Peavy to White Sox
Deal is done, pending Peavy's approval.
Poreda, Richard, 2 PTBNL
8 months ago
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I do sort of admire the way KW refuses to believe that prospects are anything. I have this image of him seeing every offer of good major leaguer for prospects as an absurd bargain. “Him? You’ll give me all that for him? Towers, you MADMAN! Just let me think for a moment.” /sets phone on desk, slams Bud chelada tallboy/ “It’s done.”
by fleerdon on May 21, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want to know where their money is coming from. i have this theory that Hawk has some oil ranch down in texas and just gives truck loads of money to the whitesox so long as they let him still call the games.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too. Especially since I’m not sure many of those prospects have panned out.
by Cols714 on May 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its funny he might be the only Bud Chelada tallboy drinker out there.
Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?
by emd2k3 on May 21, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recently tried one. It wasn’t as bad as I was expecting it to be.
by NickFantana on May 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it won them a WS
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on May 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting … Poreda has been one of the names that surfaced in the last couple days … but Richard too huh?
by FallsTribeFan on May 21, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are these two really THAT impressive?
by Ryan Kelsey on May 21, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of Peavy’s teammates said he believes Peavy respects the White Sox for pursuing a trade for him, but may have reservations about playing for White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, according to the report.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I crazy or are those not the best prospects in the world?
by NickFantana on May 21, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to ask about them. I know very little to nothing about the ChiSox farm system.
I just wanted to believe.
by mjmarble on May 21, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Beckham is included .. it would be the #1, #2 and #3 prospects in the Sox system … per Baseball America.
by FallsTribeFan on May 21, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going by what the White Sox fans are saying, it’s just about every good prospect they have in their farm system.
by Toxicadam on May 21, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Poreda is well thought of but Clayton Richard is not that great. If Beckham is one of the PTBNL’s, my comment is retracted.
by NickFantana on May 21, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckham is rumored to be one of the PTBNL, apparently he can’t be traded for 1 year after being drafted or something, hence the PTBN tag.
Of course, Peavy still has to agree to be traded in the first place.
by ASP on May 21, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the inclusion of the soccer player, that is.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, no way that it’s Beckham. That sounds like Padre-fan rumor to me.
by dgcambridge on May 21, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree only because Ozzie reportedly LOVES Beckham.
But, it would fit the mold of a PTBNL.
by FallsTribeFan on May 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree in that i don’t see where the padres pull the trigger without knowing exactly what they’re getting.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy is earning $11 M this year (that’s an extra $3 M for his Cy Young), and then 12010:$15M, 2011:$16M, 2012:$17M, 2013:$22M club option ($4M buyout).
From Cot’s.
by dgcambridge on May 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gammons says Beckham is NOT part of the deal.
by FallsTribeFan on May 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Rondon will be better than Peavy by next year anyway. Right? Please?
by dgcambridge on May 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were Beckham, Poreda, and Richard with another PTBNL,I would be jealous of the Padres.
Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?
by emd2k3 on May 21, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and laugh at the White Sox.
FE WEE
by westbrook on May 21, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should get used to this news, the ChiSox will have a bunch of money coming off the books the next few years.
by Toxicadam on May 21, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so, i work with a number of whitesox fans. this is already unbearable. you all should have to see the ridiculous grins on all their faces. on top of that, most of my in-laws are whitesox fans.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
while he’s still good, he’s not nearly as good as he is when he’s pitching in the best pitcher’s park in baseball. 4.6 ERA with the Chi Sox, book it!
by ASP on May 21, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it possible to remove the term “book it” from use on this site. It reaks of cleveland.com. Personal pet peave of mine, no offense ASP.
by hans on May 21, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could be worse. My in-laws are Steelers fans.
by woodsmeister on May 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sucks.
I just wanted to believe.
by mjmarble on May 21, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox are last in the AL in runs scored; I’m not sure KW is addressing the right need here.
Then again, misunderstimate KW at your own peril.
by mrich on May 21, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I respect him for running a team like I do my fantasy team.
And I think I am actually being sincere.
by Pronktastic on May 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade our team for their World Series, I think. Though that might be the disillusioned Cleveland fan in me.
Just win, baby.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on May 21, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing is that Peavy’s signed for 3 or 4 more years, so this isn’t just a short-term win now sort of thing. With all the money they’ve got coming off the books after this year & the young talent they have, this seems as much a move for the future as it is for today.
*sigh*
by zempf on May 21, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your signature is really very appropriate for this comment.
by NickFantana on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As negative as I feel about everything lately, I figured it was appropriate for pretty much anything I say.
*sigh*
by zempf on May 21, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cleveland.com patrons are gonna have a field day with this.
by MikeCP on May 21, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CHAMPIONSHIP!
Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?
by emd2k3 on May 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Peavy, how am I supposed to root for him now?
The # of wins needed to win this division just went up by a couple.
FE WEE
by westbrook on May 21, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ya know, upon further examination, the Sox are about 2 games further out of first than I thought they were. This trade could actually help us if he beats up on the Royals and Tigers while not being awesome against us. Although, I don’t want to see his K total against us. Yikes.
FE WEE
by westbrook on May 21, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah. Dead to me.
--
Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on May 21, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lofgren has given up 1 home run in 34 innings. He has yet to surrender a hit to a left-handed batter.
Weglarz! has an OPS of 1200 through 56 ABs in May.
My new favorite baseball team is the Akron Aeros.
by fleerdon on May 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeanmar Gomez would like a word with you.
by FredOx on May 21, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to figure out how to pronounce Jeanmar. I am going to assume it’s like any other Spanish pronunciation.
Hay-on-mar
by Roger Dorn on May 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, otherwise it would be spelled Jheanmar.
by fleerdon on May 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s pitching right now, and audio is available free. Can’t someone get on and figure this out?
by dgcambridge on May 21, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to Trenton announcer, “yahn-mar”
by cleveland teamer on May 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way … he’s perfect through 8.
by FallsTribeFan on May 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With 8 strikeouts. ERA now 0.32. Working on a 26 inning scoreless streak.
by FredOx on May 21, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dorn’s got it right then. It’s just HEY-ahn-mar sped up.
Ridiculous to me that announcers can’t learn Spanish pronunciation. The language is phonetic for cryin out loud.
by fleerdon on May 21, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Latest now is Poreda, Richard and two more pitchers.
by FallsTribeFan on May 21, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
even though Peavy won’t put up the same huge numbers in the AL, the Padres get fleeced in the proposed trade. To put it bluntly and harshly, Poreda is a lefty that throws hard, but Richard sucks, Getz sucks, Lillbridge sucks.
by ASP on May 21, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nobody could possibly want to acquire Lillibridge, right?
FE WEE
by westbrook on May 21, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Latest is that the trade is done, and now it’s up to Peavy to waive his no-trade clause.
by Ryan on May 21, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy, I hope he turns this deal down.
by NickFantana on May 21, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agent Barry Axelrod told ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick that Peavy has a "strong preference’’ to stay in the National League. That preference, along with Peavy’s fondness for his new home in Southern California, could be impediments to a proposed deal that would send the pitcher to Chicago.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“If I had to make a bet on it, I would guess that Jake would say he’s not ready to take that step today,‘’ Axelrod said. "But he wouldn’t necessarily preclude it at any time in the future.
by Brick. on May 21, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Translated: Of course we’ll do the deal if Chicago throws a bushel of money at us this week.
by odradek on May 21, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy does not scare me. I wouldn’t mind Chicago spending huge dollars on him over the next four years. His numbers are really skewed by PETCO. In the AL, he’s a Javy Vazquez, not an ace.
The guy I want, and the guy who I don’t think is available, is Dan Haren.
by xrickx on May 21, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy against the AL: 8-8, 3.29 ERA, 120 IP, 113/33 K/BB
Javier Vazquez in the AL: 54-46, 4.52 ERA, 826 IP, 747/227 BB
So, um, no.
by Voltaire on May 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re comparing 120IP to 826IP?
And some of your “against the AL” includes interleague play in an NL park (PETCO), so it still is skewed.
Look at Peavy’s line away from PETCO over the last three years:
Home: 341IP, 273H, 21HR, 2.72ERA
Away: 258IP, 229H, 32HR, 3.73ERA
In the AL, he’ll still log his innings, he’ll still get his strikeouts, but he’s not going to dominate.
by xrickx on May 21, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those away numbers aren’t exactly terrible
by Roger Dorn on May 21, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but instead of playing home games in an extreme pitcher’s park, he plays half his games in a near extreme hitters park. Plus, the AL/NL thing cannot be stressed enough.
by Ryan Kelsey on May 21, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But as far as the White Sox are concerned its who he is replacing in the rotation that matters. Sure his numbers aren’t going to look as good as they did in Petco, but nobody’s numbers would look that good. Peavy has 28 PRC to Jose Contreras’ 6 thus far this season.
by hans on May 22, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a bad comparison. Vazquez was a very credible talent before coming to the AL, and he’s been ok since. Peavy will be okay too, but he’s not quite the unstopable force you’re making him out to be.
For the time being he’s still a Padre.
by jhon on May 21, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess no one is ever really good enough to play in the AL.
Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?
by emd2k3 on May 21, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really have a hard time figuring out these days which team I dislike the most; Minnesota, Chicago, or Detroit
by APV on May 21, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m so ambivalent this year that I can’t bring myself to hate any of them
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on May 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m willing to include Kansas City
by Roger Dorn on May 21, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use up all of my hatred on the Yankees … I have none left for those other teams.
I also suppose that older fans (those who were Indians fans before the current division alignment) aren’t readily reminded of rivalries with 3 old AL West teams, which only leaves Detroit as an older foe. But most of that time, the Indians were so bad in the AL East that there was really no point in hating other teams.
I’ll add that I consider Detroit, KC, and Minnesota to also be small market teams, and thus less likely to dominate for any considerable period of time due to the financial constructs of the game. I guess I don’t see them as the same evil threat as New York.
The White Sox always feel like an also-ran to the Cubs in Chicago, even though they’ve had generally more ‘success’ that their crosstown neighbors.
Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?
by emd2k3 on May 21, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yahoo! reports that Peavy blocked it. *snicker
419 days until the USS Choo is deployed to fight Communism.
by USSChoo on May 21, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…and there was much joy and celebration in the streets of Cleveland. Drifters used public pay phones to call each other and share in the jubilation!
by ShawnK on May 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams builds his team in the manner of a blogger (maybe even a link-aggregator) trained by Baseball America.
by jhon on May 21, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And wins WS
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on May 21, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago White Sox world series championships: 2005 • 1917 • 1906
AL Pennants: 1900 • 1901 • 1906 • 1917 • 1919* • 1959 • 2005
Cleveland Indians: 1948 • 1920
AL Pennants: 1920 • 1948 • 1954 • 1995 • 1997
Take out 2005, and these teams are quite similar in their postseason futility.
Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?
by emd2k3 on May 21, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, I never realized that
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on May 21, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly though, Chicago has many more great bars in which one can contemplate this futility. That’s why we need a WS championship and more bars, both.
by MTF on May 22, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, bars are bars. If you find a couple you like, why do you need 1000’s of them? While I certainly like some cities better than others, I find you can do most anything you’d want to do in any reasonably sized American city.
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on May 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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