Luis Vizcaino is a (minor league) Indian!!!!
A few bits of information:
The Cubs released him Monday so he is probably working for minimum.
He has pitched less than 4 innings this year and last pitched in a game on April 21st.
The roster already stands at 40, which roster spot would he take if this is true?
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My senior prom date’s dad is President of Gaylord. I just sent an e-mail to her asking for info. Will post anything I hear.
by APV on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re going to the senior prom?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 7, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
life wasn’t easy at an all-male high school. some of us feel the need to fill the voids of our past
by Roger Dorn on May 7, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only memories I have left of high school are of the girls.
by jhon on May 7, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Common misconception about high schoolers attending a single-sex school: that we didn’t encounter and sometimes even “date” in high school
by Roger Dorn on May 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But where would you meet them? The Taco Bell Parking lot?**
**Taco Bell was, in fact, one of the places I might go to meet girls
by jhon on May 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruster’s.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You went to the wrong school, sir. You should have been treated like kings.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not every all-male high school has associated all-girl (or “mostly-girl”) schools to provide them with dates…
Professional Lurker. Non-Baseball Posting Specialist.
by fingolfin on May 8, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out the new alumni magazine. I’m part of a pseudo-class profile. I’m the one dressed like a preppie with a $12 haircut.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice — I’ll have to tell my mom not to chuck that one.
Where do you get a $12 haircut in Manhattan? Even that barber shop at Astor Place charges more than that.
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by fingolfin on May 8, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had $16 but never better in Manhattan.
by Roger Dorn on May 8, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Dominican barbershop on Amsterdam. They raised their prices to $15 this year, though. I was disappointed, but they’re my boys.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 Aces in Hell’s Kitchen runs $12. Warm foam trim around the edges included.
by Pronktastic on May 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More ex-Cubs. Have we reached the ex-Cub quota yet? Why did Chicago release Vizcaino anyway? He only pitched 3.2 innings (2 H, 3 K, 0 BB) in 4 appearances before the DFA.
by FredOx on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m looking at the Chicago papers and trying to figure that out. There’s no mention of injury or anything. It seems pretty clear that Pinella just wasn’t interested, and they would rather go with younger guys like Samardzija. Vizcaino came over from Colorado with a $3.5 M price tag. His spring training stats were sparse and mediocre, but not horrible. Who knows?
by dgcambridge on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Samardzija just got shipped back to Iowa with a case of suck. Piniella and pitchers do not appear to get along.
by morineko on May 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We needed a roster spot and somebody in the bullpen had to go and unfortunately for Luis, it was him,” Cubs manager Lou Piniella said. “We have some good young arms out there now and we’ll go with that.”
As General Manager of this team, I demand to know when I'm getting a start.
by bigbrabbs on May 7, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BB-Ref page is a pretty good “relievers are fungible” reminder — it’s basically alternating good years & crappy years.
by zempf on May 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’ll fit right in
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He must be taking Chulk’s spot with perhaps Jensen getting sent down?
by talonk on May 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But we have a 40-man issue, right?
by dgcambridge on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Adam Miller still on the 40?
I'm not really into Song of Hiawatha.
by sarcasmdave on May 7, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is, but I think we only have 39 right now.
by FredOx on May 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To right this bullpen, I suspect that there are no insurmountable 40-man options. Chances are, since he was just DFA’d, that this is a trade and not a waiver pickup. If this story is true, the Cubs are getting somebody, and possibly somebody on our 40-man roster. Maybe one of our surplus AAA catchers?
by woodsmeister on May 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he was released by the Cubs on Monday, so it’s a free agent signing.
by parsons on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry – I misread something somewhere.
by woodsmeister on May 7, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I count 40 guys on the mlb roster page, but Westbrook is on the 60, so we do have one open spot.
5/1 Rundles down, Dellucci activated, no change on 40
5/2 Valbuena up, Barfield up, LaPorta up; Crowe down, Smith to DL, Graffanino DFA; -1 on 40
5/6 Herges up (and on 40), Salas released, Perez down; no change to 40
5/7 Sowers up, Chulf DFA; -1 on 40
by talonk on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh, interesting. Check this out:
To make room on the Major League roster for Herges, the Indians optioned lefty Rafael Perez to Columbus, and the Tribe created room on the 40-man roster for Herges by releasing righty Juan Salas.
From the Indians.com article.
by dgcambridge on May 7, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5/6 Herges up (and on 40), Salas released, Perez down; no change to 40
by APV on May 7, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was turned around a little. The 5/2 line above isn’t right, with LaPorta coming on and Graffy off, there was no change. So we were still full on 5/6. And now it’s Chulk’s DFA that makes room for Vizcaino.
by dgcambridge on May 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In any event, there’s now 39 on the 40-man roster with Jake on the 60-day DL.
by FredOx on May 7, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang, you are correct, I totally forgot LaPorta was not on the 40.
Revised:
5/1 Rundles down, Dellucci activated; no change on 40
5/2 Valbuena up, Barfield up, LaPorta up (and on 40); Crowe down, Smith to DL, Graffanino DFA; no change on 40
5/6 Herges up (and on 40), Salas released, Perez down; no change to 40
5/7 Sowers up, Chulf DFA; -1 on 40
So Vizcaino if signed would take the last 40 man spot
by talonk on May 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually you are correct. When Salas was released, he must have already been off the 40
by talonk on May 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stats look serviceable with the potential to be solid. His worst recent year was while pitching in Coors Field
by Roger Dorn on May 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was actually significantly better on the road than at home, however.
by FredOx on May 7, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meant to say worse on the road than at home. Oops.
by FredOx on May 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly someone sprayed our bullpen wall with teflon
by APV on May 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeez, I hole up to take one practice test this morning and this entire site blows up.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vizcaino? I’ll take it … I guess.
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
by emd2k3 on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CHAMPIONSHIP?
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
by emd2k3 on May 7, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My assumption is that he is going on the 25, whgo is getting sent down? Valbuena, LaPorta, JLewis?
by talonk on May 7, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i could see LaPorta, too.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think they’ll go with an 8 man pen?
by dgcambridge on May 7, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Laporta goes down when Hafner comes up…May 19th maybe
by APV on May 7, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that the two really relate to one another?
Don’t LaPorta’s AB come at the expense of Francisco and not necessarily Hafner?
I guess I look at it more along the lines of Hafner takes AB away from Dellucci and whatever RH complement is DH platooning with him than affecting LaPorta. Unless the idea is to allow The Looch to play LF, but I just have trouble buying that if LaPorta can play there everyday, Frisco can be the 4th OF, and Dellucci can be the LH bat off the bench without taking any AB away from Hafner.
by The DiaTriber on May 7, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s who I think it’ll be. Francisco is coming around just enough, and Dellucci is back in the mix.
Won’t be Valbuena until Carroll’s back.
75% confident it’s Laporta, dependent on how / if Stomp pitches tonight.
by jhon on May 7, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun facts.
The Tribe has already used 15 pitchers in 28 games.
This total will be increasing quickly in the next few days: Sowers, Herges, and perhaps Vizcaino. That would make 18, with Westbrook most likely making it 19. We would be well on our way towards a new high for number of pitchers used in one season.
We used 30 in 2004 (counting Laker’s one blowout appearance), 31 in 2002, and 32 in 2000.
by talonk on May 7, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not that unusual to use 15 pitchers in a month. I mean, you’re bound to use 12, so it’s just a 3-man turnover.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The average number of pitchers used in the Central is 14. The teams with the best records in the majors have used 18 (Toronto) and 16 (LA). That number means nothing.
by FredOx on May 7, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but I was really trying to incorporate we will be up to 18 in a matter of 2 days. Just by happenstance that Rundles didnt get in the day he was up, or it would have been 19.
18/19 in the span of a month, is a bit much.
As a follow-up to the totals of 32 in a season. I can’t see this year going this route (yet), unless we have another mass sell-off/major injuries. As it is, the only have guys on the 40 that haven’t appeared yet are Rundles, Rondon, Meloan, and Miller. I fully expect to see Meloan and Rundles at some point this year, and probably Rondon in Sept. Obviously Miller won’t appear and the number now becomes 22 (counting Westbrook at some point). The only others I expect before the year is out is Huff.
To approach the record, we’d have to DFA Herges/Masa, do a few trades, slide a few guys to the 60, etc and call up guys like Aquino, Ohka, Saarloos, Lofgren, Gomez, Judy, Herrmaann, Newson, and whoever we trade for/sign off the scrap heap.
by talonk on May 7, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s not like it’s a # that increases linearly.
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on May 7, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. First thing you want to do is to deduct 12. Question isn’t how many you use, it’s how many greater than 12? And the answer will be somewhere between 2 and 20. In the first month, we used 3.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 7, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
I swear I have memory space for about 70 baseball players, and right now 60 of them are being taken by players in the Indians organization.
by fleerdon on May 7, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had to tell a baseball fan who Joey Votto was yesterday.
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to tell abaseballYankees fan who Joey Votto was yesterday.
Fixed.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on May 7, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really confused until I realized this isn’t Jose Vizcaino
by cleveland teamer on May 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too, I admit it.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 7, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I'm *always* in the driver's seat, cugino -- Chuck
by Turkmenbashi on May 7, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I was thinking at first “he’s still around? must be a minor league deal”
Ben Francisco: An Outfielder only on baseball cards and roster sheets.
by westbrook on May 7, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could have sworn luis vizcaino was a light-hitting second baseman. must have been thinking about castillo.
by TheDanimal on May 7, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I mean, he sounded like a baseball player, and I would have guessed utility infielder. But I don’t know him from a hole in the wall.
by fleerdon on May 7, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the third day of 2005, Ozzie Guillen used six relievers in the last three innings against Cleveland. They then proceeded to tie the game on three ninth-inning home runs off of “Mister Zero.” All he had left for extras was Luis Vizcaino, who went 2 innings before completely imploding.
This is my most vivid memory of Luis Vizcaino. As a sacrificial lamb.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should be five relievers, but he only had six.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still nothing on this? Not having Castro on the beat this week is killer.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
internet-fueled not-quite-rumors about signing recently unemployed replacement-level relievers is BASEBALL.
by fleerdon on May 7, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they meant Indianapolis.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 7, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gaylord sports has removed the Vizcaino twitter
by APV on May 8, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to set up a Wedge twitter. Comedy hilarity ensues.
by Toxicadam on May 8, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
@WEDGE3000: zzzpttt … trust the process …. bbrrrttt … finding their stroke …. errrp.
Sometimes, I just like to b****.
by emd2k3 on May 8, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal confirms it as an Indians “intention” to sign him.
by xrickx on May 8, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look to my coming, at first light, on the fifth day.
by dgcambridge on May 8, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confirms it according to an unnamed “major league source,” which could mean just about anything, including that he read it on Twitter. Intriguing anyway, if only because Vizcaino will be cheap and couldn’t be worse than the stiffs already in the pen.
by FredOx on May 8, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean he’s rejoining the team? For all the moves they’ve made/are making, it’s been tough not having him on top of things.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean Castro, not Vizcaino, of course.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling he would have to join the ML club. Unless there was absolutely no interest, the Indians were probably able to get him with a guaranteed spot on the 25 man roster
by Roger Dorn on May 8, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Indians would want him if he’s not willing to spend at least a week or two in the minors refining his pitches. I mean, why would they?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 8, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he has pitched in the majors within the last few weeks, so I’m not sure how much refining he needs to do. Maybe an appearance or two to get a feel back after the time off.
Again, though, I meant Castro, who was off the beat this week while we were speculating our heads off about all this stuff.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s pitched well enough to be DFA’ed from an NL club, that’s how much refining he needs to do.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a bizarre claim about a guy who didn’t walk anyone, struck out three, and gave up a single and a double in 3.2 innings of work. He didn’t pitch poorly at all—he just didn’t pitch at all after the 21st. I’d say his greatest sin was being low on the totem pole in a bullpen full of Famous Names. (In fact, he was DFA’d to make room for Famous Name Jeff Samardzija.)
Point being, I only think he needs a few days to make sure he’s got a feel for all of his pitches. Then, he’ll be ready to replace Masa. Maybe as soon as Monday.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well come clean, you caught me napping instead of doing my homework.
This does however confirm my theory that the people running the Cubs are morons.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on May 8, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it was a good line.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on May 8, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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