Sheffield released by Tigers
by stuart dean on Mar 31, 2009 10:23 AM EDT
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DETROIT -- The Detroit Tigers have released nine-time All-Star Gary Sheffield, who is one home run away from 500 for his career.
Detroit parted ways with the designated hitter Tuesday after a disappointing stay with the Tigers. The team was hopeful the 40-year-old Sheffield would be a powerful presence at the plate in the final season of the $28 million, two-year contract extension it gave him after acquiring him from the New York Yankees for prospects.
But he failed to deliver in large part because he often was injured.
The move comes a day after the Tigers acquired outfielder Josh Anderson from Atlanta, forcing the team to make some tough decisions about its roster a week ahead of opening the season in Toronto.
Sheffield hit .178 in 18 games this spring.
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Stuart Dean
by stuart dean on Mar 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Question on the verbiage of transactions.
Over on espn.com, they show that the Tigers optioned the contract of Clete Thomas to their AAA team. How is this different than if it just read “the Tigers optioned Clete Thomas to AAA Toledo”?
There are no players. Only contracts.
by dgcambridge on Mar 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, that’s already been mentioned. the question was why the difference in verbiage.
for the record, this was probably a better place to mention there are only contracts. again.
The possibility that Sheffield could end his career 1 home run shy of 500 is delicious. I don’t really feel sorry for such a red-ass.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Mar 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
That trade between the Tigers and Yankees has turned into nada for both sides.
Sheffield ended up OPS+ about 105 for the 2 seasons at $24M, with another $14M for this year.
The Yankees have yet to get anything from the three guys in the deal. Humberto Sanchez got hurt that first spring training and has appeared in a total of 14 games for the organization. Anthony Claggett is a 23 year old reliever in AA, (last year) with an ok K rate, but a poor BB/K rate. And Kevin Whelan is a 24 year old reliever in AA (last year) with poor control.
So who’s going to pick up Sheffield for the minimum after he clears waivers?
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
He doesn’t want to DH. He could platoon at 1b for a lot of teams.
by dgcambridge on Mar 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland – between Giambi, Barton, Cust … I don’t see many free at bats.
Seattle – as a RH complement to Griffey, perhaps …
Toronto – only carrying four OF, with Lind as DH, I could see this one.
Baltimore – I thin kthey have options problems on some fo their backups, but he may not be better than Luke Scott right now, so less probable here too.
I think the Blue Jays are the best fit of what you’ve suggested.
Seems like Washington could use an OF/1B type.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Mar 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Mar 31, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I find Sheffield hilarious. His comment on his “Beyond the Glory” segment that he didn’t do drugs because his drug of choice was “women” was comic gold. Also, who can forget his statement that steroids is something “you put in your butt.”
by piersall on Mar 31, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
After 2006, I thought we’d be battling the Tigers for years to come for the division title. It shows you how fast things can go south,
Ben Francisco's only fan on LGT
Bad move. How are they gonna score 1000 runs without Shef?
by still ill on Mar 31, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Meaning, you like your old-school stats like Runs Created and VORP, can’t really hang with all these new stats like “FIP” and “Value Wins” that are killing our ability to enjoy the game.
Right?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Absolutely, whatever you say, Jay.
BTW, what’s VORP?
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
Oh, and the first 3 hits in a Google search for “FIP” are for “Feline infectious peritonitis”
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
Whether or not a sleepy kitten has FIP is a strong predictor of his pitching success…
by Logodaedalus on Mar 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Outside of Jay and a few others, I can’t say that it has really caught on here on the level of other rate stats (such as those measuring walks and strikeouts). I’m still not confident in using it, since for me FIP values lack context. Can you, Andrew, give me an example of why you love it and what it has shown you?
Because it measures the three things that a pitcher has, more or less, full control over.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 2, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not after the rote depiction of it. Not what it is—I can find that easily on the internet—but why it works, and how well.
I can’t answer that question.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 2, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
FIP is scaled to ERA, so that’s the context.
I believe that FIP underrates extreme groundball pitchers significantly, but it’s useful as a quick way to assess luck-neutral ERA.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 2, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than PRC? I really like the RC ease of use, though I can’t speak intelligently about its vigor.
by fleerdon on Apr 2, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
One’s rate, the other is a counting stat. It’s not either/or.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 2, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Per start, maybe.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 2, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In what way does it underrate extreme ground ball pitchers?
Are you saying that happens when the FIP is used as a comparison to ERA because they may up hits (that don’t always turn into runs that go into ERA) instead of K’s which lower FIP?
If that’s the problem, I can see that the ratio of ERA:FIP of a ground ball pitcher may be different than a strikeout pitcher, but as a way to compare pitchers based on FIP alone, it seems like a good tool.
"It's hard to win when you don't score." Cliff Lee, 9/28/05.
My limited understanding of FIP is that it only calcuates hr given up, strikeouts, walks, and hbp. Extreme groundball pitchers virtues show up in the hr allowed, but not in any other way.
FIP assumes that all balls in play are equal, but we know that is not true. Groundballs, while more likely to turn into hits, are less likely to become extra-base hits and there is also the double-play factor.
That’s basically it. FIP is fielding independent, of course, but for the top groundball pitchers, there really is no point to seeing what their FIP is.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 3, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Neyer takes Dombrowski to task for the eating this contract (which he gave to Sheffield) and all the millions owed to Willis, Odonez, Guillen, Robertson, etc.
To me the Willis contract was the most puzzling of all.
by supermarioelia on Mar 31, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it seemed to be intended to rationalize the trade. A bit like the Lawton deal, but much, much dumber.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Man, talk about a trade that didn’t really work out for anyone involved. I’d almost put that out of my mind. I think Alex Escobar was still bouncing around in the minors last year.
DISCLAIMER: I may be bitter.
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