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New Blood: Free Download + Extras

Our esteemed publisher MSP has decided to release one free article from each Annual as a downloadable PDF.  I made some suggestions, and from those MSP chose to feature "New Blood", written by our man Tyler Chirdon (fleerdon).  I also encouraged MSP to tack the popular "Five-Year Depth Chart" onto the end of that article, and they did.  So for anyone who hasn't seen the Annual or would just like an electronic copy of those six pages, go and get it.

In addition, Tyler sent me some interview material with Brad Grant and John Mirabelli that didn't make it into that article due to space constraints.  In Tyler's own words:  "There was an earlier version of the article that had a becoming, free-spirited bent to it. It was also nearly a thousand words too long."

I think "New Blood" initially comes off as a fairly harmless piece, but it's actually quite unique in its content.  The basic idea — highlighting the Indians' 10 most significant amateur signings of 2008, based on money, both from draft and from international scouting — was a conscious effort to "reset the conversation" on amateur talent acquisition.  That conversation has long been defined by draft coverage that is 100 times more voluminous for the draft than for international signings, mostly because Baseball America covers American college baseball and American high school baseball comprehensively — not just for the MLB prospects those leagues produce, but simply to cover them in their own right.  It is, after all, Baseball America.

That coverage imbalance, however, leads to massive misunderstandings among casual fans about the whole process of acquiring amateur talent, and for Indians fans, it ultimately led to one particularly noxious, self-proclaimed expert self-imploding in a fiery ball of rage.  I myself knew very little about amateur talent acquisition, but I knew enough to know that that guy knew even less.  Acquiring amateur talent is so much more broad and complex than just drafting Baseball America's top-rated talent in every round of the draft — as I'm sure the BA guys themselves would tell you — and I felt it was far past time someone presented a fresh take on the subject.

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A problem arose when Tyler and I realized that there was literally no information publicly available on the Indians' international signings, no matter how hard we looked.  If the Indians weren't willing to talk to us about those guys, then we were sunk.  Fortunately, the Indians' longtime PR man Bob DiBiasio was willing to arrange for both Brad Grant and John Mirabelli to talk to Tyler.  Just as significantly, both Grant and Mirabelli were impressed enough by the quality of Tyler's questions that they gave him all kinds of information and insight, much more than we ever expected for an article initially envisioned as almost a sidebar to Adam's comprehensive "top prospects" piece.  It became something else.  It became a sort of primer on the issues and situations faced by a major league club, when trying to find the best amateur talent from all sources — high schools, major and minor college programs, Venezuela, the Dominican, Asia — and sign them to deals that make sense for the club.

After all that, we still ended up with just one full page of text, total, covering the Indians' four largest international signings of 2008 — yet that one page is still ten times more material than you could have found on the entire Internet regarding those four players.  I hope we can start delving a lot more into the international signing process — I mean, hell, it's only responsible for guys like Victor Martinez, Fausto Carmona, Rafael Perez — and I hope other folks pick up that ball and run with it, too.

A quick note on the Depth Chart, since it's part of the download.  My initial idea was just to go position by position, showing the projected arrival of each of the guys in Adam's Top 20 over the next few years.  I explained the format I had in mind to Adam and asked him to take a first pass at it.  He thought it would be cool to add in all the current major leaguers, too, and when I saw what he'd done, it just transformed the chart completely.  The next step was to add in even more prospects, drawing in part on other material from both Adam and Tyler.  One final change to the format was to pull the nine positions together into four groups, so that there was a greater sense of continuity and much less ambivalence over where a given player should appear.  It was a great group effort, and I thank Adam for his help in putting it together.

And now, that bonus material from Tyler's interviews ...

 

Brad Grant, Director of Amateur Scouting

Last year, the club took an NAIA player with its first pick; this year, a JuCo player. Is there a pattern here? Do the Indians scout less traditional venues more aggressively than some other clubs do?

I would not say this was a conscious decision for us. We recognize that players come from all over, but we certainly targeted and had a lot of players from major Division I programs in our first round considerations over the last two years. The fact that we took an NAIA and Juco player with our first picks is more the byproduct of the draft than of a specific philosophy.

John Mirabelli called Lonnie Chisenhall's defense at shortstop a "pleasant surprise." Did you scout Chisenhall strictly as a third baseman, or has there been a chance that he could stick in the middle infield all along?

Yes, we drafted Lonnie with the intention that he would eventually move to third base. Although he did play shortstop very well this summer, we still believe that his ultimate role at the Major League level will be as a third baseman. He did begin the transition to third at Instructional League this fall.

Some people were surprised about the David Roberts selection. Can you shed some light on that pick? What skill of Roberts' impressed you most?

We see an athletic pitcher with a chance for a plus fastball and solid-average slider who can be an effective back end bullpen arm if everything comes together. Although he pitched for an elite program, he did not get that many innings, and we feel like we are getting a fresh, projection arm who is just starting to come into his own.

 

John Mirabelli, Assistant GM, Scouting Operations

It's no secret that many Latin American players are under great pressure to adapt quickly to American life and pro baseball so they can help their families. Do the Indians specifically factor a player's ability to withstand that stress as part of their make-up evaluation?

Make-up is a huge component of our evaluations, both domestic and international. We are one of the few organizations that I know of that has a Cultural Development program. We cover everything from A-Z, both on and off the field, as it relates to their transition.

I hear a lot about efforts to teach English to Latino baseball players. Do the Indians also make efforts to teach Spanish to their English-speaking personnel, or is English the working language of baseball?

Yes, we do incentivize our staff to learn Spanish. Bi-lingual ability is a huge asset in a staff member. I wouldn't say it is a prerequisite in our hiring process, but the more bi-lingual people we have in our organization, the better chance we have in creating a dynamic, all-inclusive culture.

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Ironically, I had started putting together the depth chart before I even knew about the Annual. The finished product was many times better than anything I had come up with, though. I love that thing. And love Tyler’s piece. We had a pretty interesting signing group last season.

by APV on Apr 7, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting to me that after years of people complaining that the Indians don’t get enough high-ceiling high school arms, they land two of the most buzzed-about prep pitchers in the 2009 class in House and Haley and nobody seems to care.

by fleerdon on Apr 7, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

TINSTAAPP

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Apr 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and for Indians fans, it ultimately led to one particularly noxious, self-proclaimed expert self-imploding in a fiery ball of rage.

I know I’m just overlooking it, but I cannot recall what this is in reference to.

Meanwhile, congrats to Tyler on getting at this information. I have re-read the piece several times because it’s so dense with information.

by NickFantana on Apr 7, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

There was a guy writing for Swerbs who was so apoplectic over Indians draft picks — when he clearly knew nothing that he hadn’t read in BA — it was like he was on horse amphetamines. It eventually got so bad that not only did they get rid of him, they deleted his entire archive of articles.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 7, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

That guy was bad

by APV on Apr 7, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah. Was BA essentially his sole source of “expertise” or something like that?

by NickFantana on Apr 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

He posted a lot on a board I used to read. It was agonizing. He also acted like no organization had ever traded players the caliber of Luke Scott and Willy Tavares.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The scout.com indians board, right? What was your handle on that board? Nosco has popped up at one time or another on pretty much every Indians board I’ve ever read regularly, and while it was fun to get him riled up for a while — he basically thought everyone was trolling him all the time — it just got too exhausting and I started avoiding the places he was active. Thank god he didn’t last long here.

by mrich on Apr 7, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only posted a handful of times, but I used a JeffManto moniker.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 7, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m found my way to LGT from that board a couple years ago… I got tired of the mods and didn’t like the format of the place… once again, I love SBN 2.0.

It was better than anything else I had found on the internet to talk Indians. But that was before I knew about LGT. I’ve tried to check back over there a couple times, but it doesn’t seem quite as active as it was when I left. And now that I am armed with my LGT knowledge, the analysis and discussions just seemed, well, lame.

by Ryan Kelsey on Apr 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, other forums are really hard to take now. Even forums that have nothing to do with baseball. Spoiled by the caliber of people here.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah… I long for an LGT-esque outlet for my non-sports interests. Local politics, national politics especially, but other things too- music, food, beer.

by Ryan Kelsey on Apr 7, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

great choice as this piece represents the fact that this book has content, access and insight that just isn’t available out there.

also! if i had to pick one thing i had a copy of, it would be that depth chart.

by Brick. on Apr 7, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

What I didn’t suspect when I was researching the piece is that the lack of international signing coverage is something the teams themselves seek out, at least in part. Once an international amateur is signed and in uniform, there’s nothing to hide, but before that, Mirabelli said there is literally “no benefit” to discussing international scouting, particularly the financial side. This doesn’t excuse the baseball media’s pretending that international signees materialize out of the ether, of course.

Reading between the lines of Mirabelli’s answers, though, there was a digression I wish I could have spent more time on. It’s true that the DR is crawling with scouts, but it’s also true that Venezuela and Columbia have actual health care and birth registration and school systems. In other words, the South American prospects are more likely to come with legit birth certificates, and many of the costs attendant to scouting are reduced or covered by the existence of some actual government services. My sense is that la República Dominicana is pretty, you know, loosey-goosey.

by fleerdon on Apr 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

My sense is that la República Dominicana is pretty, you know, loosey-goosey.

I’d hate to see what’s on the shelf at their GNCs.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also! I love the It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia-esque verbal tic with helping verbs that every member of this front office uses — “we do incentivize our staff to learn Spanish,” “he did begin the transition to third.” It’s like saying, “Yes, fair question, and I am going to answer it as narrowly as is humanly possible without violating the rules of grammar.”

by fleerdon on Apr 7, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Star Jones: “Yes, I am a lawyer.”

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 7, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tyler’s is one of my favorite pieces from the Annual, particularly for the way it’s laid out. It doesn’t simply say, “Here’s the 1st Round pick, here’s the 2nd Round pick…” The ranking of players by money (which is the real sense of how they’re valued) is so much more helpful and insightful.

This stuff is just icing on the cake, though I wonder how it is that the Polo Shirt Mafia all speaks in the EXACT same manner.

by The DiaTriber on Apr 7, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Rosetta Stone.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 7, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Credit Jay with the ranking idea.

by fleerdon on Apr 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The draft obsession and lack of international coverage has been a pet peeve of mine for some time.

Last year, we gave basically the same signing bonus, 2nd round money, to:

  • a 16th round pick out o high school, projected to go in the 3rd round
  • a college junior drafted in the 7th round
  • a redshirted sophomore drafted in the 22nd round
  • a 16-year-old in Venezuela

It seemed pretty clear to me that it was time to step back and find a new perspective.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you! Great job, guys.

Maybe this was discussed elsewhere, but in the spirit of Kyle Boddy at Drive-Line Mechanics, did anyone else notice the dreaded Inverted W shown by Chen-Chang Lee?

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s okay, he’s from Taiwan.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 7, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course. They do not use a Latin alphabet, so he is safe.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge..." C. Darwin

by Spidey on Apr 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Some teams may have been worried about Putnam’s health—he suffered a few injuries over his college career, and his junior season was shortened by a non-baseball illness.

What? No Indians Fever?

by rog on Apr 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

By folding in contract status, the depth chart is more than a snapshot, it’s a tool. And the c-3b category was a stroke of genius. I wonder if it’s just us, or if it would work as well for other teams.

And fleerdon’s instinct about including the international signees provides a new perspective. Nicely done, gentlemen.

by ken from alexandria on Apr 7, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks to everybody for your kind words. I do want to make sure Jay’s getting the proper share of your kudos. Both the original concept and the expanded concept were his. If I did any of this right without Jay’s direction, it’s only because I wasn’t listening very closely when he described the assignment to me.

by fleerdon on Apr 7, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s lovely but untrue. I never asked for a broad survey of the challenges faced by clubs and scouts in finding the right amateurs to sign and then signing them. I just wanted to profile a bunch of guys, put international guys on an equal footing with draftees, and a little discussion of the Indians’ flier-heavy draft strategy.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jay wrote my whole piece for the annual. All I had to do was initial it.

by afh4 on Apr 8, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, because all that white space in the annual isn’t because it was my job for it to be there… it’s because Jay did such an awesome job at intuitively leaving some that all I needed to do was say “sure, leave it.”

Travis Hafner is overrated. Clarity is underrated. David Dellucci is David Dellucci.

by westbrook on Apr 8, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly, I’m not sure what this says about Jay.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 8, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could talk a great deal about my approach to the role of editor, but it seems pretty off-topic.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Apr 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably for the best; I was just making fun of Andrew. Although that could be interested in its own right.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Apr 8, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This thread presents a great opportunity to express my appreciation for the Annual. It sits right on the table in front of me now, and I frequently read or reread parts of it when time allows. It’s the perfect companion for obsessive Tribe fans. Thanks to Jay and to all who contributed!

by MTF on Apr 8, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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