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A discussion arose during the rain delay today - are there more Indians fans who are fans of the Browns or fans of some team other than the Browns?  It started as many things do as an insult the Steelers moment.  One would think that most, but certainly not all, Tribe fans have some connection, physical or emotional, to NE Ohio, but who knows?  So vote.  Better than listening to WTAM's stupid rain delay coverage.

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Pick your favorite football team.
Browns
125 votes
Someone Else
38 votes
What is this "football" you speak of?
33 votes

196 votes | Poll has closed

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Brady practiced today!!

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 28, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MANGENIUSSSSSS

by Roger Dorn on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

/sarcasm?

by danvail on May 28, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I’m always overly optimistic

by Roger Dorn on May 28, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i fall under ‘casual football fan’ at best. when watching, i hedge by bets by backing both the bears and browns pretty equally.

by Brick. on May 28, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When I first started getting into football more than just casually, I bought Madden 2001 and started a Bears franchise because I didn’t want to seem like a Cleveland homer. Since then I developed a healthy like of the Bears for any neutral game. I’ve since started to dislike them a little ever since White Sox and Cubs fans became intolerable, but I was wondering if anyone else started to root for a team because of Madden. I know my friend is becoming a Vikings fan right now because of familiarity with the team.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 28, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I root for the Canucks because of NHL ’95. Bure is still on that team, right?

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 28, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got pulled into the Avs here. But just a bit, it’s still hockey.

by dgcambridge on May 29, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure about bure, but linden has got to be the captain still, no?

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am the most-hated of all turncoats: The ex-Browns fan become Broncos fan.

Reason? An eight year old has to have something in common with his father … right?

Although I admit the carrying on of a certain young, hotshot coach and franchise in the past several months lends me to question my affiliation. Those Houston Texans look promising.

My wife is a die-hard Steelers fan from a long line of Steelers fans. I don’t actively root for them, but I must say I am very impressed with their player develop system.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*development. The ‘ment’ disappeared into the ether.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Browns fan by blood, Giants fan by choice

Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.

by Turkmenbashi on May 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Vikings.

Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute

by mjschaefer on May 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant to bring this up during the game thread but didn’t: another interesting point may be that die hard Indians fans (the type, perhaps, who would be more likely to read and vote on Indians blogs) could be more likely to be Browns’ fans. I’m not sure exactly why this is, probably because it’s less likely/harder to be a die hard fan of a team if you don’t live in the same city, but that could weaken the significance of these results.

by jakesinger777 on May 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree — it seems like there are quite a few people on this blog who aren’t from Ohio but picked up the Indians for other reasons so they’re not fans of other Cleveland/Ohio State teams. Also, many people here are diehard baseball fans which means they don’t care or don’t have time for other sports. I know many people here have said they never watch football or basketball, so I think this kind of site will get more baseball-obsessed people than a regular fan.

Just my thoughts, not sure if they’re accurate.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe they are accurate. There is an interesting assortment of stories about how the people here became Tribe fans.

by APV on May 28, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While that is true, I still think the great majority of folks here are NE Ohio natives or spent their formative years there, nearly all of whom would be Indians/Browns/Cavs fans. A significant minority never lived there but picked it up from their dads, and a fair number of those would also be Browns fans, too. This is in no way to disrespect or disregard other Indians fans, but that’s my sense of the numbers.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then there a small number of us that chose our favorite pro sports teams strictly on the basis of childhood whimsy. Case in point, me.

Favorite pro teams (in order):
Indians (MLB)
Bruins (NHL)
Brewers (MLB)
Liverpool (Premier)
Packers (NFL)
Titans (NFL)
Predators (NHL)
Hurricanes (NHL)
I don’t follow the NBA at all.

Not much of a pattern there to speak of, or at least not one that I’m aware of.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t follow the NBA at all.

Oh, so you’re a Lakers fan.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who are the Lakers?

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minneapolis

by SuddenSam on May 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest, I’m pretty staunchly anti-Kobe.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re a Brewers fan? Erik, I like you more all the time.

by fleerdon on May 29, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted for “Someone Else” because I am a casual football fan at best and enjoy watching good football – as a result, I’ve been known to root for the Steelers.

by Voltaire on May 28, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fail. Evan I don’t root for the Steelers.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Does raise the question, though … why did you start rooting for the Indians. You seem to have “fallen for” the team, hard, and I’m curious as to how that came about.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 2007 squad was extremely likable. Many folks here would say that that was their favorite Indians team ever.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I’m there too.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, this.

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 29, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so, too, in much the same way as 1980 is my favorite Browns team.

by SuddenSam on May 29, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i very much enjoyed that ‘07 team, but mine would still have to be the ’95 squad. junior in high school on the east side, thrilled to have baseball back, a totally dominant team, went to like 30 or 40 regular season games, and actually got to 4 (traveled to ATL for game 2) of the world series games. unlike any other season for any other team i’ve ever been a fan of. there’s not a close second.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TONY PENA!

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m here

by APV on May 30, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Waiting for Rondon.

by Gradyforpresident on May 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I love you, but don’t tell my fiance.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why did this story make you declare you love for me?

Moses Cleaveland, the guy who invented Cleveland

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He posted after noon, he’s probably drunk.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

had to interview 4 people for our secretary job today and i’m no HR person. if there was any day to drink before noon, today was it.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 29, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the pure randomness of it all combined with the hatred of the Yankees.

but i’m over you know… it wasn’t meant to be.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 29, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay. I’ll be sure not to tell your fiance about your brief infidelity.

Moses Cleaveland, the guy who invented Cleveland

by ClemsonGirl on May 30, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, it’s a sport to which I can say “Sports is irrational. There is no reason I must pick a team based on my area of resident. Plus I don’t want to pick a team anyway.”

by Voltaire on May 29, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was born with the full NE Ohio affliction of Tribe, Browns, Cavs and the Buckeyes. As I live on the West Coast now, I can only hope my kids will root for them as well, but will totally understand if they pick something more local (I will still push though).

As for my number 2 NFL team, I started to follow the Buccaneers during the Browns hiatus. In baseball, #2 would be the Astros as they were the Dodgers competition when I grew up there. In basketball, never had a #2, but will be pulling for the Blazers now that I am settled into the Northwest, not to mention Oden is there too.

by talonk on May 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Same here, I grew up with the NE Ohio quadruple of Indians, Browns, Cavs, and Buckeyes. It always amuses me when I hear people on this blog make deragatory comments about Browns fans or Buckeyes fans because everyone was a fan of all four teams where I grew up (Norwalk) so to me there is no difference between fans of those teams.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto, where I come from (Ashland), It’s pretty much all or nothing, with some Steelers and Wolverine fans scattered in just to act different.

"I gotta be honest, I dunno much about the climate in Japan." - Matt Underwood

by USSChoo on May 28, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got the Browns and Indians from my dad and we kind of grew into the Cavs together. (We both prefer NCAA ball). The Buckeyes are far from a sure thing in my family though. Because of that I tend to associate the Browns and Indians almost inextricably and see the Buckeyes and Cavs as teams with the potential for different fanbases.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But don’t you wish, just a little bit that you were a Steelers fan?

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

front running is easy

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it was so easy being a Steelers fan in Ohio in the late 1980s. That was fun getting killed 51-0. It was just great being the only Steelers fan on my block and in my family.

Of course, it actually is great now…

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not calling out you in particular. Some fans have legitimate reasons to be both a Tribe and Steelers fan. To ask us if we wished we were Steelers fans though…..I would say every time that it’s easy to frontrun, and if anyone switched allegiances because the current Browns suck, they would be doing exactly that

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I’m just piling on Brad, we’ve gone back and forth over this for 10 years now. I would never expect anyone to change their allegiance. That’s just weird. Part of being a fan is to live through the dark days so that when you do win, it’s that much better.

It just sucks for Browns fans that all of the days since 1990 or so have been pretty dark.

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or my entire existence as a Browns fan

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boo. Fn. Hoo.

“We had half a bad decade.”

/crawls into bottle

by danvail on May 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that wouldn’t be any fun, now, would it?

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i often wonder how my cleveland fandom will survive having kids (which i don’t yet) if i don’t end up back in cleveland (don’t live there now). my dad’s not a cleveland guy, but when i was growing up he essentially adopted the cleveland teams as i became a fan…going to games and rooting for the tribe/cavs/browns w/ dad and bro really sticks out in my childhood memories. will i become a nuggets, rockies, broncos (no way) fan if my kids grow up in, say, denver? hard to imagine, as much as i love these cleveland teams still.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It kills my brother-in-law that he inadvertently raised three Red Sox fans while living in suburban Boston. My sister, however, is a complete traitor—she even went so far as to wear a Red Sox visor to the Jake.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on May 30, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, this is exactly what i was thinking, too. my dad – a chicago fan through and through – completely supported my decision to root for all the local cleveland teams and my memories of cheering the ’97 tribe, for example, with him also really stick out.

by macasson on Jun 8, 2009 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least you still root for the “Browns”

I don’t like when people pile on teams for not doing well, but then hop back on when they start winning (still waiting)

by Roger Dorn on May 28, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This should get rec’d like crazy.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It kinda sucks, but I never lived in Cleveland until after the Browns moved to Baltimore. The current incarnation is the only football attachment I have

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is basically where I stand. Most of my time in Cleveland was when the Browns were away. When the new franchise came around, it became somewhat difficult to get tickets because of the PSLs, high prices, and popularity of the new franchise. Or at least I remember it that way. Cavs tickets were very much available during that time, and I could get Indians tickets, even though they were very good and very popular.

I also don’t really like pro football. Dieahrd pro football fans I’ve observed (Browns, Lions, Chargers, and varied transplants) are a different breed than fans of other sports. I can’t put my finger on it, and I consider myself a really big college football fan. The fans, and the game, are just different, and I prefer college.

by SanD on May 29, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a fan of all things Cleveland. Indians, Cavs, and Browns, in that order. Cleveland State, the Force (Darth Vader at halftime was AWESOME), the Crunch, if you’re wearing Cleveland on your chest, I’m throwing some love your way.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 28, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This is me. Different order, and more ohio-centric than cleveland-centric, but agree with the anything Cleveland is great by me:
- Indians
- Browns
- Buckeye Football
- Dayton Flyer Basketball
- Cavs

by Ryan Kelsey on May 28, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No mud wrestling?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do enjoy other sports, especially Italian soccer, but also golf, mma, mud wrestling, etc.

But when any of those teams I listed lose I feel like I was punched in the gut. And when the loss ends the season, I have been known to break things, cry, yell, and punch stuff.. but mostly drink… and cry.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flyers, baby. The A-14 is ours next year.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No chance.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m the same way. I’d put the Indians before the Browns and then Chelsea and Xavier before the Cavs. That said, if it’s Cleveland, I’m in.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a humongous fan of the late 80’s Force with the likes of Benny Dargle, Ali Kazemani, Peter Ward, etc. Remember the Darth Vader stuff like it was yesterday. For some odd reason, when the Cavaliers went down 3-1, I immediately thought of the Force/Sidekicks series in 88 I think when we split at home and couldn’t win in Dallas.

by cheech99 on May 29, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s safe to say that 99% of the people watching the Cavs series have not thought about the Force even once and could not name a single Force player.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t doubt it. I always linked the two teams in my mind due to the fact that they were both at the Richfield Coliseum in my formative years.

by cheech99 on May 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How could you leave out Kai Haaskivi?

I have to say, I loved the MISL. My friend caught a Tatu jersey one game, I was so incredibly jealous. I really hated the fat guy who played for Baltimore.

by millionairesrow on May 29, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah… who was that bigger guy who played for Baltimore? Haaskivi was great I just identified with the other guys a bit more. Wasn’t there another one-named soccer player Preki for Tacoma? Preki? I remember hating Paul Child on the Pittsburgh Spirit and being fascinated by the name Juli Veee on the San Diego Sockers

by cheech99 on May 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to look it up, it’s Stan Stamenkovic

http://www.myspace.com/stanstamenkovic

And yeah, Preki was the other big scorer.

by millionairesrow on May 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got a phone call from Kai a few years back—he even spelled his name out on the message. I was pretty sure it was one of my high-school buddies playing a prank. It wasn’t. Kai is a great guy and was still living in the area as of a couple years ago.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on May 29, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the players is a youth instructor for the club I play for in Akron. For the life of me though, I cannot remember his name. He was a keeper.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pj johns? that guy was my hero…my mom still has a poster-sized picture of me and pj at the force soccer camp from when i was like 8

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That actually could be it. All I know is that it would take every little bit I had to ever beat him.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 31, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hated the fat guy who played for Baltimore.

Tony Siragusa?

by odradek on May 30, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boog Powell?

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 30, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sidney Ponson?

by SuddenSam on May 31, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really like football, but I don’t like the NFL that much. I also hate the current incarnation of the Browns so I don’t know if I’m much of a Browns fan, but if I were to root for a team in the NFL, it would be the Browns.

by ClarkM on May 28, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I grew up a Dallas fan (during the Danny White years, don’t call me a bandwagoner!). Once Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson and become a total megalomaniac, I fell out of love with the Cowboys (and the NFL as well) .

I tried to get into the new franchise, but with the horrible personnel picks (Couch over McNabb), poor management in charge and the sterile, lifeless stadium (went to 5 games) .. it just never clicked with me.

That being said, I was willing to give Mangini a chance, but after passing up Sanchez in favor of Quinn (who is horribly average), this team will be mired in muck for quite some time.

by Toxicadam on May 28, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to get in a football discussion here, but I heartily disagree with that assessment. Quinn hasn’t had a chance to play in the NFL yet so I don’t know how you can say he’s average (and he certainly accomplished much more in college than Sanchez — Quinn took a ND team with almost no talent besides him to BCS games while Sanchez played on year on a team loaded with future NFL players). I think the Browns made a great trade to get more players for the No. 5 pick; they certainly didn’t need another QB.

by Buckeye Brad on May 28, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess time will tell.

by Toxicadam on May 28, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude, didn’t sanchez start like just 16 games in college? picking him at #5 would have been horrible.

by Cap'n Snegiryov on May 29, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the number of college starts determines your worth as a QB?

How’s Nate Hybl doing?

by Toxicadam on May 29, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Football Outsiders determined that the two greatest correlations between college stats and the pro game is Games Started and Completion Percentage. That being said, the formula only “works” for first or second round prospects, ruling out your boy Hybl.

by NickFantana on May 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a former brown and awesome golfer.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll go ahead and disagree also. We had a tough expansion era, and haven’t experienced any sustained success. I’ll give you a pass on that part. Sanchez IS Quinn with less experience, equal arm, and less, well ability. That’s just silly.

And to call the stadium lifeless? That’s a load too. It might not have the character of the old stadium, but it still provides one of THE best experiences in the NFL. Go to a Bengals game (even in their good year), a Dolphins game, a Rams game, or about 25 other cities and Cleveland Browns Stadium looks great.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have only been to one two other stadiums (Pittsburgh and Green Bay). So, I guess I will have to take your word for it about the others. It’s a sad state of the NFL if the Browns stadium is one of the best experiences in the NFL.

Like I said to Brad, time will tell about Quinn. Pretty quickly I would imagine. I feel he will lose his job to Derek Anderson before the season is over.

by Toxicadam on May 28, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel he will lose his job to Derek Anderson before the season is over.

I don’t see any way this is possible, barring an injury. DA proved last year that he’s not a starting NFL quarterback. From watching both players last year, you can just tell that Brady has “it” and DA doesn’t.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From watching both players last year, you can just tell that Brady has "it" and DA doesn’t.

That’s opinion, not fact.

Just trying to tie in all three Cleveland SBN blogs.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. when Brad was talking about “it”, he was referring to the ability to throw 3-7 yard passes with relative accuracy. Quinn has “it” in spades.

Now, being able to thread a needle and make a 20 yard pass when you are 3rd and 17? That’s another story …

by Toxicadam on May 29, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quinn has shown the ability to make 20-yard throws. Of course he doesn’t have the arm that DA has, but it takes more than a strong arm to play QB in the NFL. Just ask Jeff George and Ryan Leaf.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, good try, but I never stated it was a “fact”. That statement is cleary my opinion. Thanks for paying attention, though.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just reread this comment and realized that last sentence could be taken as being an a-hole. I didn’t intend it that way, I was just trying to make a humerous comment (as in, paying attention to my comments at FTS). Wanted to make sure you knew that, non-Columbus Brad.

by Buckeye Brad on May 30, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think you are right about the NFL. Turns out, you probably went to the two gameday experiences (Pitt and GB) that would trump Cleveland. But all-in-all, the NFL is a bad game to watch in person. The timeouts and pace of the game is built for TV. Nothing like 22 players standing on the field staring at the ground and 70,000 fans, waiting for some CBS douche with orange gloves say that they can start playing their game again.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(slow clap, rudy style…)

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This. I know all pro sports to some extent yield to TV at the expense of the fans attending the game, but watching an NFL game in person is awful.

by Ryan on May 30, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

College football, on the other hand, is absolutely fanstastic to watch in person. I don’t think many sporting events can compare to being at a Buckeyes game; it’s amaing to be in a stadium with over 100,000 people where every person is screaming and cheering. As much as I love the Indians, my experiences at baseball games in person just don’t compare to that (with the exception of the ‘07 playoff games I attended). And I’ve been to games at many other college stadiums and the environment has been like that everywhere (although not always on that large of a scale, of course). NFL games have too much of a corporate feel, even at a place with die-hard fans like Cleveland.

by Buckeye Brad on May 30, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rams’ games are a joke, but I have a blast pretending to be a die-hard Rams fan. Tickets are way cheap.

by ClarkM on May 28, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha Rams games. Does anyone go anymore? Because you can’t watch them on TV in St. Louis.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to a Rams game two years ago — to watch the Browns. I was amazed at how many other Browns fans were at the game, they seemed to be all over the streets when we were walking back to our hotel after the game.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s ridiculous. People here say they are rams fans when they clearly are not. At least I don’t lie. If I’m going to watch football it needs to be Colts or Bears or Giants. I like the Mannings.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Rick?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually do like him too. I am aware I am in a minority there. But i think he is a smart baseball guy and only comes off as arrogant because Matt Underwood is not very good. He makes me laugh though. We could be losing by 20 and he could make me laugh for the entire game.

Moses Cleaveland, the guy who invented Cleveland

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Blues have a bigger following in St. Louis than the Rams. At least that’s what I’ve gathered.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my impression, although the Cards trump both by an immense margin. I knew more people who were big Illini fans than I did Rams fans.

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know. probably but I am not a hockey person so I wouldn’t be the best person to ask. Really it’s a baseball city. There are people who hate sports but love the Cardinals. i am fairly positive some of them don’t think baseball is a sport so they think they are allowed to like it and still claim to hate sports.

Moses Cleaveland, the guy who invented Cleveland

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, St. Louis is a baseball town.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they love to remind you of that. kinda makes you gag after a day or two of being there.

by Brick. on May 29, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to root for any team that moved away from Cleveland.

by SuddenSam on May 29, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez has a MUCH better arm than Quinn. He’ll be the better QB, too. It just isn’t worth drafting him when you have a decent QB already. It’d be like trading for Mauer when you have McCann.

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 29, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t get this. His arm looks the same in college. It was rated pretty average by the scouts. He played for a great team and put up ok numbers. He looks like a right-handed, less accomplished Matt Leinert to me.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Browns fans, or Clevelanders, annoy me. In July of a contending year, if the Indians sweep a series against a key opponent, the lead story will be who got the most reps at first string QB at the Browns’ camp. Last September, I went to a friend’s house to watch the Browns “play” against Baltimore and listened to the Indians game vs. Detroit on the way there. I believe that day they raised their record to .500 or one game over, which I thought a pretty big deal given how disappointing the season had been. I arrived at my friend’s house well before the game started and everyone was watching an NFL game they didn’t even care about. I mentioned the Indians game (at this point in the late innings), and got the response, “oh, they’re playing today?” Experiences like that make me resent the Cleveland fixation on football and the Browns, even though I want to like them and the resentment is thoroughly irrational.

by jds16 on May 28, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yup, welcome to Ohio.

by Ryan Kelsey on May 28, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not just pro football, obviously with Ohio St. I knew a lot of people that cared way more about high school football than the Indians

by Roger Dorn on May 28, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I resent it too, but I’m still a Browns fan.

In 2007, I wore my Tribe jersey tailgating close to the clinch and every time somebody tried to talk baseball I immediately realized that they weren’t really familiar with the baseball club. It started to really bother me, but then I realized that these same people couldn’t really hold a conversation about football either. Football is a very casual sport to follow (only 16 games to watch.) Most of the legion of Cleveland Browns fans are in it for the release and social aspect, hence the surprising turnout for a (lately) terrible team. I’m OK with it and realize that football culture is completely different (as is NBA.) I support my Cleveland teams, but can’t completely identify with NFL or NBA culture.

No, not you. Your helmet!

by PatBordersHelmet on May 29, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a lot tougher to pass as a baseball fan without being pretty heavily into it.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly, this is a big reason why i found LGT. i hadn’t lived in cleveland for about 10 years, didn’t pay close enough attention to the tribe, but still claimed them big time. got schooled by a couple of friends on the minor league system, and realized i needed to step my game up. THANKS LGT!

/end infomercial

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I attend Case, am regularly in the heart of Cleveland, and this is usually the standard reaction (with a few memorable and random exceptions of having fun conversations with some of Chuck’s buddies)

by Voltaire on May 29, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My freshman year at Case, I had a suitemate who was a huge Phillies fan and helped me develop my love of baseball as we watched the Phillies lose the World Series. Also that year, a writer for The Observer interviewed Jim Thome, who stated that he hoped to stick in the big leagues. Browns talk was either minimal or forgettable. Probably the latter.

by jds16 on May 29, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Lucky. The Observer is now all Browns, no Indians as far as pro sports coverage goes.

by Voltaire on May 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like the Browns

I don’t like the Cavs

I don’t like Ohio State

But I LOVE the Indians.

To be fair I have absolute no connection to NE Ohio nor have I ever been there.

by world dictator on May 29, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that would certainly explain it, then. I would call you an “outlier” (no offense).

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess this is a bad time to mention I don’t care for beer and I root for Michigan?

by world dictator on May 29, 2009 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a beer drinker either. I’d say it was why I left NE OH, but it seems to be rather annoyingly ubiquitous everywhere in the world.

I’d keep mum on the Michigan thing though.

I just wanted to believe.

by mjmarble on May 29, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify – I’m a Buckeye’s fan, not a Michigan fan.

I just wanted to believe.

by mjmarble on May 29, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care for beer either and I already got lectured.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There a plenty of non-beer drinkers here. We get made fun of a lot though. I’m the banner waver for non-beer drinkers. Jay gives me crap about my hard lemonades all the time. Get used to that.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay for hard lemonade!

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like hard lemonade.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My whole world has been turned upside down.

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He even drank one with me in Baltimore. His choice.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck might object to that, but I thought you looked great in a skirt.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn’t that complicated. It’s not like having a beer. It’s like having a lemonade, and then — hey, booze!

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That’s totally the point, I prefer to hide my booze in drinks that I like. Bring on the Long Island Ice Tea.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a Cape Cod.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a Bay Breeze.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring on the Long Island Ice Tea

yummy

by APV on May 29, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes, sure. But more often, it’s great to have a beer or four.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

opening fat tire #2 at the moment…

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the hangovers are terrible.

Waiting for Rondon.

by Gradyforpresident on May 30, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An Old Fashioned has a lemon peel in it. I’m starting to get into those on summer evenings.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has a sugar cube in it too, though, and that’s just wrong. The only thing one should add to bourbon is a glass. I suspect, however, that I may be the only one here ever to have had an Old Fashioned at the Pendennis Club (where the drink was supposedly created).

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you like an Old Fashioned, what about a Sazerac?

by NickFantana on May 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try a sidecar.

The ones with Cointreau are better than Triple Sec.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I need to start drinking those. Don Draper is the man

by SanD on May 29, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t, unless you’re at a proper cocktail joint. They’ll just squirt Pepsi-flavored sour mix from the soda gun in with rotgut whiskey and be like, ta-da.

Slicing lemons and boiling up some simple syrup for cocktails at home is a pain, but it’s for the best if you want to know what the drinks are supposed to taste like.

by fleerdon on May 29, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Soda in an Old Fashioned is lame.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t stop liking beer so much as beer stopped liking me. I choose not to elaborate.

by fleerdon on May 29, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for you.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rooting for Michigan is not allowed. FLAG.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sad face

by APV on May 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that’s fine. I’ll stick to the vehemently rooting against OSU. For the rivalry game, I go out and rake leaves.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Iowa?

Waiting for Rondon.

by Gradyforpresident on May 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Similar:
Don’t like the Browns.
REALLY don’t like Ohio Sate.
Like the Cavs, I guess. I am a new basketball fan and I picked them and the Bulls.
ADORE the Indians.

No connection with NE Ohio.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no memory of the Cavs-Bulls playoff matchups with Jordon, Price, et al., do you. I mean, you may have seen replays of “The Shot” but not seen it at the time, right? Because, even if you’re a new fan, I don’t see how you could root for both if you’d seen that. Heck, I’m not even a NBA fan and I still mildly rejoice every time I see the Bulls lose on the Sportscenter ticker – no matter regular season, preseason or playoffs. And how long ago was it that Jordon, Pippen, and Jackson all retired/left Chicago?

I just don’t get the NBA. I’ve been watching this round of the playoffs just to see LaBron and Co. choke and add another chapter to the Cleveland psych surrounding sports.

I just wanted to believe.

by mjmarble on May 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. I have absolutely no memory of that. My family is not an NBA family so I know pretty much nothing especially history. My dad is from Chicago so when we watched any basketball it was Bulls so they kind of have a special place in my heart.
I also don’t really get the NBA but I want to be a sports journalist so I figure I should try.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because, even if you’re a new fan, I don’t see how you could root for both if you’d seen that.

I don’t know, The Shot is a bit overrated as a Cleveland Moment. I mean, at the time, it seemed like it was up there with The Fumble — not equal, but in the same basic category. But over time, as Jordan went on to dominate the league utterly while the Cavs went on to do nothing, The Shot lost much of its pungency. It became clear that we were not robbed of a brilliant offseason by a fluke play, but rather that a good team at its peak was no match for one of the all-time great teams when it was just starting to peak.

I mean, it’s not like the Bulls went on to sweep the Rockies easily in four games.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I’d have to agree with this. When I look back at that play, I am kind of like….so what, it’s Michael Jordan.

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was more a big deal because it was Jordan’s signature moment as the greatest player of his generation, the Shot that began his run of dominance.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it’s only The Signature Moment for Cavs fans. For everyone else, it’s just one in a long string.

Whereas, all sports fans can grasp the special agony of The Fumble or Mesa in Game 7.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most people who followed the Bulls or Jordan’s career also remember that shot. It’s a bigger deal in Cleveland than it should be, but it really was the beginning of the Jordan everyone remembers.

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, The Shot is as Brad said the moment that began his “greatest player ever” stardom. After all the great players peaking in the 80s, it was right then that he started to show he was a cut above the elite.

That said, it does get too much play in Cleveland as a keystone of self pity.

by danvail on May 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, it’s not just a big deal in Cleveland but everywhere. As I said, that shot marked the start of the Bulls’ dominance in the 90’s and his reputation as a “big game” player. Whenever you think of Jordan’s classic moments, you think of two shots: that one and the shot over Bryon Russell to end his career (in Chicago, at least). I think those are the two Jordan shots that have gone down in history and are replayed on TV whenever people are remember his career. So I don’t think it’s just a Cleveland thing.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s fine for everyone else and their view of Jordan. But the significance of a play like that to Cleveland is the sense that we got robbed. And in that light, it’s not even really up there with Skinner holding up Lofton.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’m not sure if it’s “we got robbed” so much as “we can’t catch a break”. that was arguably the best cavs team ever (until this year), and we run into this guy who’s just starting to break out as the best athlete of all time, look like we have him beat, and he hits a borderline-miraculous shot.

by the way, the play the cavs ran to take the lead immediately before “the shot” was genius.

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skinner: Hands up, Kenny. Up your money!
Lofton: Hell, Joel don’t shoot. Take my watch.

by odradek on May 30, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At Jordan’s retirement press conference (retirement #2, pre-Wizards Jordan), someone asked him to name, of all his game winners, what he felt was the most important shot of his career. He didn’t name the Carolina NCAA championship winner, or the shot over Bryon Russell that won his final Finals. The jerk named The Shot, and even called it that.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or the shot over offensive foul against Bryon Russell

Sorry, but I lived in Utah for a few years and, on that point at least, I got acculturated.

by SuddenSam on May 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am going to have to disagree with you on this one Jay. That year in 89, was the best Cavs team to date. They had gone 57-25, the second best record in the NBA that season (tied with Lakers), 6 games behind the Pistons. the Bulls were 10 games behind them.

They had split their 6 games with the Pistons and swept all 6 versus the Bulls in the regular season. They had the 2nd best defensive team and 9th best offensive rating (per basketballreference). But it was a very balanced team offensively with Daugherty at 18.9/game, Price at 18.9, Harper at 18.6 and Nance at 17.2.

Now granted they still would have had to knock off the Pistons in the playoffs that year. But my contention is that if the Cavs had not lost to the Bulls that year, the Bulls may have needed a few more seasons to reach their apex with another 1st round exit on their plate. I believe that loss to the Bulls scarred that team for the next few years as we could never beat the Bulls in the playoffs, even when we made those runs in 92 and 93.

If the Cavs win that series and potentially knock of the Pistons, who knows if they didn’t start a run of their own?

by talonk on May 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To this day, I still dream about that Cavaliers/Pistons 89 Eastern Conf Finals that never was… those were 2 beautifully contrasting styles, not that different than the current Magic/Cavaliers series actually. Just watching Price vs Isiah itself would have been nirvana.

by cheech99 on May 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least until Price was clotheslined by Sally, Mahorn or Laimbeer and had to sit out the rest of the series with a broken face.

by woodsmeister on May 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ALSO! Jordan shoved off.

by fleerdon on May 29, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been watching this round of the playoffs just to see LaBron and Co. choke and add another chapter to the Cleveland psych surrounding sports.

um, i’m not necessarily looking for a fight here, but, uh, i think “eff you” is an appropriate response here, no? am i wrong?

/cavs fan
//tribe fan
///browns fan

by DontCallMeJoey on May 29, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how did you get into the Indians?

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only sport I liked as a kid was football. In fact I particularly hated baseball. Seemed like a stupid boring sport. Needless to say I never followed baseball during the first 75% of my formative years

But when I turned 12 and started watching Sportscenter non-stop I caught a baseball story here and there. Didn’t pay much attention to them because I still thought baseball was boring. But one day while I was watching I overheard the news that the Indians signed Kenny Lofton after trading him to the Braves earlier in the year. To which I immediately said:

“So wait…the Indians traded this guy. Got players in return. And then got him (Lofton) back anyways?

THAT.IS.AWESOME"

So I started following baseball and more importantly the Indians, purely because of that exchange.

by world dictator on May 29, 2009 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m hoping there is a kid out there somewhere that is saying the same thing about the Cavs this year.

“So the Cavs traded Damon Jones and Joe Smith to get Mo Williams, but then signed Joe Smith later in the year. So essentially the Cavaliers got Mo Williams for Damon Jones? THAT.IS.AWESOME.”

by Chief WaDrew on May 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait, WHAT. wow.

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many fans on the Pirates board are Browns fans? I’m going to guess….zero.

by dgcambridge on May 29, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

it’s easy to be a frontrunner

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definately. Don’t get me started on Steelers fans — central Ohio is filled with Steelers fans who claim to have been fans for decades but don’t know any players except Rothlessburger and Santonio Holmes (because he was a Buckeye). To me, because there are front-running Steelers fans all over Columbus, Steelers fans are worse than even Yankees fans.

I just don’t get being an Indians fans and a Steelers fan. I don’t get that at all. How is that possible? I mean, I know how it’s possible — the Browns suck and the Pirates suck — but how do they justify that?

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is how it is possible. You grow up in Youngstown Ohio, which is pretty much equidistant from Cleveland and Pittsburgh. For no good reason whatsoever, you decide you like the Steelers when you are in kindergarten. Your dad takes you to a ton of Indians games, Younstown State games, and Ohio State games, and the occasional Cavs game while growing up so you become a fan of those teams, but you don’t really go to any pro football games. So you like the Steelers, Indians, Buckeyes and Cavs.

It was hell growing up in the late 1980s as a Steelers fan, when all of your friends and family were Browns fans and the Browns were having their only good teams they’ve had in a while. So I don’t want to hear anything about being a front runner. I’m just lucky.

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, maybe not you, but most Steelers fans not from western PA are front-runners. You have to admit that.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course their are a lot of front running Steelers fans.

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, sometimes you have a problem admitting that.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We gotta get you two guys on Dr. Phil to talk this thing out.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if that will help, we’ve been doing this for 10 years.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’d be the most awesome Dr. Phil ever. 2 guys just making nonsensical arguments that wouldn’t hold up to any scrutiny at all. Or at least that’s how my side would be. But I’d be louder.

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that any different than any other episode of Dr. Phil?

Actually, now that I think of it, it sounds more like Springer. Or Morton Downey, Jr.

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want you to get excited about your life, that’s all.

Also! Are you listening to what you’re saying?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree with everything you’re saying, I actually have a good friend who is a diehard for both teams. His family is rooted in Pittsburgh, but his parents moved him out at a very young age to Cleveland in the late 80s. His dad never followed baseball, but loved the Steelers, so he gets his Steeler love from his dad. He picked up the Indians as a kid and stuck with them.

So it’s really weird, he’s a Penn State, Steeler, and Penguins fan, but also an Indians and Cavs fan. And a Dayton Flyers fan.

I mock his schizophrenia mercilessly.

by danvail on May 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know a guy who moved to the Cleveland area from Pittsburgh maybe 25 years ago. He’s adopted the Indians and Cavs completely, but he’s never given up the Steelers and Pitt. I respect that. Hell, it’s not like he roots for the Bengals.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up with a lot of Steelers fans in Akron whose families had no more connection to Western PA than I did. They were no different than all the Red Sox fans I have to put up with now in Richmond (actually it’s probably worse, inasmuch as Richmond won’t have a team of its own until the Giants’ AA franchise shows up in 2010). My view of Steelers fans is and will always be colored by those idiots.

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the answer to that isn’t zero, I’m going to guess that dg isn’t more than 3 or 4 off.

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on May 29, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a very good friend who is a huge fan of both… she now lives in Cleveland and tailgates the Browns 8 times a season, and still makes it to several Bucs games a year. But Erie makes funny pairings like that—I also know a lot of Indians/Steelers fans, and of course, I’m Tribe/Bills. A lot depends on parents and a lot depends on circumstance. When I was 6 and getting into football, I was a frontrunner. But at least I was a frontrunner with a local team (not to mention the one with broadcast rights).

Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile

by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 29, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m Bills/Tribe. Lived both places for brief periods as a kid.

by afh4 on Jun 1, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SSS if you’re talking about die-hard Pirates fans.

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be fantastic if the Pirates could put it together again. That said, I’m not really a
‘fan’ of the team.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been to PNC Park a couple of times and I really like that park.

All the seats seem to be close and it really seems like everyone is packed right in around the action. It really takes advantage of the surrounding area with the bridges in the background and the river not too far over the right field wall.

by AllenSmith on May 29, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to go there. It looks like a really good park.

by ClemsonGirl on May 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PNC Park is great.

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. We’re headed to Akron in late June for a family memorial service, and I’m trying to see if I can talk the family into a side trip to PNC. Unfortunately Cleveland plays on Thursday and we won’t be headed out until Friday. The weekend series is against KC.

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m Indians, Cavs, imitation Browns, and the University of Illinois. I get the double-dip of racist mascots.

Sixty-nine people from my high school graduating class went to Ohio State, and as a result, I can’t stand the school. Plus they beat Illinois in everything.

I also like the University of Akron, because my parents went there and took me to lots of football games as a child. Fear the Roo!

by Chemo on May 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You must have been thrilled when Illinois ran all over the Buckeyes last year. Or the year before. Whatever, I’m a casual Buckeyes fan.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on May 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was in ‘07. The Buckeyes were #1 in the country (although they really weren’t that good, as they showed against LSU) going in to that game. I was actually at that game, and after we lost I figured that our national championship hopes were finished. Four days after that game is when my car accident occured. I have no recollection of the four or five weeks after my accident while I was in the hospital so I missed the Michigan game and all the drama that led to OSU moving back up to #1 in the polls and in the national title game. When I finally started to realize that I was in the hospital and what had happened to me, the most startling news (besides the fact that I had almost died in a car crash, which I guess was kinda big news) was that OSU made the championship game. I couldn’t believe it because last thing I remembered was them losing to Illinois. Of course, after watching LSU destroy the Buckeyes in the championship game, I kinda wished my memory hadn’t come back yet. (Not to mention the fact that I missed most of the excitment of the end of the Browns season that year only to see DA throw away our chance for the playoffs in the Cincinnati game.)

by Buckeye Brad on May 29, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I never even thought of this. Crazy. And I missed a chance to make fun of yo

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

u

geez a lot of typos this morning.

by Cols714 on May 29, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zippy the Kangaroo, your 2007 Capital One Mascot of the Year.

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I graduated from Shaker Hts. High in 67 and I think I was the only person in a class of 400+ that listed OSU as my choice. Classmates looked at me like “Why throw your life away?”

On another subject, we throw the word “fan” around pretty loosely. If one claims to be a Browns fan, but can’t name more than 2 or 3 players on the team, how seriously should they be taken? I once asked a buddy who he thought would win the Saints/Browns game. He said the Browns. When I asked why he thought that, he replied that Charlie Frye was better than their QB. I inquired as to whom he thought was the Saints QB and he could not tell me it was Drew Brees. But, this is your average person calling themselves a fan.

by elsandito on May 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll name the 53 man roster right here RIGHT NOW. Don’t make me do it!

by NickFantana on May 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If one claims to be a Browns fan, but can’t name more than 2 or 3 players on the team, how seriously should they be taken?

Not very.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milt Byrnes and Nels Potter. Am I doing it right?

by FredOx on May 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If someone claims to be fanatical about a team and cannot name 4 players, I’d hate to know what it is they are indifferent to?

by elsandito on May 29, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

“What do you mean, we invaded the Philippines?”

by fleerdon on May 29, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy buddy, there’s a moratorium on Animal House I’m pretty sure.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on May 29, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

isnt this pushing the political envelope?

by talonk on May 30, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right at the line.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from my experience, those folks are usually just bigots.

You know Selig? Ombudsman.

by rolub on May 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was tested once on the 2008 Browns in my old job. I got 51 I think

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d bet you forgot Hamza Abdullah and Issac Sowells.

by NickFantana on May 29, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew Sowells. Definitely forgot/didn’t know Abdullah

Can’t remember the other

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Louis Leonard. Travis Daniels.

by NickFantana on May 29, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am NOT this into football.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on May 29, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know both of those

by Roger Dorn on May 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too. I really wish I didn’t though.

I become an expert simply by doing something.

by fwembt on May 30, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis Daniels has been around. I’ve never heard of Louis.

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football completely bores me.

Waiting for Rondon.

by Gradyforpresident on May 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I never hear this anymore.
It has its moments.

Moses Cleaveland, the guy who invented Cleveland

by ClemsonGirl on May 30, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My girlfriend says it from time to time. I know a few other girls that have made similar statements

by Roger Dorn on May 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In South Carolina it is against the law to say football is boring. Football is boring unless it is college or high school and you’re there.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on May 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High school football is perhaps the most boring thing ever created.

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by fwembt on May 31, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not if you go to Webster Groves High School in St. Louis, Missouri, home to one half of the oldest high school football rivalry west of the Mississippi. Stupid Kirkwood Pioneers. We won the Turkey Day Game and got back the Frisco Bell (trophy) this year. I was there and It was awesome.
I did say you had to be there. I definitely would not watch high school football on TV.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on May 31, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I went to a high-quality public high school (gasp) that was academically focused. But of course we pretended we were a football school. The games were insufferable.

by Voltaire on May 31, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webster is a great school. It is better than some private schools in the area. We also have good sports and the Top Choir in the state. We are all overachievers. I suppose were since I graduated.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on May 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webster Groves? Really? For some reason, I pegged you as more of a Ladue girl. At least you’re not from Fenton.

(I lived in Kirkwood, but only as an adult)

by FredOx on Jun 1, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ewwwwww. Ladue? No not that rich. hahaha I have said if I ever move back to St. Louis (not likely) if I live in the Kirkwood school district my kids are going to private schools. Actually if I live anywhere but in the Webster School District my kids will probably go to private schools. Cor Jesu and SLU preferably.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jun 1, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we were happy with the schools, but Nolan was only in first grade. Keysor Elementary met with my approval, but I can’t go any further than that.

by FredOx on Jun 1, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kirkwood schools are good but I couldn’t have my son play for Kirkwood sports especially football. And they would all be cheering for the Pioneers at Turkey Day and it would just be a very strange time.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jun 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought there were plenty of NE Ohio high school football teams worth watching year in, year out from what the “pundits” tell us. Masillon and the one where Ted Ginn Sr coaches (Glenville??) are two that I recall.

by talonk on Jun 1, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, high school football is pretty big in Ohio. I went to a small high school with no future college players but I always enjoyed our games — of course, it helped that our team was really good. And I enjoy watching games at the school were I teach now. High school football is about more than just watching sports, it’s a way for the community to get together (in small towns, especially). I teach at a small, rural high school and football games are pretty much the only thing that brings the community together, where everyone from different parts of the district comes to watch games and socialize. When our team made the playoffs a couple years ago for the first time in a long time it was a really big deal. My wife’s school (Hilliard Davidson) won the D-1 state championship a few years ago — in overtime, no less, where the coach went for two after a TD to win instead of kicking the PAT to tie the game, which of course was a really ballsy call and a game I’ll never forget — and that was a big deal not just for the school and community but for all of central Ohio because D-1 football is usually dominated by Cleveland and Cincy schools. That was one of the best football games I’ve ever seen at any level.

Of course, in places like Massillon and St. Ignatius and Glennville football is a HUGE deal. And I can understand how people who don’t like football can get annoyed by that and are probably upset that other sports don’t get the same attention, but that’s just the way it is. Football is king in Ohio and it always will be.

by Buckeye Brad on Jun 1, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was born and raised in NW PA — Meadville, what what! The city is pretty much exactly equidistant to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Buffalo. It was literally 50-50 Steelers-Browns; you could shut down the traffic lights in town twice a year when those two played.

On the other hand, in the late 80s when I was first paying attention to baseball, there were a LOT more Pirates fans (because the Pirates had a good, solid Jay Bell/Andy Van Slyke-led team) than Indians fans. Obviously the Indians were so bad for so long that few people would voluntarily submit themselves to becoming a fan (for those of you who weren’t that aware of the team back then, let me put it this way — the movie Major League was NOT an exaggeration).

But my dad was born in Cleveland and something of an Indians fan (and his older brother was a huge Cleveland fan), so my loyalties became entwined with the Indians. Cool to be different, right?

But because the town was so split btwn. Browns and Stillers, I could never really come down one way or the other (I suppose I could have been a Bills fan, but — yikes, I don’t know if I could stay sane with that combination). I was an Arizona Cardinals fan for a while, but I abandoned them a few years ago because I thought the front office would never commit to putting a good team on the field (go figure). I follow the Iggles from my time in the Phila area, but I can’t really consider myself much of a fan.

Anyway, in the mid 90s when EVERYONE jumped on the Tribe bandwagon I had the street cred to NOT be a frontrunner — I even wrote a Jr. High paper about my nostalgic feelings when the Mistake by the Lake was torn down.

So now that I’m in baseball-poor Northern VA I’m glad I found this site so I can get my baseball fix on. I’ll be stopping by from time to time.

by FlynnBW on Jun 1, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you own some Channel Locks?

I was born and raised in Sharpsville, PA. We played at Meadville once and lost 20-0, which was typical of our teams of that era.

Juan Salas: Smartest man in baseball?

by emd2k3 on Jun 1, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Northern VA does have one good team. Unfortunately, it’s the 2008 Carolina League Champion Alexandria Dukes Prince William Pirates Prince William Yankees Prince William Cannons Potomac Cannons Potomac Nationals

by FredOx on Jun 2, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t own any ChannelLock tools, but I’m damn proud whenever I see them. When I have enough money to buy a decent set of tools, you know I’ll go out and get some fine Meadville-made ChannelLocks.

I’ll have to check out the Potomac Nationals — gotta love minor league baseball.

One other thing; I’m not much of an NBA fan, and was pretty much neutral on the Cavs until LeBron wore a Yankees cap to the ‘07 LDS. I mean, it’d be one thing if he wasn’t from the area, but come on now! The Indians were a great team when he was growing up!

(although it was worth it hearing Bob Feller talking s*** on LeBron by saying that he was going to sit behind the Cavs bench with a Pistons cap on the next time the two played in the Playoffs — that was priceless.)

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