Game Thread 3: April 29, 2009
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And thank goodness we have Wood. Without him, those could very well be 27 9th-inning runs.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying just by virtue of having another human being pitching the 9th.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicken Fausto Carmona
Per Julie:
Chicken breast in a garlic, olive oil, dried chili and gorgonzola sauce tossed with fettucine and fresh tomatoes.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Quite so.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m seriously considering trying this. Sans the tomatoes.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m trying to think of something that would be gorgonzola-y without the cheese. I mean, sure, you could find a mold I suppose…
Why not grill the chicken separately with the chili, garlic and olive oil and then just toss with fresh pasta. That should be enough sauce.
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This sounds good.
I was thinking originally of making this more Caribbean in flavor, so maybe saute the chicken, chilis, garlic, chopped tomatoes, and maybe something like a papaya in oil and serve it over rice and black beans.
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OK, that is a different direction but also good. I would say with such fresh flavors, you probably want to be light with the oil. Maybe even don’t cook the papaya and add it in raw at the last minute as a topping or side.
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta say, it’s disheartening to hear the crowd in Cleveland respond so positively to plays that are bad for the Indians.
Criticizing players as if you could do their job is absurd.
If you want to say he sucks, fine but don’t act like you can do his job.
I never suggested I could be a major league hitter. But it does not take a genius to know that he’s been chasing high fastballs like crazy. Lester struck him out on one earlier today. I’m not vying for my major league ability, or lack there of. I’m wondering when a MLB hitter is going to make an adjustment after two weeks of not.
Dude really?
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on Apr 29, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Generic criticism
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t mean any disrespect. Saying “Jhonny sucks” is too easy a criticism, and he knows that. We all want Jhonny to do well, as does Jhonny. It’s just a matter of him watching tapes and seeing the way he’s been defeated for the last 10 days.
Handed a break last night, have a chance for a nice relaxing win tonight… oh wait, forgot that it never works that way.
By the way, why is Peralta not getting like multiple days off.
Give this man a fastball. Please.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, Grady’s left-right splits for the year are interesting
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
Come on guys, CAPITALIZE.
CAPITALIZE GRADY.
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by salome on Apr 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mario, will a good result earn Grady forgiveness?
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
Not too bright, obvi.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 29, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, it was a well hit ball, just hit too close to an outfielder.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
2/3 of all PA end in an out. You don’t get “credit” for “calling” one.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
1/2 of all arrivals to game threads end in the team’s expected win % increasing or decreasing. You don’t get “credit” for “saving us”.
/jackass comment
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is sort of passive-aggressive, but also funny. I recommend it.
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You need this, Grady. I need this.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
DAMN
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
One thing I do like about the STO crew this year is that they have started talking more about pitching strategy on a pitch by pitch basis, as far as what to throw when. Of course, Manning usually guesses wrong about 50% of the time.
Welcome aboard. It’s not a ship I’m happy to be on though.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
a sitter – which is what Bay is doing now
by APV on Apr 29, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could see Droobs walk it off
Free LaPorta; when proper.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I could see any of three.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Three best hitters this inning.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
I went to the gem & mineral convention in Tucson last year. It happened to be going on, and I heard it was something else.
I learned that there are other rocks that women can take seriously for the same purpose, and I saw firsthand people develop crushes on rocks.
I still don’t know why people feel so intimate about shiny little stones, but it’s an amazing thing to see.
I’m planning on asking this nurse out tomorrow, and I can’t stop laughing at the prospect of asking someone to gamethread as a date.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
This would be hilarious
Free LaPorta; when proper.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 29, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
“I would ask you to coffee, but I’m already committed to something between 7 and 10 pm
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck was probably experimenting with two at a time back in his day.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Nurses? Hell yes. I finish on this rotation Friday so there’s not even a risk of affecting patient care if she says no.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
cool, I’m going to be doing rotations at the Cleveland VA to be a dietitian soon.. pumped
by Clevo's Finest on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We really do need an LGT dietician to go over that last game thread with a fine-toothed comb.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Like meeting the parents on the first date, if you ask me.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 29, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Better stop at Jared.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh. Never heard of such a thing.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
that 2nd strike was ridic
Free LaPorta; when proper.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 29, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
If only McCarver could tell me that Okajima looks at 3B while dealing.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
This umpiring crew is the best! I’ve really enjoyed watching this series! I hope to see these guys come to Atlanta soon!
This backwardsness is going to pay off.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Shoppach ever works on his first base skills. This would’ve really helped tonight.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
Nice to Betancourt crapped the bed tonight. You know, spreading around that bullpen awesomeness.
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
I hate Hammy
“CHOO HITS IT TO RIGHT but definitely playable”
by Clevo's Finest on Apr 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
The crowd was way worse than Hammy on that one.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And if he gets on, it’s JP TIME!
Goddamn.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny, while we have 14 pitchers, two of them are off-limits because of work and we’ve used three, so we’re really down to Rundles, Masa, Chulk and Smith tonight, right?
Who do you choose out of that crap platter?
The one who likes bacon cinnamon buns. Would probably be Masa. He’s done way crazier.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Jhere’s Jhonny!
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
Nice jhob asshole
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
Johnny standing further away from the plate there or was it just me? Can someone rewind that?
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
The air was green, the grass was pure blah blah blah
Can this Pure Michigan guy sound any more bored?
--
Force quit and move to trash.
It’s Tim Allen. He’s just in coke withdrawal.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this during the at bat before the disaster. At this point I felt nervous about pressing our mini-streak of luck with Jensen all the way through Van Every, but I felt a kind of detached resignation over our options. If anything but a homer happened, I think that would have been Jensen’s last batter. The worst possible outcome of that situation (no on, two out preceding the ninth) was to serve up a long ball, and that’s what happened.
This is a good example of the worst thing that could happen happening, and that’s this early season in a nutshell.
This team is so tight all the damn time. Clenched sphincters all around.
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
Two years ago, when the Indians were in Detroit, the Detroit announcers said that Travis Hafner is a sphincter hitter—when he comes to the plate, they can feel it in their sphincters.
These are the people who communicate with the masses.
Jhonny’s sphincter is contracting so tightly it’s cutting off blood supply to his testicles. And that’s not even anatomically possible.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what happens when you’re grinding all the time.
by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re more a blind obedience kinda guy?
by jakesinger777 on Apr 29, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this’ll be my pickup line tomorrow. Settled.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And the crazy part is, considering that WE’RE calling for Jhonny’s head, how mad do you think Wedge is?
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
WEDGE3000: zzzpppt … brrrrp …. grinding …. zzzppttt … sitting on the right pitch …. nnnmmmrrr … took his swings ….. zpppt
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
bzzt…. game plan… brrrt… good cuts… bzzt… pressing
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He may actually not have a problem with it. Jhonny has, at least to my eyes, been well focused and performing very well in the field, and Wedge seems to be concerned with that above all else.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Oh that Eric…he’s always gotta buck the trend.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind this for the bottom part of the order. Bring in the fresh crappy guy after Ellsbury.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
“you could bet your mortgage that it wouldn’t be Van Every hitting a HR in EI” -Hammy
by Clevo's Finest on Apr 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that we’re going to suck all year and still be in contention. It’s just a question of if you can stomach it.
Are we actually going to lose this game? My god.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
i’m dropping jensen from my fantasy team out of principal. i don’t even plan on replacing him with anybody.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
I know I wasn’t anywhere near here, I didn’t say anything, and it’s Van Every, but do you at least THINK about having Rundles ready? How many pitches was that for Jensen?
Sure we have individual pieces that all look great at some point, but they almost have elements of suck to them. Serious elements of suck.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
DeFlated
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
< font size = "100em"> F U HAMMY </ font>
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on Apr 29, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Apparently I’m in the minority, but I don’t blame this mess on DeRosa. I think that was a pretty tough error that he took, and he’s done a lot of things to help the team win this game, both at the plate and in the field. And that was a great swing he just took right there.
Grady, on the other hand, has really let the team down tonight.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I don’t blame a player for the occasional error. General poor play is a different matter, and I don’t think DeRosa is playing badly at all.
Grady and J-honey a combined 0-for-9 w/ 8 LOB so far…yee-ouch…
by DontCallMeJoey on Apr 29, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright who had Shoppach down via the high heat in the pool.
/everyone rasises hands
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
All these throws demonstrate some low level of concern with Sizemore.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Doesn’t it show a HIGH level of concren for Sizemore?
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Underpants raises a good point. Why not Crowe on the bases?
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
how bad was that strike call? hammy makes it sound un-close
by DontCallMeJoey on Apr 29, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
now they’re saying grady was calling time
by DontCallMeJoey on Apr 29, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He was. Too late. Didn’t get it. Got pissed. Lost argument.
by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me or was Wedge yelling at Grady?
by rockemsockem on Apr 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t have visual, but that seems unlikely
by DontCallMeJoey on Apr 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wheels
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
I’d like to kick the Tribe into, ya know, winning.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
christ
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Looks in the bullpen, DeRo, and Jhonny’s direction.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We also had some pretty crappy luck on those seeing eye ground balls.
by woodsmeister on Apr 29, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
by not putting it in Rich Rundles’ hands?
by cleveland teamer on Apr 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Now making up my word list for my sestina. Serenity and optimistic are good starts.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
FIRE LAPORTA TRADE WEDGE CALL UP LEE.
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
by rolub on Apr 29, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m getting sort of tired of looking forward to 3 different times with this team… the trading deadline, the winter meetings, and spring training.
Grady with a solid -.538 WPA in the last two games. Didn’t know that was even possible.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
I think he’s extremely frustrated. The quibbling with the ump in the last AB… that is out of character for him, isn’t it? I suspect he is as upset as anyone.
I fucking hate this team. I really do.
Free LaPorta; when proper.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
You know what? Based on what Jay said earlier and what Wedge said on Sunday, I wonder if it isn’t Grady that needs some calling out here.
Of course, this has been his worst game of the season by far so I might be a little revisionist.
If Wedge isn’t ripping everyone on this team right now I’m going to be pissed. In fact, if Wedge doesn’t show up with a cast on his hand because he broke it punching through a wall in the locker room, I’m going to be pissed.
by APV on Apr 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s frustrating because this team seems like it should be so much better. And so many of these games have been tantalizingly close. I don’t know… perhaps this is a psychological bias kind of thing, but it seems like the other team is often dropping in bloop hit after bloop hit, while rocket shots off our bats are tracked down in amazing displays of defense.
Very much so. If Grady bloops in that shot off Delcarmen instead of lining it right at the RF, it’s ballgame.
The Red Sox scored on one hard hit ball, the Van Every HR. Lowell had a broken bat hump-back liner double. Ellsubry, Baily, Varitek, and Van Every had ground balls in that big inning.
I don’t fault Grady for that AB… he got his pitch and nailed it. Just in the wrong place.
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
One of the reasons this team isn’t getting the seeing-eye grounders everyone else seems to be getting might be that the Indians struck out 12 times tonight. Before tonight they were third in the majors in striking out. When you don’t put the ball in play ten times a night it’s hard to get lucky grounders.
Well the bullpen still has some gaping holes in it, the hitting has been ok but they have sucked with RISP, and the rotation outside of Lee and Laffey hasn’t been all that good.
As much as it looks like Carmona is back to form, I don’t buy it, We really need him to go “deep” into a game sometime, tonight was ok but he seemed to lose it in the sixth and wasted away pitches. His K:BB ratio is terrible. I mean terrible. He can get all the ground balls he wants if he continues to walk over four batters per nine innings he’s not going to make it out of the sixth inning often.
I’m so pissed that I don’t even feel vindicated for criticizing Grady over the past week.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
On the other hand:
Chicago Sox 11 10 .524 -
Detroit 11 10 .524 -
Kansas City 10 10 .500 .5
Minnesota 11 11 .500 .5
Cleveland 8 14 .364 3.5
I’m getting sick of looking at these standings though. It only soothes me for so long.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The best piece of shit makes the playoffs though.
by Ryan Kelsey on Apr 30, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course, on the third hand:
Toronto 15 7 .682 -
Boston 14 7 .667 .5
Seattle 13 9 .591 2
Detroit 11 10 .524 3.5
Chicago Sox 11 10 .524 3.5
NY Yankees 11 10 .524 3.5
Kansas City 10 10 .500 4
Texas 10 10 .500 4
Minnesota 11 11 .500 4
LA Angels 9 11 .450 5
Baltimore 9 13 .409 6
Oakland 7 11 .389 6
Cleveland 8 14 .364 7
Tampa Bay 8 14 .364 7
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yay! The Tribe is as good as the defending AL Champs!
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It could just be that the rest of the league is just better. Most teams aren’t doing the stupid shit they used to. Every game is competitive. Every win is precious.
We don’t suck, we’re average.
And we’ve just been beaten, soundly, by a more competitive team.
I don’t agree that we were beaten soundly.
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
But, for the first six innings, we were ROLLING.
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno about that. What turkey would replace him?
They’re all turkeys.
We should trade for Jimmy Gobble.
I think he’s probably our worst option right now. I’m so sick of his 3-run meltdowns. I think Jensen and Perez are average, at least.
Evidently you weren’t there long enough to learn how to spell it.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently I’ve got a date with your sister lined up. We’re gonna gamethread the night away.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
She does call Youkilis “Yuckilis,” so there’s definitely some common ground there. With her current boyfriend, I mean.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha this night just keeps getting better and better.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You really do have to read the earlier thread to understand what the hell I’m talking about.
by supermarioelia on Apr 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Caught the tail end of this coming out of a shitshow of a final, I’m not really in the mood.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been thinking, I could go for a phantom injury to Peralta and a little Luis the V action.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
I hadn’t entertained the notion, but now that you mention it, that doesn’t sound terrible. Even better, let’s just option Jhonny.
by NickFantana on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst part of XM-Sirius merger = Howard Stern saying “Bub-ba The Love Sponge” every half-inning.
by JulioBernazard on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, so, basically I think this is what happens when your bullpen gets overextended. Jensen Lewis goes 30 pitches because nobody else is fresh and trustworthy, things go wrong. If Raffy B doesn’t morph into the fetid corpse of an effective reliever, we win.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Lewis didn’t seem tired at all. He was, as the announcers pontificated on just before he gave up the dinger, really in the groove, throwing strikes. Lost his focus on one (ok two, the inning before on the 0-2) pitch, Van dings it, then he strikes out the next guy.
I wasn’t speculating about Lewis in particular, just in general: The less relievers have to throw per outing, the more effective they are. I realize it’s not terribly scientific, but I think we were pushing our luck.
by fleerdon on Apr 29, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
now seems like a good time for pronk to go ahead and have that shoulder replacement surgery.
by DontCallMeJoey on Apr 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
I’m so bored listening to Wedge I just looked him up on Baseball reference.. only to see:
Suffering Indians Fans sponsor(s) this page.
How long til we get a manager who knows baseball?
LOL
by Clevo's Finest on Apr 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
On that note.. time to take a double shot of whiskey and head to bed… at least we have a day off tomorrow RIGHT?
by Clevo's Finest on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 30, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t watch today’s game, looks like Fausto didn’t completely suck. Gotta love that his 3:4 K:BB ratio is a positive. Officially hitting the panic button on this season and Fausto. Conversley, not worried about Peralta and SOLD on Droobs’ allstarhood.
I’m with you Joeee, i posted this above but shoulda waited to see if anyone else felt the same.
“As much as it looks like Carmona is back to form, I don’t buy it, We really need him to go "deep" into a game sometime, tonight was ok but he seemed to lose it in the sixth and wasted away pitches. His K:BB ratio is terrible. I mean terrible. He can get all the ground balls he wants if he continues to walk over four batters per nine innings he’s not going to make it out of the sixth inning often.”
Scanned the thread and saw some mention of sphincters. I laughed. That, in a walnut shell, is the word I always think of in the Wedge era teams. Poised on the flap of a sphincter.
by mcrose on Apr 29, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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