Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: More Televised Winter Baseball, Please

+UPDATE+ - Lastoria reports that Rondon will be moved to the bullpen in Akron.

Rondon link

almost 3 years ago Catparty_tiny Toxicadam 45 comments 0 recs  | 

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Yay! For Valbuena.

by RD74 on May 12, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree. Better Barfield than Valbuena, especially since Wedge is considering playing Peralta at 3B.

Tribe fan trapped in Kansas

by Avindian on May 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jamie Carol!

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, just got back from the future. Didn’t have too much time to mess around while I was there but I did grab today’s lineups. And they are…

Chicago White Sox
Player AVG HR RBI
J NIX SS .333 1 2
C GETZ 2B .274 0 6
C QUENTIN LF .237 8 18
J DYE RF .292 7 17
J THOME DH .212 4 14
P KONERKO 1B .307 3 21
J FIELDS 3B .255 2 12
C MILLER C .182 0 3
S PODSEDNIK CF .231 0 2
C RICHARD -L P

Cleveland Indians
Player AVG HR RBI
G SIZEMORE CF .226 6 23
A CABRERA 2B .325 1 16
V MARTINEZ C .372 6 20
M DEROSA 3B .246 6 22
S CHOO RF .273 3 17
J PERALTA SS .246 1 13
R GARKO DH .274 1 12
M LAPORTA 1B .154 1 2
B FRANCISCO LF .247 2 8
J SOWERS -L P .000 0 0

by Xeifrank on May 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting LaPorta at 1B

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that means they’re looking at reducing Shoppach’s ab’s (having LaPorta at first puts Vic behind the plate more). And, by extension, they think Francisco/Dellucci are more likely to contribute offensively than Shoppach. To tell you the truth, I’m glad I don’t have to choose. When Hafner, gets back, he will get LaPorta’s at bats (and some of Garko’s) and LaPorta will return to Columbus in all probability.

by peter m on May 12, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s nice to see LaPorta back in the lineup – being that he is expected as a big part of our future lineups, he should be playing 4-5 times a week (as should Valbuena) – if these guys are just going to sit on the bench for 4-5 days each week, I think they should be back in Columbus playing every day – I’m not sure there sitting on the bench is going to do them much good, plus could lead to them getting rusty.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on May 12, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lastoria says Rondon has been moved to Akron’s bullpen…

by JesseAK on May 12, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Which means we will be seeing Rondon in Cleveland soon

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would think. Wow, this season is just weird, if nothing else.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I have a hard time being excited about this. Wouldn’t a move to Columbus’s pen make more sense.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 12, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s probably the least important part.

by dgcambridge on May 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is great news.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s definitely big news. I’m not sure how I feel about it.

by still ill on May 12, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I’m fond of it – I see Rondon long-term as a starter. I understand, and hope, that moving him to the bullpen temporarily may help the Indians in 2009, but there are two other issues with this year’s team.

1. The inconsistent offense (see the lack of scoring with bases loaded and less than 2 outs – it should be at least 5-3 right now, not 4-3, if our fundamentals were better and more consistent).

2. The rotation still has some question marks – Sowers and Reyes are both iffy – wouldn’t it make just as much sense, if not moreso, to keep Rondon and Huff in their respective rotations, with the chance to help in the second half of this season (maybe even June) – that way, Huff and Rondon will remain in the roles that most analysts think they will fit long-term? Besides, you’ll need more than those two to fix the bullpen anyway – plus, how much are you going to be able to rely on these two, based on their youth, inexperience, and risk of injury due from changing them from starters to relievers during the course of the young season? I think I would have preferred to have kept them as starters and see if they could help the rotation – see more of my reasoning in the next paragraph.

Additionally, this changing from the rotation to the bullpen back to the rotation concerns me on whether it makes injuries more likely. As I’ve also mentioned, fixing the bullpen alone is not likely to salvage this season – the offense needs to be more consistent (the failure to score with the bases loaded and one out against the White Sox is just the latest example – lack of fundamentals and execution, from one who has shown some problems with consistency – DeRosa) and the rotation still has to show some more consistency, especially Reyes and Sowers (though he’s done fairly well against the White Sox).

Just my 2 cents – it certainly is big news – I’m just not sure I’m that fond of it. I hope it works out well, not just for 2009, but for the future as well, as Rondon and Huff being in the top to middle part of our future rotations, as I think that’s where they will be most valuable long-term.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on May 12, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reading the game recap tonight, here’s another reason why I’m not fond of moving Rondon to the bullpen:

We just signed RHP Blaine Neal and about to sign RHP Luis Vizcaino, both of whom will probably get chances in the Indians’ bullpen, certainly before Rondon will. Now, granted, I’m not expecting Neal and Vizcaino to magically solve the Indians’ bullpen woes (though you’d think luck would turn to our side and one or both would somehow work out, what with the losses of Hafner and Miller, along with some poor luck and results in 2009), but the main point is, these two guys, being ML veterans, will get the opportunity first, and probably an opportunity that will last a few weeks to a month, minimum.

While I can understand you need “back-up” options, what if by chance one of the two works out, and in the meantime, Perez, Lewis, Betancourt, Sipp, and Wood find themselves and make themselves into the consistent unit that we think they can become? Over that amount of time and based on their track records (outside of Sipp, who is a rookie, but a promising one with good stuff), then what? Do we shift Rondon back to the rotation?

I suppose that might not be difficult to do, but I’m just leery of this switching back and forth, especially during the season and especially with one of our most prized arms. After losing Miller (through no particular fault of Indians’ management, as far as we can tell), I’d hate for anything to happen to Rondon or Huff (if he would get shifted to the bullpen, which doesn’t seem to be the case right now) just because we’re trying to salvage a season in where the bullpen is not the only concern, and where one or two new pitchers are not likely to straighten out all of the problems in the bullpen.

Even if Rondon takes to the bullpen, what if the rest of the bullpen doesn’t find themselves and the bullpen is still weak? I think most, if not all of you would agree, that we’d like to see Rondon in the rotation long-term, rather than the bullpen, correct? That is where his greatest value is projected to be, not to mention we do have several reliever prospects (prospects that have actually been relieving for a while now, unlike Rondon – Wagner, Wright, Meloan, Pestano, Rundles, even Newsom, who isn’t much of a prospect, granted, but has more bullpen experience and would be worth a call-up, at least,) coming up through the Minors – they just are a bit too far away and too uncertain to consider bringing them up right now, which is why this sudden shift to the bullpen for Rondon.

As someone else mentioned, this move smells sort of desperation; as I wasn’t fond of Wedge using Sipp in back-to-back games where he reportedly wasn’t supposed to, the Indians seem to be pulling at straws in an attempt to fix the bullpen by converting one of their top starting pitching prospects into a reliever in an attempt to get him to come up to the Majors quicker in a role and routine that he is unfamiliar with. One guy alone will not likely straighten out the bullpen, and as mentioned, the offense (and especially Grady, who is too pull-happy and pulling off the ball way too much) and the rotation (Sowers and Reyes) are contributing as much to our 12-22 record. To me, it just seems a bit too risky when we have other options, particularly Jon Meloan, who is not lighting the world on fire at Columbus, granted, but who has the stuff to dominate as well if the Indians could get him to throw consistent strikes like he did before the Dodgers turned him into a starter. I’m not sure we’re at that point to turn Rondon into a reliever, even in this disappointing season, being that Rondon making a successful transition to the bullpen is not at all guaranteed to fix all that ails the Indians in 2009.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on May 13, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’ve done a good job of summarizing — nay, listing out completely — everything that everyone has ever thought, or will ever think, about why moving Rondon to the bullpen is bad under many, many different scenarios.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 13, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of like people in school who take a highlighter and highlight the entire chapter

by Roger Dorn on May 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We just signed RHP Blaine Neal and about to sign RHP Luis Vizcaino, both of whom will probably get chances in the Indians’ bullpen, certainly before Rondon will.

They’ll fast track him. Barring more outings like last night or bunch of losses by the big club, he will be up within 2 weeks. Maybe sooner. Book it. They didn’t move him just to consider him as a backup option.

by TribeJay on May 13, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

….

Waiting for Rondon.

by Gradyforpresident on May 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you dont have to wait much longer apparently

by I'd give my legs for Wegz on May 12, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Carroll is ok.

by afh4 on May 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Compared to Ramon Vazquez, Carroll was a godsend

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Mike Rouse.

by zempf on May 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Gomez will always have a place in my heart.

by Toxicadam on May 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Gomez more than Rouse. Rouse at least always looked constipated and/or gassy.

[redacted]

by salome on May 12, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, McBride’s been promoted to Akron! So to recap, in terms of importance,

A) Rondon to pen, B) Carroll up, Barfield down………………………………………………………………….C) McBride to Akron

by dgcambridge on May 12, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully, we see McBride get some action in the outfield. It’d be encouraging to see him out there, but also because it’d Mills needs reps at first and keeping the DH spot open for Santana, on his offdays, would be preferred.

by ClarkM on May 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The computer with “THE PLAN” in Shapiro’s office:

by APV on May 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

No wonder the plan isn’t working. This front office should be using flat screen monitors

by Roger Dorn on May 12, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

they fly like frisbees

by Brick. on May 12, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about a panic move. Not that I’m 100% against it, but it’s surprising to say the least.

by Joe. on May 12, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

How so?

With Carroll back, his infield versatility allows Wedge the flexibility to put DeRosa in the OF if need be, which makes Josh Barfield, professional outfielder, a redundancy. Valbuena must rate better as a defender and although I haven’t seen him bat much since the call-up, they must appreciate his approach at the plate.

Sometimes, I just like to b****.

by emd2k3 on May 12, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Donson.

by Brick. on May 12, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I find myself strangely energized by all of these moves. I hate the losing season we’re having, but for some reason everything going on seems exciting.

I don’t even consider that any of these moves will result in more wins.

I also love soap operas and tabloid journalism. (sarc)

by RD74 on May 12, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

WE WILL NOT TAKE 12-21 SITTING DOWN.

by gte619n on May 12, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineups posted for tonite’s minor league games. Rondon was scheduled to start for Akron, but Ryan Edell takes his spot. Very likely that Rondon sees action out of the pen tonite, to establish a shorter rotation for him, like Laffey is going thru now.

McBride in RF for Akron. Not wasting any time.

Both Putnam and Rondon are now in the Akron bullpen, both are righties than throw in the mid-90’s given short innings. Putnam pitched 2 perfect innings in his first and only relief/AA appearance so far, a few days ago.

I would think Eric Berger would be promoted to the Akron rotation soon.

by mcrose on May 12, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Drennen demoted to Kinston to McBride, starting in the K-Tribe OF tonite. That makes three years now in hi-A. Ouch, that last nail hurts.

by mcrose on May 12, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

… to “make way” for McBride. Still, ouch.

by mcrose on May 12, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drennen has been one of the most disappointing prospects in our system – there were high hopes for him based on his youth and skill set (including an advanced knowledge of the strike zone, as I recall from his scouting report when he was drafted). I don’t see much hope for him unless he tears up High-A in his return and gets back to Akron within a few months – even then, I’m not holding my breath.

For McBride, certainly he was handling High-A and needed to move up, based on his age and his performance. Let’s hope he can keep going.

Just my 2 cents.

The "cream of the crop" doesn't always rise to the top.

by indiansfan on May 12, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, oh:

In the fifth, the Aeros’ Carlos Santana left with an undisclosed injury

by FredOx on May 13, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Constantly updated Indians news, lots of in-depth analysis, live in-game discussions — and more fanatical and thoughtful Indians fans than every other web site combined.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Dsc01731_small
Some quick questions for the locals
Etat_small
Eric's 2012 Cleveland Indians Projections...
Its_alive-fstn_small
Oswalt > Carmona/Heredia
Topps1978-332f_small
Indians by the Numbers — #24
Avatard_small
Nickname Seeks Indian — "Country Peach Passion"
Avatard_small
Nickname seeks Indian vote — "Fridge Magnet"
Topps1978-332f_small
Indians by the Numbers — #23
Small
Seriously Go Get Carlos Peña Now
Avatard_small
Indians by the Numbers — #22
Avatard_small
Nickname Seeks Indian: "Fridge Magnet"

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Featured Poll

Poll
Will Matt LaPorta be on the opening day roster?
Yes
59 votes
No
140 votes

199 votes | Poll has closed

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Indians depth chart heading into spring training (from Acta's twitter account)
Cleveland reliever Vinnie Pestano had the highest fastball swinging-strike...
Oakland Out-Winnercurses MLB for Cespedes
Indians Sign Jon Garland
A look back at the last Tribe arbitration hearing
MLB.COM Tribe Top 20
Jared Goedert is Puddin Head Jones
Chisenhall v.  Hannahan
After watching Lindor in the Fall Instructional League, I have very little...
Coming off of an optimistic 80-82 season, is this the Indians window to win?  

See full post on Beyond the Box Score

+ New FanShot All FanShots >


Managers

427px-nap_lajoie_1913_small Ryan

Dosequisman_small Jay

Editors

3444ant_black_small APV

47b8dd28b3127cceb64839d9746800000026102bauwjrq3za_small afh4