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Around SBN: NFL Roundtable: Which Draft Pick Is Most Likely To Bust?

The other day, I told you Rafael Betancourt was introduced by the Goodyear Ballpark PA guy as "John Betancourt." Today, Tomo Ohka was "Mister Ohka." This guy... is struggling.

Castro with a note too funny to not pass along. Feel bad linking to his wrap-ups nearly daily but they're just excellent. Everybody should be reading them.

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I thought the oddest note was about Grady
(Surely Grady’s ladies won’t stand for this.)

hasn’t done any running or any activity with his lower half .

by DuffBeer on Mar 3, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

I could give a damn about the PA guy struggling.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 3, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t understand.

by NickFantana on Mar 3, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQqIQyT-RuM

About the :50 mark. I got the quote partially wrong.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 3, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

for today’s game:

INDIANS: RF Trevor Crowe, CF Jamey Carroll, SS Jhonny Peralta, LF Ryan Garko, C Kelly Shoppach, 3B Tony Graffanino, 1B Stephen Head, 2B Luis Valbuena, DH Jordan Brown. RHP Anthony Reyes.

Also available to pitch: LHP Tony Sipp, LHP Rich Rundles, LHP Ryan Edell, RHP Kirk Saarloos, RHP Jack Cassel, RHP Ed Mujica, RHP Vinnie Chulk.

by Brick. on Mar 3, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

I’m confused by your use of bold.

by dgcambridge on Mar 3, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I assume it’s just guys he’s interested to see.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 3, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m interested to see if that outfield actually functions. I’m sure they’re training Crowe for a utility-OF role, but I’m still entitled to laugh at this arrangement.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Mar 3, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And did Jhonny draw the short straw or what?

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Mar 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. Then I approve. I thought it had to do with the post.

This certainly looks like a B group of pitchers. Not pretty. Maybe they can work out their roommate situations for Columbus.

And what to think of Stephen Head? He’s just a guy right? I mean, what are the odds that he could get 30 plate appearances for the Indians this year? Lastoria was wondering if Marte would get cut before Head this spring. I don’t see it.

by dgcambridge on Mar 3, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i don’t see it either. i’m in your camp with regards to just send one of these guys down to akron if you can’t find the playing time for all of them in columbus. someone, somewhere is going to get hurt too. any guy you can stash in the minors that has any history of any potential, i say keep them while you can. there’s a world of difference between finding space for marte on the 25-man and finding space for him, aubrey, head and all our catchers between 2 minor league levels.

by Brick. on Mar 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hello dgcambridge,

I wouldn’t be that quick to write off Head; Head’s stock would seem to be on the rise (in relative terms for a 25-YO player) after both his 2007 and 2008 seasons have him moving in the right direction offensively. Additionally, according to Lastoria, Head is considered an above-average defender at both 1B (the best in the system, according to Lastoria) and RF.

I think that versatility, along with his putting up better numbers over the last two seasons, has put him on the radar screen, not in terms of being a cornerstone, but in terms of being a solid complementary player.

For one thing, Head is ahead of Mills and Weglarz (provided he’d play at 1B, which is unlikely at this point, but still a possibility at some point, being that was his position in HS) in the pecking order, being that Head will likely be at AAA Columbus to begin 2009.

For another thing, what the Indians are trying to do with Ryan Garko, Head has already been doing for around a season or so now – play 1B and the OF (and being that Head projects to be above-average in RF, he very likely would be above-average in LF as well), so I think Head could become a better version of Ryan Garko in terms of versatility, being that Head would provide better defense than Garko at both positions.

The key for Head this season is to continue to show improvement at AAA Columbus; of course, a breakout season (say 25-30 HRs) in terms of power would be helpful to him, but even if he only puts up around 15-20 HRs and around a .300 BA or so, that might be valuable enough to have the Indians consider him as being part of their future plans.

At the very least, it could give the Indians more options to trade either Head or Garko (provided he rebounds from his inconsistent 2008) at the trading deadline or in the 2009 offseason.

Another thing to consider in regards to Head – the depth he can provide at several positions on the field (1B, RF, LF, DH) could prove quite useful in case there are problems or delays with guys like Hafner, LaPorta, Francisco, Brantley, Choo, Garko, etc. Therefore, I think at this point he profiles more than “just a guy” – he was “just a guy” 1-2 years ago, but I think now, he has cracked the door open enough where, if he can put up another solid year or better, I think he’ll be more of a factor in the Indians’ plans than you are implying; I don’t think Head getting 30 ABs at the ML level this season is out of the question. That is probably why Castrovince thinks Marte could get cut before Head this spring (and Castrovince might have been referring to being removed from the ML roster, not being cut entirely from the organization). And, as mentioned, Head is moving in the right direction (improving), unlike Marte (struggling over that same time period), who is also 1.5 (or maybe 2.5, as I thought his birthday was in October, not November, as TheBaseballCube lists it) months OLDER than Head.

In terms of keeping both of them in the organization, I can agree with your logic about keeping them both around, but I think Head might be considered the more “valuable” player at this point, due to the reasons I mentioned above. At this point, Marte is more of “just a guy” than Head is, due to their recent history and versatility.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Mar 3, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If Head wants to be a corner player in the majors, he should probably think about posting an OPS over .800 in the minors first.

by ClarkM on Mar 3, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hello ClarkM,

That’s a good point, though Head only fell short the last two seasons by 11 and 20 points respectively, not a major gap by any means. Besides that, Dellucci posted .800+ OPS a few seasons in the minors, yet I’m not sure anyone wants to see him out there now. :-)

My main point was that many have questions about Garko’s bat, plus question his ability to be an OFer. Most are not that fond of him at 1B either. Head, in my opinion, has an opening where, if he can perform well enough at AAA Columbus this season (even a +.800 OPS), I think he can force the issue between whether the Indians want Garko as that complementary player between 1B/OF/DH or Head over the next 2-3 seasons. Head has the advantage in terms of defense; while Garko did have that very solid 2005 season, he’s been questionable and sporadic with the bat since.

It’s up to Head to prove that the upticks in his OPS and overall offensive skills are signs of a trend toward more of the player we thought we were drafting in 2005, rather than what we had seen in 2005 and 2006. The Indians seem to like versatility and being able to mix-and-match; Head provides some intriguing versatility between 1B and the OF, and plays those positions well, which is why I think he has a better chance of factoring into the Indians’ future than some are thinking, provided he can continue to improve in 2009 as he did in 2007 and 2008. Additionally, Head will cost less than Garko in the coming seasons – another reason why I think Head could potentially replace Garko in that same role in the coming seasons. That’s why I think he’s more than “just a guy” and should be one to keep an eye on during the 2009 season.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on Mar 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Head, in my opinion, has an opening where, if he can perform well enough at AAA Columbus this season (even a +.800 OPS), I think he can force the issue between whether the Indians want Garko as that complementary player between 1B/OF/DH or Head over the next 2-3 seasons.

I’m sorry, but Head just does not meet any definition of “prospect” that means anything. He has shown vastly less with his bat than Garko — who didn’t just have a nice 2005 but a nice 2007 in the majors as well.

Adam, can I get a Progress Score on Head? Does he even have one?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I read this after I responded in the NRI – didn’t know Head was being discussed somewhere else.

by Ryan on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

in the NRI thread

by Ryan on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

About 1.6, and that’s being generous with his defensive valuation. In other words, not quite as much of a prospect as Jason Cooper.

by APV on Mar 5, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone outside of Tony Lastoria confirmed that he is a good defender in right? What Tony says means nothing to me.

by ClarkM on Mar 5, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

in his time there over the past two seasons minor league splits has him scoring out in the 0 range…not great, but it suggests he isn’t condemned to only playing 1B

by APV on Mar 5, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It also suggests that what he’s going to “blossom” into is Blake 2.0 … hack defense and middling offense, a little below-average at each. Mind you, this is comparing Hodges in his 20’s to Blake in his 30’s.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 5, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d put the chances of him blossoming into Blake at somewhere less than 25. Of course I’d have put Blake’s chances of blossoming into Blake at less than 25, too, so what do I know?

by APV on Mar 5, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course Blake didn’t get much of a chance to show his stuff in his 20’s despite never having a bad season in the minors. Kind of funny, Tony Bautista was chosen over him on two seperate occasions by two different clubs. In 2000, in Toronto and by Baltimore for the ’02 season.

by ClarkM on Mar 5, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

.245/.348/.468 as a 25-year old at AAA isn’t exactly blowing it out of the water. And his first full pro season was an uninspiring .238/.312/.332 as a 23-year old at A+…that probably set his expectations for quite awhile.

by APV on Mar 5, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you’re saying is, there’s hope for Stephen Head.

by odradek on Mar 5, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s one way of looking at it. The reality is that Casey Blake has led a pretty improbable career.

by APV on Mar 5, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll see if Hodges does much better at almost-25 this year in Columbus. The other point I was making, though, is that at Hodges’ age, Blake was a pretty good third baseman defensively.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 5, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw him play right once in Akron last year. He looked awful. Really bad.

This is of course one game’s worth of amateur observation.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Mar 5, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

from today:

Finally, a very happy birthday to inimitable Plain Dealer scribe Paul Hoynes.

tabs, i think you have a happy birthday email to write.

by Brick. on Mar 3, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Inimitable? Hardly.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 3, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

to be fair, he didn’t say “imparodible”…

by Logodaedalus on Mar 3, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but I daresay I could imitate him decently as well.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 3, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see you being as humble as Hoynsie.

by mauichuck on Mar 3, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And you know, I have never tried to parody him.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 3, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

True. Nor imitate him.

by Logodaedalus on Mar 4, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I love CastroTurf (and it’s great to read about Omar), but is he really using “throw under the bus” properly? I don’t think it means “make fun of.” Isn’t it more “blame someone publicly when something goes wrong”?

by JulioBernazard on Mar 4, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think it’s an okay usage if not a great one.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 4, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a phrase bordering on dangerous overuse (leading to misuse), similar to “perfect storm” before it.

by JulioBernazard on Mar 4, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

At the end of the day I’m going to throw someone under the bus. It will be quite the paradigm shift, or sea change if you prefer.

What’s funny is where ‘throw under the bus’ must have come from. How often has that happened? I mean, for real?

Signature to be named later.

by emd2k3 on Mar 4, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Here, let me look that up for you in Wikipedia.

by mauichuck on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That was popular long before 2004.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Mar 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Thus the reason Wikipedia cites the earliest known print use as 1991.

by FredOx on Mar 5, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m still trying to figure out how one guy plies his trade at another guy’s knee.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Mar 5, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

You know, you just don’t want to say it.

by Brad D on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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