Atom Miller to undergo career-threatening surgery
This has been suggested and hinted at in the past, but now Lonnie Soloff says it's going down Tuesday.
Sad to think that his career could be over before we ever really knew what he was. Hoping it goes well.
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How about the pitching with pain option? Has he considered that?
I’m kidding.
Mostly. At least 75% kidding.
by dgcambridge on Apr 24, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
One thing I’m unclear on … is whether a guy can even be put on the 60-day without being activated on the big-league roster first. (Activating him would mean paying him 400K and starting his service time clock, neither of which is a huge deal in the grand scheme of things at this point, but both of which you’d rather avoid.)
What I am sure of: If we outrighted him off the 40-man and didn’t put him back in November, he’d become a six-year free agent. Given his upside, I don’t see us doing that, despite the greatly diminished chance of our ever seeing that upside.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
If you don’t know the answer to a roster question, I’m not sure anyone does.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 24, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought players were given their 400k automatic deal as soon as they were added to the 40 man roster?
by NickFantana on Apr 24, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No, players only make the pro-rated 400k minimum when they are on the 25 man roster. If they are on the 40 man roster, typically it is a split contract. Check out Cot’s.
For example:
Zach Jackson lhp
1 year/$0.4038M (2009)
1 year/$0.4038M (2008)
acquired by Cleveland in trade from Milwaukee 7/7/08
re-signed by Cleveland 3/9/09 ($102,200 in minors)
So when he is on the 25 man roster, he gets the 403.8k prorated salary, but when he is the minors, he gets the 102.2k prorated.
Of course, not all guys not on the 25 get split contracts, mainly just the prospects whose contracts get renewed by the club.
Actually, I think they can be. I recall a few Rule 5 guys who got hurt in Spring Training, but were put on the 60 day DL. I also could have sworn I’ve seen prospects get called up and immediately be placed on the 15 or 60 day DL. But this is usually closer to the playoff roster freeze time.
You are correct they accumulate service time though.
I also could have sworn I’ve seen prospects get called up and immediately be placed on the 15 or 60 day DL
Yes, but that is exactly my concern — that they needed to be called up to be put on the 60-day.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
(Warning: The following is very dorky!)
OK, I tried this in OOTP, world-renowned for simulating baseball the most accurately. In the game, no player in the minor leagues can be placed on the Disabled List. The Disabled List is reserved for players on the major league roster.
by NickFantana on Apr 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This is, more than anything else, very sad. He seems like a straightforward, nice kid who possessed the talent of the ages in his right arm. He hasn’t injured himself through laziness or poor decisions, just dreadful luck. We can feel sorry for ourselves as fans, but we really ought to feel sorry for Adam Miller.
by tabler84 on Apr 24, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
amen.
He worked very hard to get where he is today. Just to make it through the minors is an incredible task in itself, but this kid had setback after setback, but still continued to believe in his ability, the organization and his work ethic to get to the majors. He could’ve easily given up or be mad at anything and everything, however he stuck with it, even pitching with basically 4 fingers, so let’s hope all goes well and he can somehow get back on the mound — hopefully with the major league club.
I do feel terrible for Miller, but then again, he does walk away with a million bucks, which is more than most busted prospects have to show for their run.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
If he comes back, and I hope that somehow he will, how long of a rehab assignment would we give him? What would his path to the majors look like? Would we apply the same kind of rehab schedule we grant major league veterans?
If he comes back, it will be in the offseason. Assuming he stays on the 40-man, he’ll have two options remaining. I imagine we would start him off in the low minors and let him ease back into pitching. If it went well, he’d be back in AAA within weeks, and beyond that, he’d be called up as ready and as needed.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
This, of course, is the worst possible news. We need another consult from our hand doc.
My guess is that Miller’s medical team will be entering new territory: How do you do delicate hand/finger surgery without forming debilitating scar tissue?
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How do you do delicate hand/finger surgery without forming debilitating scar tissue?
You don’t, right? So he’s finished.
It’s the “debilitating” part that’s the issue. He’s gonna have scar tissue, how much it effects his pitching is in question.
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I’d love to hear from team doctors about their plan with this. It is fascinating to me, given that I know so little about medical science and because this is such a rare problem for a ballplayer. Chuck, from what you know, we ought not waste much time crossing our fingers on this one, right?
From what I was told by our hand specialist plastic surgery prof, getting back to normal function will be a huge issue, let alone pitching again at a major league level. Adam, all the best, and I feel really sorry for you, but you’re pretty much Juan Lara to me now.
by supermarioelia on Apr 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Mario probab ly gave you the straight skinny here. The problem is I don’t know anyone who’s ever had a patient with this problem, let alone a professional ball player. Like I said above this is new territory.
But then again when Tommy John had his ground breaking procedure that was new too. Miller could come back, but it’s a long shot.
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I wonder if they can perform minimally invasive surgery to repair this, like if it was a knee or an elbow.
-Erik
I would have to guess no….haha how small are those port sites going to be? If this can be done using minimally invasive techniques though, that would be the most wild surgery ever. But my guess is that their #1 concern at this point is restoring structure and function and will worry about scar tissue later. And how many of these surgeries would this surgeon be performing each year? Can’t be more than a handful, if any.
by supermarioelia on Apr 25, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys just wait, Atom Miller’s finger scars are going to be like built-in sandpaper. Here comes the craziest screwball you’ve ever seen.
by Chemo on Apr 25, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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