I would say both of them are ugly. I haven’t seen the other teams’ versions, but I imagine most of their stars and stripes version are ugly too. It’s a preposterous idea.

I actually kinda like them. At least they go with our color scheme. Can’t imagine how awful these will look with like, the Rockies.

You know, the feather is an interesting compromise …

For what it’s worth, I’ve never been terribly bothered by Wahoo …

But, I will say this … if the Indians suddenly announced the weekend alternate unis were going to be the full-time home unis … minus Wahoo on the sleeve … I’d be all for it.

Those weekend unis are the best the team has worn in a long time … and among the classiest in the majors.

I remember this suggestion, actually. I love it from a practical standpoint. The problem is that using a feather is resorting to caricature, too.

A lot of people will still be upset, and perhaps rightfully so, as long as the team’s name remains “Indians.” Chief Wahoo is the most egregious insult, but not the only one. Still, if they did this, I’d be thrilled.

I really do like this idea

I always thought the script “I” was designed to look a bit like a feather….

As I posted last year in Turk’s thread, I would really like them to lose the Chief. Everything else I’m ok with. I’ve moved to exclusively non-Wahoo Indians gear.

I think that giant one is in the Western Reserve Historical Society building lobby.

I knew you’d seize the moment in a thread about Unis.

Really? Almost any mall store that deals in hats only has plenty of ‘Script I’ hats.

I just get a really nice fitted one for my birthday. Red script I with silver highlighting. It’s really grown on me as my preferred logo.

mlb.com has a variety of non-wahoo items as well.

Akron, Kinston, Columbus, and Lake County. I wear my grubby LCC hat everywhere.

This is a myth that the team has consciously perpetuated. But it’s a ridiculous statement, akin to saying the Detroit team selected tigers to represent themselves as an honor to tigers. I’m sure the tigers are very grateful for the honor, because I never hear them protest.

There’s an overview of roughly how the naming went down in this 1998 article from Sociology of Sport Journal: An Act of Honor or Exploitation? by Ellen Staurowski

It’s a long and fairly unrewarding read, so scroll about 1/3 of the way down to the section called “Invisible and Unheard Referents – The Case of the Cleveland Indians.”

The club is making an effort to minimize, reduce, etc. But I also applaud them for not announcing these changes either. They are doing it slowly and quietly. A public announcement would just start another firestorm.

I agree completely. At some point, they are going to have announce a complete phaseout—assuming that’s their plan, which I believe it is—and the slow introduction of the various alternates and the retro jerseys will make it more acceptable to the fans. We’ve been under attack for so long about it that people have become uber-sensitive about it.

The block C is kind of a big deal. It dates back to the start of the franchise — like, the 1900-ish start of the franchise. And as far as I can tell, it’s unique among big-league clubs. I wish they’d outline in white or silver, though. It’s a little anemic looking red-on-blue.

I was not at spring training, but I recall somebody mentioning that the script I is the more prominent logo along with the Indians name logo. I’d be curious to find out if the chief shows up anywhere at all.

I could find no permanent Wahoo logos anywhere. Every logo built into the structures (buildings, scoreboards, signs) was the Script I. The Reds logo is everywhere, too, and the Script I is always present as its equivalent

Wahoo was in evidence everywhere, mainly on items for sale. One shop even had a bobblehead of the original, more offensive Wahoo. The Chief also appeared regularly on the large video screen. But it seems obvious that the complex itself is Wahoo-free.

this for me. when they get rid of it, so will i.

I wear whatever is on clearance.

I actually have one of those ugly 2007 Central Division Championship lids on today. 3.99 at Dick’s.

I stopped wearing hats once my high school baseball career ended, because I am terrified of losing my hair. I stick mainly to t-shirts and jerseys now

Yeah… sorry for bringing this up in the first place

I’m fine with ending the discussion, but I think some of the material in this thread — namely discussions regarding merchandise and the decor in Goodyear — is just as relevant to baseball as the sale of the naming rights to a ballpark or a change in ticket pricing. These things say something about how the team is run and how the front office plans for the future, and they certainly impact revenue and public relations.

That said… everything I have posted in this thread has been 100% about politics. My bad. It’s hard to avoid it coming up when we all support a baseball team whose logo can’t really even be discussed apolitically.

At least we didn’t get into why the stars and stripes hats are so distasteful, right?