked about how his failure in 2007 was something that actually did him a lot of good.
Besides, it was a hat-tip. What does that even mean? It was interpreted as being sarcastic, but who can say? Maybe he meant it as an apology. It’s not like he gave the fans the finger.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff, right now, could do any or all of the following: throw a complete spring training game of knuckleballs, pull a cigar out of a box that says “FROM CUBA” on it, smoke the cigar in the dugout while getting a massage from a rotating cast of Hooters waitresses of questionable nationality, fill up a terrarium with geckos and step on them in his bare feet (kind of like making cranberry juice, but with geckos), give a press conference in ebonics, strap a dead elk to the hood of his car, or disassemble every swingset in Goodyear.
He’s healthy, and beyond that I just don’t care.
by fleerdon on Mar 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Whoa!! Set those standards high!!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, elk and geckos aren’t on the endangered species list.
by fleerdon on Mar 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am alternating between laughing and being disturbed that you thought of some of these things.
by Voltaire on Mar 18, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was pretty cool when he drilled Sammy. The vice president of the Dominican Republic was there. It was Sammy Sosa Recognition Night, for Sosa’s htting 600 homers or something.
And Cliff say, no way, Sammy, not tonight. That was awesome.
by odradek on Mar 17, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam, I got you this. Use it as needed.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Alright, I give up. You guys want me to ‘live in the moment’ but y’all want me to remember the Cy and the great 2008 he had. Okay, I’ll remember ‘08, but… only if he doesn’t repeat ’07 in ’09!!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this one of those “intentional over-reaction stings?”….I love those!
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you’re joking, but I can’t even fathom a spring training Mountains of Change thread. We might actually crash the server with sarcasm.
by fleerdon on Mar 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am and that’s a helluva point. Plus, you don’t want to throw out your best stuff in ST, gotta ease into it, don’t want to pull an oblique.
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, ease into it, gotta do that, heaven forbid he throw anything but obviously hittable fastballs.
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I gotta believe you’re smart enough to understand that results in Spring Training are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS. Right? Tell me you get that.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that Cliff was intentionally doing so.
by Voltaire on Mar 18, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah, but wait!! Revelation!! Lee didn’t want to show the Rangers what he was going to throw shy of three weeks from now, oh!! Sigh I feel better now!!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a little bit of a mental game going on here? Maybe Lee wants them to get a bit overconfident before facing them when it counts
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t just that. Veteran pitchers who are not competing for a spot are literally not even out there trying to get batters out. They’re out there working on whatever they want to work on. So maybe it’s five straight fastballs to a specific spot, or to five specific spots. That’s working on command. If the batter hits the ball, it doesn’t matter — that just gives the defense some extra work.
Seriously. Cliff Lee is not out there trying to get outs, not at this point, and maybe not two weeks from now either.
Also — reply — it’s not optional.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, okay. But, what about three weeks from now? And BTW, how well did he really hit those spots? Maybe he should consider hitting different spots? Just wondering
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And while we’re on it, the defense could use some work. I mean, when GRADY makes an error? What happened there? High sun field or what? Seriously, I really do wanna know. (No sarcasm here)
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, the self-reply — advanced maneuver.
What happened: Grady made an error. That’s what happened.
Spring is a time for zen and overexuberance. Your negativity is pointless and a bummer — even to yourself. Think about it.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I’m coming across as negative…. I dunno, I guess I can’t help it, but I think we have a good chance this year. I know we are in a weak division as CWS and DET did little to improve their teams. I like the acquisitions of Wood, Smith and DeRosa, hopefully they’ll improve on our subpar ’pen from last year. Now, if the starters can give 5-6 good innings and we can get anything out of Pronk…. Go Tribe!!
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now pace yourself, don’t use up your good vibes all at once.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any idea how poor visibility on fly balls is in Goodyear? I’m surprised that we’re able to catch anything with the positioning of the sun.
by supermarioelia on Mar 19, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he hit them great. Pitching is about deception, trying to anticipate what the batter is anticipating. Meanwhile, the batter is not working on spots, he’s just trying to nail the ball. If a young stud figures out that you’re throwing everything low and inside, he’s going to swing there and hit it. In a real game, you wouldn’t know where the next pitch was coming.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to devolve quickly. I’m going to drink a black and tan. Happy St. Patrick’s Day everybody!
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Side note, never order a black and tan in an Irish pub run by actual Irish people. It’s like ordering an Irish Car Bomb in London.
by fleerdon on Mar 17, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a reason? Or just cause its Irish?
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
black and tans were the british soldiers, I believe
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed the drink has image problems in parts of Ireland and elsewhere due to the association with the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force which was sent into Ireland by British Secretary of State for War Winston Churchill during the Lloyd George premiership in the early 1920s and nicknamed the Black and Tans.
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’m glad I checked back in before making a jerk out of myself at the pub. Irish car bombs for everyone!
Lead singer and driver of the Winnebago.
by Fredward on Mar 17, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna know, what was so bad about the snakes?
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by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly it is back to the office for me…ugh.
by APV on Mar 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure he doesn’t really have an office.
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it started at 7pm on mlb network 0-0 bottom of first
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand, believe me. Otherwise, I might think that Sowers would be our ace, and we all know THAT isn’t happening. crosses fingers
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiosity, how did you find your way to LGT?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly enough, I found LGT through blogs and such that I read. I thought it was very informative and interesting.
"With God, ALL things are possible."
by indiansfan20062000 on Mar 17, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa just made a pretty diving catch in Left Field.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And as a follow up, the announcers suggest that the Indians use DeRosa as a super utility player. Al Leiter actually said “He’s so valuable, why not use him to give other people some days off.”
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Leiter is the smart one!
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his semi-defense, he was responding to Hugs, who originally suggested it.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about anybody else but I’m really pulling hard for the US in this game. Whoo!
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frontrunner.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ve got a good feeling about Brian McCann coming up
by SanD on Mar 17, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’m rooting for Korea. They are a better “story” than the USA team, which is a collection of bland sluggers and a few all-stars.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that is ledging about Lee, it’s pretty obvious he was working on locating his fastball. (Which was his #1 focus for this spring training, according to his 30/30 interview)
I didn’t hear the game, but it sounds like 90% of his pitches were the hard stuff.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a relative new guy here on LGT, I have tried not to be abrasive as I get a feel for everything here. Mr. Indiansfan200602000 seems to be doing the exact opposite and uses his first day on the blog to push some buttons.
by Les Fleurs Du Mal on Mar 17, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your attitude, but I try to be a little patient with new guys, too — set expectations, but don’t expect someone to figure everything out in one day.
As Indians fans, we’re all freaking out about stuff all the time. If you’ve never been on a forum with a bunch of sharp Indians fans, you’ve never had a group of people to talk you off the ledge about stuff. So you’ve been freaking out continuously, with no support, literally for years. As longtime posters here, we’ve grown accustomed to having a bunch of fellow travelers to help keep us sane. I think sometimes we forget what it’s like not to have had that before.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, great reads on this site today. Although I’m still trying to decide if you were all trolled right there. Normally I would find it hard to believe that someone could actually be a fan of modern pro sports if they were to judge every player’s personalities on such a tough scale (i.e. a sarcastic hat tip), but, well, never mind.
Even so, I think we may have been played. C’mon, Cliff Lee? All good fun.
by dgcambridge on Mar 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JETER IS A BUM ROLLINS WOULD HAVE MADE THAT PLAY I HATE THE YANKEES AND THEIR CAPTAIN
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
READ THIS DAVEY JONES JOHNSONS!!!
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by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puerto Rico not warming Fernando Cabrera, opting to stick with JC Romero.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile, Davy Johnson is officially dead in the dugout. He hung Lilly out to dry earlier, he’s doing the same to Broxton now and he’s managing the end of this game like he’s still at his step-son’s wedding.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here comes the quintessential Jeter DP.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded, 1 out and Yook up.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
K-brera … this is about to get ugly, methinks.
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgive my ignorance, but is this our former closer of the future?
by SanD on Mar 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You bet.
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh We’ve seen this before.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was there any chance Youk wasn’t going Net +1 on that? I think not.
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh hey guys… yeah I was honestly surprised cabrera was even still in the majors.
by mrich on Mar 17, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got great stuff. Just horrible location.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not the majors. That’s why J.C. Romero is allowed to play.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point, PR must not have many options in the pen.
by mrich on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have traded Cabrera for Youkilis when we had the chance.
by NickFantana on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or anybody.
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game over, USA.
Nice work, Cabrera. To think we agonized over DFA’ing you …
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that should be …
Game over, USA wins it.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game over. Lol
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOLY CRAP
THANK GOD IT WASN’T YOUK WITH THE GWRBI
by mrich on Mar 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Kevin Youkillis, the base ball player.
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by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, we hear it every week, but it’s always about song choice.
by dgcambridge on Mar 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have found it thrilling had it not been two great hitters against Fernando Cabrera.
I gather most folks don’t remember, Ferd actually drove a good nail into our season, giving up two runs in the 13th in the third-to-last game of the season. Going into that inning, he’d given up 1 ER in his previous 23 IP.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but it was his third inning of work that night, and Wedge refused to use Riske in that game, who was available
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Mar 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true.
I just remember his being on the mound as our season died.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got biblically drunk that night
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Mar 18, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
matt v’s puberty call killed it for me.
by Brick. on Mar 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choo back in the lineup at DH. Are they just being sweet to us at this point, or do they have better defenders in the outfield? I thought the doctors gave him a complete green light.
by still ill on Mar 17, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Green light to play, yes, but Shapiro hinted he was still interested in a DH situation.
It’s a pretty good bet that the difference in defensive value between Choo and some other outfielder on their club is not that great. It’s not just in our best interest to be cautious with Choo, it’s also in theirs.
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. I must have missed the hint.
Get ’em, Choo!
by still ill on Mar 17, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I wondered if they might rather use the guy who looks like a lumbering, sleepy bear at DH.
by still ill on Mar 17, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choo might have a chance to do something big here … no outs yet, men on 1B-2B, no outs, Choo on deck.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bases loaded, nobody out for Choo … 0-2 count now …
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by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chased the high heat, struck out. Huge choke, just a terrible AB. The guy can’t find the zone for the first four batters, and Choo strikes out on three pitches.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 17, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was very disappointed. His best pitch to hit was the first one and he looked.
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
by Toxicadam on Mar 17, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m watching this and the thought occurred to me that I have no idea if there is a sabermetric community in Korea and Japan. I assume there is. But I never see any work done by Japanese or Korean fans/sabermetricians. Strange.
Choo’s up.
by APV on Mar 18, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another bad AB…I want to get Choo back in camp
by APV on Mar 18, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true, I recently read an engrossing Japanese sabermetric study about the predictive value of traffic vibration rate
by fleerdon on Mar 18, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
upon further reflection, it may have been a piece of erotic fiction
by fleerdon on Mar 18, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
67% confident, which I believe translates to a Net of, what, like +10, +12, right?
by fleerdon on Mar 18, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m 100% confident that ESPN is unwatchable these days. Hoping to catch some Cavs highlights and Sportscenter is completely lifeless – it might as well be headline news.
by APV on Mar 18, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately I think the idea is to make the news bad enough that they switch to wall-to-wall Around the Horn. Sweaty guys in bad shirts shouting at each other 24/7.
by fleerdon on Mar 18, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when all the newspapers are gone those guys will need to work somewhere
by APV on Mar 18, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, the moderator just awarded you a couple of points for that one. Aight, I’m out.
by fleerdon on Mar 18, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure I can do that job.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 18, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t even get their sabermetricians started on sex and robots.
Signature to be named later.
by emd2k3 on Mar 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A week from now I’ll have my first spring training game at Goodyear under my belt. Joy.
by APV on Mar 18, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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