1st pitch of 2009, anyone else watching?
by Julie on Apr 5, 2009 8:10 PM EDT
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PrintJon Miller with his face made for radio and Joe Morgan with his brain made for McDonalds. ESPN 2. Phillies versus Braves.
It's baseball! It's 2009!
I couldn't care less about either of these teams, but I'm watching. I need a brief fix of baseball to calm me down.
Who's with me?
This is going to be a rough season for me, but I'm fired up.
Can the Phillies repeat? Do I care? NO!
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Why boo Chipper Jones?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 5, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I thought this said that he’s BLACK….and that’s where I would’ve drawn the line with confusing ethnicity names.
by supermarioelia on Apr 5, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
With this Arizona heat and wind, you can’t take all these home runs at face value.
"...leading the league in most offensive categories. Including nose hairs."
Do you only use this user name when posting sarcastic comments?
by JulioBernazard on Apr 5, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Tex at 1B
Matsui at DH
No one really wants him playing OF, do they?
by JulioBernazard on Apr 5, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
When C.C. does well, it rests the Yankees bullpen, helping them to win other games, too.
Rooting for C.C. to do well = rooting for the Yankees to do well
Any denial of this is pure rationalization.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 5, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t deny it. I just don’t care. I like him. I like it when players I like do well.
by Julie on Apr 5, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, it’s even worse when it’s the starting pitcher. The starter has about as much influence on the game as six position players.
So it’s like saying, I’m rooting for Posada, Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, Damon and Matsui all to do well … but then the Yankees to lose anyway.
Or, I’m rooting to be dealt a 5 and an 8 at the black jack table … and then get a 21 anyway!
I.e., it’s just stupid.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
You do know that rooting doesn’t change reality, right? No matter how hard I might root for anyone, it doesn’t make them play better.
In other words, I’m not hurting you.
It isn’t entirely clear that your rooting for the Yankees doesn’t hurt me.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Julie, I like you a whole hell of a lot. Really, I do.
But I am well known for not suffering fools gladly, and I will show no mercy on this subject. It isn’t just the inherent foolishness, it’s the particular problem of the Yankees, who enjoy a $150 million advantage and are particularly undeserving of a good result. It’s like rooting for O.J. Simpson to have a really good lawyer.
You and everyone else has been forewarned — LGT will not be a hospitable place for pro-C.C. folks. If you are rooting for C.C., I would advise you to express that sentiment in the appropriate place, i.e., on a Yankees forum.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I am telling you that some things are not appropriate to express on this forum. There’s a whole list of them in the Ground Rules.
Rooting for the Yankees is one of those things. This generally would be considered trolling, in fact. If you are posting about how much you want C.C. to do well, you basically are just asking for a fight. I’m sure you are not in the habit of bringing up sensitive subjects without any productive purpose in your everyday life.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
No, that actually is okay now. But the conversation is going to go like this:
BrianRose: I hate that fat slob.
APV: Actually, he’s apparently in great shape and works out all the time. He’s just huge.
BrianRose: Yeah, I know, but I just hate that guy.
mauichuck: Rec.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 5, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manhattan Tribe Fan: Rec.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 5, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The Julie thing was a little authoritarian, though.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 5, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, it’s her loss. Let her try the ESPN sites for awhile. She’ll come back.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
if you root for CC to do well and the yankees to still lose, that would mean that you’re rooting for six position players to do especially poorly. so really its like super-rooting against the (non-CC) yankees.
maybe you don’t hate the yankees enough to pull for CC?
by BrianRose on Apr 5, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stop living in the past. CC did make the choice to pitch for the Yankees. It’s not like anyone was holding a gun to his head.
Or, put it this way – if CC were still an Indian and bit the big one in Game 7 of the World Series, would Tribe fans still root for the guy?
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin
Julie, think of it this way.
CC Sabathia is guaranteed to make $161M from the Yankees. On a personal level, that means he’s more than set for life, no matter what he does from now on. So if you’re rooting for CC as a person, I don’t see any conflict in rooting for him fail on the field, since he’s still getting a large check every two weeks no matter what happens.
But he’s pitching for the Yankees now, which means he’s pitching in competition with the Indians. If he’d be pitching for the Seattle Mariners, he’d still be the enemy. You have to root for him to fail early and fail often, and that goes for everyone on an opposing team, from the ace to the backup catcher. By all means remember what he did for the Indians, but that’s in the past now.
what he did for the Indians
Every day – except when the chips were on the table in the ’07 ALCS, when he turned into Jose Mesa.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
Yeah. Brick killed a guy!
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 5, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chuck is not asserting facts in conflict with yours. The only difference is tone.
And actually, Sabathia was credited with 6.6 wins above replacement in 2007, and we won the division by eight games. So you could argue that the Indians get to the postseason even without Sabathia — and obviously, with his 15 ER in 15.1 IP, he made no contribution toward our advancing in the playoffs once we got there.
I’m just saying, you could make the argument. Now the 2008 Brewers, on the other hand, they could definitely say that.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
True. Though I’d counter that his performance in previous seasons helped build that club by knowing we had an ace and could focus resources elsewhere etc.
Oh, I think the whole argument is bogus, I’m just saying, there’s an argument.
It’s bogus in part because WARP doesn’t really account for how it helps the bullpen to have a guy go 241 innings, specifically leading the league. Consider that the average AL team’s top IP guy went 216 innings, so C.C. spared the bullpen 25 innings above the average #1 starter, and of course many more IP compared to an average AL starter or replacement-level guy. (Of course, this same effect is one of the reasons why you can’t root for him to pitch well for the Yankees.)
It’s also bogus because rolling into the playoffs after clinching two weeks earlier is not at all the same thing as clinching in the final weekend.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 6, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
if we’re not allowed to discuss non-Indians in any sort of positive, maybe that should be in the ground rules. then, if anyone were to slip up and say “Ian Kinsler sure seems like a nice guy” y’all would be able to say that discussing non-Indians positively is strictly prohibited. rather than just browbeating people into submission about it.
by BrianRose on Apr 6, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if CC is pitching against the White Sox, don’t we want him to do well? wouldn’t that help up more than him failing?
That’s a whole different discussion, and it has to do with ranking teams at different parts of the season, based on whose failure is more helpful to us. Early in the year, it probably makes more sense to root for the White Sox to lose to the Yankees, but it’s a close call. C.C. will start almost all of his games against a direct or indirect rival of ours, but the team he’s pitching for is the clear preseason favorite to win the Wild Card.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Let’s not slice this too thin or turn it into some metaphysical discussion. Yankees – all Yankees – are part of a business unit dedicated to the distruction of competitive baseball. They are a predatory organization. Any support, in any form is tantamount to supporting the distruction of baseball. I don’t like it and will never like it.
You can root for whoever you wish, but you’re gonna hear from me every time you do.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Apr 6, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lord did I just spell destruction “distruction” twice? Man I gotta stop smokin’ this stuff.
Resident LGT results-oriented boob.
by mauichuck on Apr 6, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he’d be pitching for the Seattle Mariners, he’d still be the enemy.
I somewhat agree, but not entirely. I agree that he’d still be the enemy, and I have chided people in the past for rooting for the A’s (they’re dorks!) or the Rays (they’re so cute!). But the Yankees are in a different category, as their ongoing business practices uniquely threaten the Indians’ chances to make the playoffs and win a championship.
I would argue, in fact, that C.C. is in a special category, because of his tremendous contributions to the Indians, but whatever slack I may have given him is negated by the Yankees also being in a special category. Bottom line, why couldn’t he have signed with the f’ing Dodgers?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Meant as a curious, polite question:
Who do you think we should we root for in the AL? The rest of the teams can’t all go 0-162.
by Voltaire on Apr 6, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Pirates.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 6, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So what’s up with the strike zone on Gameday? I’ve seen it lots of different sizes. Does it scale to the height of the player?
Gameday confirms that was strike four.
by Voltaire on Apr 5, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ewww.
/scrubs/
It won’t come off! It won’t come off!
by Voltaire on Apr 6, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec for being a good sport.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Apr 6, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
did anyone catch Joe Morgan talking about OPS at the start of the broadcast? I know these things are all pre-written and apparently ESPN is giving OPS some more exposure, but it just seemed strange. Almost like he spoke an alien language.
Huh, what is this thing called baseball?
So 2009.
by Gradyforpresident on Apr 5, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
You have to live with these jackasses before you realize why you should never root for CC or the Yankees
Just take my word for it
Volt’s right, the smell can be tough.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 6, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
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