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The White Sox won the Central Division last year by beating the Twins in a one game playoff. They finished the season with a record of 89-74, which was also their pythag record. However, the Sox, moreso than any other team in the division, lost some talent in the offseason. Not returning from last season: Javier Vazquez, Orlando Cabrera, Joe Crede, and Nick Swisher.
Let’s start out by looking at their positional players:
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Position |
Age |
’08 Triple Slash |
OPS+ (‘06-08) |
Plus/Minus (’06-08) |
Comment |
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C-A.J. Pierzynski |
32 |
.281/.312/.416 |
94, 83, 88 |
N/A |
Pierzynski is a big guy and he has a ton of mileage on his knees but he has been remarkably healthy throughout his career. |
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1b-Paul Konerko |
33 |
.240/.344/.438
|
134, 116, 102 |
-5, -3, -2 |
He is owed 24 million over the next two years and he can veto trades due to his 10 and 5 status. |
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2b-Chris Getz |
25 |
.302/.366/.448 (AAA numbers) |
N/A |
N/A |
The second base job is wide open, though it appears Getz is the favorite. He is a marginal prospect. Brent Lillibridge and Jayson Nix are also in the mix. |
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3b-Josh Fields |
26 |
.246/.341/.431 (AAA numbers) |
N/A, 101, N/A |
N/A, -19, N/A |
Third is another unsettled position with Wilson Betemit as their other option. |
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SS-Alexei Ramirez |
27 |
.290/.317/.475 |
N/A, N/A, 103 |
N/A, N/A, -8 (Numbers are at 2b.) |
Plus/Minus thought Alexei was a bad defender at second, but the Sox seem to disagree as they are moving him to short, an even tougher defensive position. |
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Lf-Carlos Quentin |
26 |
.288/.394/.571 |
115, 63, 148 (Only 191 and 263 PA in ’06 and ’07, respectively.) |
-3, +3, -10 (’06 and ’07 are small samples and were in right.) |
So, getting hit by a pitch is sort of a skill, right? It seems that for some guys, it is very repeatable. Quentin had 20 last year and often had high totals in the minors. |
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Cf-Jerry Owens |
28 |
.276/.346/.316 (AAA numbers) |
N/A, 67, N/A |
N/A, +11, N/A |
Yet another unsettled position. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I think they’ll go with Owens, the speedster over Brian Anderson or Dewayne Wise. |
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Rf-Jermaine Dye |
35 |
.292/.344/.541 |
151, 105, 126 |
-14, -41, -17 |
Those defensive numbers are awful and I have to think the offense is going to slip a little this year. |
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DH-Jim Thome |
38 |
.245/.362/.503 |
155, 150, 123 |
N/A |
Boo. |
|
UT-Wilson Betemit |
27 |
.265/.289/.429 (Only 198 PA) |
101, 101, 86 |
He plays all over the infield, but doesn’t rate well anywhere. |
In 1,225 career PA, he has put up an OPS+ of 95 despite never getting consistent playing time. That will probably change this year as Fields isn’t good. |
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OF-Dewayne Wise |
31 |
.248/.293/.450 (Only 143 PA) |
N/A, N/A, 90 |
N/A |
He’s 31 and has never gotten more than 150 PA at the big league level. |
There is so much that can go wrong with this offense due to the potential declines of Thome, Konerko, Dye, and Pierzynski and the uncertainty at third, second, and center. The other two players, Ramirez and Quentin, had seasons last year that kind of came out of nowhere, so regression could be expected there as well. Another concern here is depth as they do not have adequate replacements at C, 1B, DH, LF, and RF. According to BPro’s two team metrics, the White Sox were a little better than average on the basepaths and a little below average in the field last year. The farm system isn’t likely to help the offense this year as most of their position player prospects probably won’t be ready till next season.
The starters: GB+ = 100 * GB% (player) / GB% (average). K+ = 100 * K% (player) / K% (average). BB+ = 100 * BB% (average) / BB% (player). Jay gets the credit for this idea. The average I am using was computed by Rich Lederer and it only includes pitchers that threw at least 100 innings and started in at least 33% of their appearances. Rich has done a series of excellent articles on pitchers over at BaseballAnalysts.com. One thing to keep in mind is that these categories aren’t created equally. It is better to be above average in K+ than to be above average in BB+, and better to be above average in BB+ than to be above average in GB+.
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Pitcher |
Age |
ERA+ (’06-08) |
IP (’06-08) |
GB+ (’08) |
K+ (’08) |
BB+ (’08) |
Comment |
|
Mark Buehrle |
30 |
95, 131, 121 |
204, 201, 218 |
114 |
91 |
138 |
Buehrle is a rock. He has thrown 200 innings for 8 straight seasons, and in 6 of them, his ERA+ was at least 20% better than average. |
|
John Danks |
24 |
N/A, 86, 138 |
0, 139, 195 |
99 |
117 |
111 |
Danks made substantial improvements in all three categories last season. |
|
Gavin Floyd |
26 |
64, 90, 119 |
54, 70, 206 |
95 |
117 |
111 |
Floyd’s peripherals are much better than I thought they were. |
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Jose Contreras |
37 |
111, 85, 101 |
196, 189, 121 |
117 |
79 |
118 |
Contreras is recovering from a ruptured Achilles tendon, though he is supposed to be ready near opening day. |
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Clayton Richard |
25 |
N/A, N/A, 76 |
0, 0, 47 |
114 |
80 |
131 |
Richard doesn’t impress scouts or PECOTA. |
The success of the Sox rotation depends on health of the first four. There is no margin for error as they really only have four acceptable starters. I don’t believe in Richard at all, I don’t think they can get many innings out of Colon, and Poreda is a nice pitching prospect, but he has only spent a half season at AA and he’s hardly an elite prospect. The other options, Jack Egbert and Lance Broadway, are not attractive.
The Sox have a decent pen, though it is probably not as good as they are paying. I’m not sure how much depth they have past Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, and Linebrink. Also of note, Jenks’ K% has gone down in four straight seasons, which should be of some concern.
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i’m willing to bet he’s the most hated man in baseball.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
He’s only 20 so he’d have to be some kind of talent to be ready for the bigs this year and from what I’ve read, he’s not that kind of talent.
In the Chicago papers—at least the Sun-Times—it says the Sox expect Viciedo to continue in the tradition of Contreras and Ramirez. Ramirez was considered such a success last year the team is convinced it can do it again this year with Cuban players. Much as the Royals think Juan Cruz will continue their good fortune struck with Soria and Ramirez. Or much as Indians fans expect to win a third straight Cy Young.
Helluva second baseman they have over there: whatever you need, Chris Getz.
Carmona for Cy Young 2009
by danvail on Mar 3, 2009 8:27 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I’m still trying to figure out Alexei Ramirez. How does a guy his size … hit 21 homers? How does a guy look so bad and end up being so good in the course of a few months?
I hate the Chisox, but he is fascinating to watch.
Since Ramirez is moving to SS, does that mean Beckham will be moved to 2b? Probably a year away, but surely they are considering his placement.
I feel like that guy’s basically Juan Uribe redux, where he’ll hit 20 HRs out of nowhere, but negates the power by not walking, ever — the guy had 15 non-intentional walks in 480 at-bats last year. The 103 OPS+ is good for a 2B, but I wonder if he’s the type of guy pitchers are just going to start to throw junk at when they realize he’ll swing at everything.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
So is the consensus that Minnesota looks like our best competition, with the other three a notch or two below (KC – younger, DET + CHW – older)?
That seems to be the feeling around here, but PECOTA sees the Tigers as equal to the Twins, and CHONE thinks the Tigers are better. What are those systems seeing that we’re not?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 3, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think the baseline talent of the Tigers team is probably better than the other teams. But that baseline talent is either old and getting older (position players) or is a gimpy elbow/shoulder away from the DL (pitching staff). PECOTA should be accounting for the former and might be to some degree for the latter…but I don’t think is probably giving either enough weight. I really have a hard time picturing this team doing anything good.
by APV on Mar 3, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
It may partly come from how terrible the bullpen was last year, which affects our perception of their talent baseline. Even with minimal upgrades, by pure luck alone, it shouldn’t be that terrible this year — or at least PECOTA assumes neutral luck.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 3, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
It’s hard to evaluate the CHONE projections, because I don’t see how they are assigning playing time. If you look at the individual player projections, the positions are outdated (Guillen at 3b, Inge at C, DeRosa at 2b). If you don’t account for the Tigers new defensive-minded shift, the lineup looks even better on paper.

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