Game Thread 3: April 19, 2009
by Ryan on Apr 19, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
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PrintBottom of the seventh, Indians 3-2 (home run under review)
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE…
by sorrento to cooperstown on Apr 19, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
Can we do a protest?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Like habeas?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK!!!
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
HOW DID THEY CALL IT A HOME RUN?
by sorrento to cooperstown on Apr 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t get it at all. It wasn’t a home run. He brought the ball back in the park.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
I could understanding calling it a double, but a home run? WTF?
by Ryan on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
An aside: Pavano deserved the win here. And our bullpen should be ashamed.
by sorrento to cooperstown on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m more likely to get tossed from my apartment then Wedge is from this game.
by mjschaefer on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Why have replay if you’re not going to overturn a call like that?
by millionairesrow on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
OK, we’re gonna come back and win this game. It’s karma.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
The ball never left the park. That makes no sense.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
What the hell is the point of instant replay. Even if there was no fan interference, the ball came back into the field. WTF.
by jakesinger777 on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t get how they could view that replay and make this decision. The umpiring team in this series has been abysmal.
La Presidenta del Club de Amantes de Rafael Betancourt.
by salome on Apr 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a fan interference call in NY might ignite a riot.
There is a significant lack of beards in this year's clubhouse...
The ball didn’t go over the fence, the fan touched his glove….and they got two runs out of that? Huh?
THEY GAVE THE MOST YANKEE-BIASED UMPS THIS SERIES THAT THEY COULD
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
This is fucking ridiculous. I hope we’re playing this game under protest.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions
What are the ground rules for landing on top of the wall like that?
Regardless, our bullpen outside of Wood and Masa! are not good right now.
Let alone the player. On top of that, the ball never left the park.
by jakesinger777 on Apr 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize that, the umps blew the interference but I was not sure if its a homerun in this stadium if the ball hits the top of that fence.
It has to go over the fence for it to be a home run.
by Ryan on Apr 19, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ball hit deep to right field, Crowe leapt to catch it, looked like he got leather on it, but had two fans reaching out into the field of play near him. One fan’s glove hit Crowe’s glove. Umps call this a home run. Crowe and Sizemore call fan interference. IT goes to replay. Umps say, no, still a home run.
The fact that umpires cannot be second guessed makes me sick. They can’t even view a replay correctly.
La Presidenta del Club de Amantes de Rafael Betancourt.
by salome on Apr 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think instant replay isn’t going to do much. Have any calls been overturned? It seems like umps don’t want to admit they may have been wrong ever in their lives.
Stil only a one run deficit
Stil only a one run deficit
Stil only a one run deficit
Stil only a one run deficit
Stil only a one run deficit
Stil only a one run deficit
Stil only a one run deficit
Hey everyone: Let’s blame the bullpen, not the umps. That ball almost certainly ends up a home run in an empty stadium.
That said, Brian Bruney is pitching the 8th. Let’s get him.
Can’t we blame the umps AND the pen?
by millionairesrow on Apr 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the fans didn’t reach out over the top of the wall, right? Crowe reached over the top of the wall. At least it was crazy close. And of course if it’s close we’re getting fucked, so I’d prefer Jensen doesn’t put us in that position.
From the angles I saw, it looked like the fans hands were over the wall into the playing field. The real issue is the clear and convincing evidence standard.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
From the replays I saw, the fans touched the ball in play. That’s fan interference, and probably a judgment call as to whether it’s a double or an out.
Don’t the rules stipulate the fan interference is an automatic out?
by world dictator on Apr 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
What the F is this?? Watch the replay again tabs, the fan was reaching over the wall, Crowe was still going straight up. Watch it again. That ball is caught in an empty stadium.
And yeah, now the Yanks are opening up on us, and the baseball gods have robbed us of our righteous anger, predictably.
I mean, the ball hits Crowe’s glove, even though the fans glove is up against his, and the other guys bare hand. Look at them lean.
He’s given in, dg. See below.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah our bullpen really really sucks. At least our starting pitching has had the guts to turn it around. The chumps in the backend (outside of Wood and ?Masa?) continue to blow.
by supermarioelia on Apr 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
why bother having replay at all if that is the result? replay can be used to see if the ball went over the fence (it didn’t) or if a fan touched it (one did). shapiro needs to be on the phone lodging a protest right now, if for no other reason than to determine what the purpose or result of a replay scheme is gonna be. it cannot just be a way to protect the yankees.
Michael Kay arguing that the NFL rules apply in that inconclusive evidence forces you to go with the initial call.
Let’s say the ball hits to the of that wall and bounces back in, striking neither fan nor player glove. There’s no “yellow line” here — a ball can’t be a HR unless it falls strictly into the seats here, agree?
“the ball was going over hte fence
he had no play
jeffrey mayor lives on”
AIM convo with a yankess fan [former] friend.
If this would have happened TO the Yankees, it’d be something they’d be whining about all season…
by sorrento to cooperstown on Apr 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
they’re still blaming fucking gnats, for petes sake
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on Apr 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A damn popup that a fan interfered on better not be the reason we lose this game.
by sorrento to cooperstown on Apr 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone: Crowe would have gotten a glove on that ball. But I don’t think the fan reached into the field of play. We need to move on.
Yeah, I think it’s pretty clear they did, Tabs.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, only CU Adam is over-stating. That shadow is definitely there, but small and it doesn’t stay there the entire incident. However, in my mind it’s good enough — that shadown does not belong to Crowe, and therefore it’s a fan’s shadow. And that should have been plenty for the umps.
It’s not even the shadow that has me convinced (not sure if you can really tell from that). They’ve showed more of a side view angle a couple of times that shows both fans clearly reaching over into the playing field.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that they interfered, but their shadows aren’t on that wall. Only Crowe’s.
by supermarioelia on Apr 19, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m doing the super slo mo PVR and I’m not seeing it.
by supermarioelia on Apr 19, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you not seeing it? I see it every time? It’s a big shadow at the top of the wall as Crowe makes his jump, and Crowe’s shadow is lower on the wall.
Il faut d'abord durer.
According to Michael Kay, you’re going to have to show me a picture giving me evidence to the contrary before I reverse my decision.
by supermarioelia on Apr 19, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, it’s not “big.” You could make an argument that the shadow belongs to another fan. But I think that tiny sliver of shadown should have been evidence enough.
there wouldn’t be a shadow of another fan not reaching over the stands, in the field of play
by world dictator on Apr 19, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The shadow is very very apparent to me. That was the first thing I saw when I looked at the replay. I believe the shadow is from the fan fourth Yankee outfielder’s hat.
by world dictator on Apr 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hang in there. This is a rough one.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Does it bother anyone else that so much of the run scoring that takes place in the new joint comes on the home run ball?
It’ll be the reason the Yankees don’t make the playoffs
by sorrento to cooperstown on Apr 19, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bright side: at least our uniforms are spelled correctly:
by AngG on Apr 19, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
as if the Nats need more problems.
Btw, Dukes had been fined and benched. Not because he killed his wife, strangled an umpire or raped a police officer … no he was 5 minutes late for a team meeting because he helped out in a little league.
Well, now we’re poised to hand Rivera his First Blown Save Ever in New Yankee Stadium…
by Logodaedalus on Apr 19, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Angels fan here..
Just tuned in and saw the “homerun” by Posada. Total BS. A couple of weeks ago we had Josh Beckett through a ball at Bobby Abreau’s head long after time was called. According to the ump (Joe West) the Angels were the aggressors.
I hope you guys stick it to the overpriced rent-a-champs. Good luck.
God needed a starter. RIP #34
by 3rd Echelon on Apr 19, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ooooooooo. rent-a-champs. nice.
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
The Yankees should create their own fictional Yankee championship, kinda like the Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase used to have, that would fit them well
by millionairesrow on Apr 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
and now beckett’s suspension has been reduced to 5 games and he won’t miss his regular turn in the rotation
Nothing appealing about him.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carey: “If the Indians didn’t have bad luck, they wouldn’t have any luck at all.” Great use of an old blues lyric.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
Can we bring Sandy Alomar, Jr. back to hit in the 9th?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Well, fwiw, I’m now fully on board the “we got robbed” bandwagon. CU Adam makes the most important point, which is that there was a fan’s shadow on the top of the outfield wall. And when you have video replay, it’s to look for stuff like that.
/apology and rant over
Back to winning. C’mon, Raffy R.
Well where is the imaginary line that determines interferece? Is it a vertical line or a horizontal one?
by supermarioelia on Apr 19, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If you can Crowe’s shadow on the wall (you can) and you can see the fan’s, then he’s over the wall. I’m no astronomer, but I don’t think a fan can cast a shadow on a wall without being over it.
Il faut d'abord durer.
In the last odd-numbered year that Rivera pitched in, his first blown save was in his 5th outing. Today my friends will be his 5th outing of 2009.
/stretch
I don’t believe that there is an scientific evidence to back this claim
by Chief WaDrew on Apr 19, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If Betancourt doesn’t get Ransom out here, I’m changing my signature.
La Presidenta del Club de Amantes de Rafael Betancourt.
Jeeez
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
Fucking hell
One day I'll get over to watch the Tribe play
by new zealand tribe fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
So Choo now has vision problems? I know this is the third time I can remember in the past week that he’s lost the ball in the air.
La Presidenta del Club de Amantes de Rafael Betancourt.
You know the worst thing about this? It now makes the bogus home run call harmless error.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
No, I think he pretty clearly lost it in the sun and had no idea where it was.
Anyone think Choo looks much better in RF than left?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he still could have reached it even if it were a foul ball
There is a significant lack of beards in this year's clubhouse...
by mixmasterasia on Apr 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
rec for accurate prediction
There is a significant lack of beards in this year's clubhouse...
by mixmasterasia on Apr 19, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kerry Wood is all “f-ing a, people”
La Presidenta del Club de Amantes de Rafael Betancourt.
by salome on Apr 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“DO I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AROUND HERE?”
by AngG on Apr 19, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Next time there’s a questionable call, he’ll run out onto the field and push Wedge out of the way.
La Presidenta del Club de Amantes de Rafael Betancourt.
by salome on Apr 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good chance Wood throws 4 pitches or less here.
by Ryan on Apr 19, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cuz he needs some playing time to stay sharp and we’re miles away from having another save situation.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
3 pitches is going to keep him sharp?
by supermarioelia on Apr 19, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he looked pretty sharp, no?
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take a 4-game split in NY everytime, but I think Wedge’s tactics here cost us the series. 89 pitches and Pavano was pitching his best game in years, am I missing something?
Wood’s gonna pitch the bottom of the 9th, too, guys.
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on Apr 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wedge needs to spend all day tomorrow rethinking how he uses this pen. Jensen and Raffy P are no longer good. Raffy B is marginal, as is Vinnie Chulk. Masa may or not be decent. Wood is dominant. And hire John Meloan.
And your point is?
I’m still high on Smith and think he needs to get some more appearances.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The ball is literally bouncing their way in this game.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Of course, still no mlb.com video
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
I just don’t like this at all. I’m pissy.
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
I think we should mess up the clubhouse after the game.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on Apr 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rivera gets all the calls.
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on Apr 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was an incredibly unsatisfying way to spend the last 3 1/2 hours.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Hire Ron Darling for all future video reviews.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
Something’s wrong when Carl Pavano is let down by our lousy (minus Wood) bullpen.
by kuzzy on Apr 19, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So maybe, just maybe, I was wrong about taking Pavano out. But seriously, how messed up is that our bullpen isn’t a better choice for the 7th and 8th then putting Carl F’n Pavano through the lineup again??
by dgcambridge on Apr 19, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
any blame on the bullpen has to also reflect poorly on our starting pitching
by world dictator on Apr 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He means that they’re overworked because of the poor SP. But I agree with dg. Our SP is finally coming around and our BP can’t hold anything short of an 18 run lead.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Going into NY, we would have been satisfied with a split, but the 2 frustrating losses
next to the 2 dominating wins, leave us wih an unsatisfying feeling.
It takes awhile to overcome a 1-7 start. We need to get over .500 by mid-May.
by palcal on Apr 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kerry Wood needs to get a reversible Betancourt costume. Need to find some way to get that guy work.
Sweet. You can actually hear the Wedge3000’s hydraulic motors whirring away during the postgame interview.
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Force quit and move to trash.
Sweet. You can actually hear the Wedge3000’s hydraulic motorswhirringgrinding away during the postgame interview.
by odradek on Apr 19, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
“Posada’s home run ruins return of Pavano” F.U., ESPN widget.
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
Fixed.
"UmpPosada’s home runruins return of Pavano"F.U., ESPN widget.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Apr 19, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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