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Around SBN: The Ten Worst Swings Of The 2011 Season

"It's a work in progress," says Lovullo. "It's just baseball" says Andy.

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This piece made me really like Marte

Waiting for Rondon.

by Gradyforpresident on May 8, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Although this was an interesting comment:

“I play for my teammates first, then for myself and then for the Cleveland Indians,” Marte said.

Guess it makes sense though. He doesn’t owe the Indians a thing.

by supermarioelia on May 8, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovullo:

“Here’s a guy who spent the last year and a half in the big leagues. And he’s done OK.”

I understand that as Marte’s manager, Lovullo needs to be diplomatic and say nice things about his players. But I pray that if/when the day comes when Torey manages the MLB Tribe, he doesn’t talk about how guys with lines of .211/.265/.337 are doing OK. I think my brain would explode.

by thejamootz on May 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I read that as despite being demoted to AAA this year, he’s done ok this year. And indeed, he has.

by APV on May 8, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was sort of ambiguous to me. If that’s what he was trying to say, I’m totally behind that.

by thejamootz on May 8, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you prefer Lovullo say something like “He was pretty terrible with the big league club, even though he really didn’t get a fair chance”

by Roger Dorn on May 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marte’s comments make everything clear in my mind. He has awesome natural talent which has gotte him this far. But his attitude is lackadaisical. It’s just my opinion but it seems like he hasn’t worked hard enough to make himself an every day major leaguer.

by RD74 on May 8, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure what evidence there is that he has or hasn’t worked hard. He seems like a low-key guy, sure, but I’m reluctant to read more into that than a low-key personality. What I think IS true is that he has real flaws as a hitter and that he hasn’t learned to overcome them (yet).

by peter m on May 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure he could be mellow or whatever you want to call it. He just never struck me as super motivated, and that’s going off of his body language, the quotes I’ve read, and of course performance. Saying “That’s baseball,” and shrugging seems like a guy who is content to be where he is. And maybe there is nothing wrong with that.

I realize I’m passing judgement and I could certainly be wrong.

by RD74 on May 8, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the three men who previously together and now in part have serve as Andy’s agents for his entire career, and they’ve told me that he is one of the most pleasant individuals they’ve ever represented. Low-key might be a good word, and he’s certainly not one of those athletes who displayed a sense of entitlement amid all the hype.

It’s unfortunate the way things have turned out, because I’d say that he fits exactly the high-character bar that this organization values. He’s one guy who I would be happy to see flourish in another uniform (non-Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox, of course).

by xrickx on May 8, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone explain why Columbus’s best player batted 7th tonight? Are they letting Wedge set the AAA lineups too?

by supermarioelia on May 8, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Since he’s gotten off to a nice start, I read the article thinking I’d see a quote from Lovullo talking about how well he’s seeing the ball, etc. Instead, we get this.

“Defensively, he’s an outstanding third baseman,” Lovullo said. “He’s picked up first base very well. Offensively, I still think he’s learning how to level his shoulders and level his swing plane. He has an up-and-under mentality and he wants to drive the ball. He hits a lot of fly balls. We’re trying to get him to stay gap to gap and level out his swing plane. It’s a work in progress.”

Ultimately, I think the above is the main reason why he didn’t get the shot that many here think he should have. I believe Wedge and his staff felt that with his approach and mechanics Marte could not succeed at the major-league level. In my opinion, this is what led to the sporadic playing time and pinch-hitting for Marte that we saw. It didn’t matter to the coaching staff what he did in AAA at the age of 21, it’s what he was doing then. I’m assuming he had better mechanics a few years ago, or this is an indictment of their scouting. And I would bet that many other teams feel this way, since nobody wanted to take a free look at him this spring.

Based on Lovullo’s comment, I would guess this is the same thing that Shelton had tried to get him to do for the past couple of years. Marte is either unable or unwilling to change.

I posted this because I think it’s the big reason why many didn’t feel he got a fair chance and not necessarily as ammunition for any argument I have in this debate. I tend to side on those who feel he did get a fair chance, though I’m also on the record stating that he should’ve gotten more regular playing time last year after they raised the white flag. I’m rooting for him, and if nothing else, maybe he can play well enough to get himself included in a trade for something.

by TribeJay on May 9, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I watched him play last night. He appeared to be playing half-hearted. He seemed more interest in chatting with the Paw. Red Sox 3rd base couch. An old friend I guess, having gone through that org. on his way to Cleveland.

by ColumbusOhioFan on May 9, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Unless that 3rd base coach was formally employed by the Braves, I find that nearly impossible since Marte was traded from the Braves to the Red Sox and to the Tribe in the same offseason.

by talonk on May 9, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

50 days apart. Dec. 8 to Jan. 27. Maybe they met at the Red Sox Christmas party.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 9, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He appeared to be playing half-hearted.

That’s just how he rolls.

by supermarioelia on May 9, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously. Can we stop equating laid-back personalities with unmotivated and/or untalented, please?

by woodsmeister on May 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again Andy’s critics question his “appearance” and not his numbers so far this season

by Roger Dorn on May 9, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, people are self-proclaimed experts at making moral judgments based on body language.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 9, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Are you agreeing or disagreeing here? Because the content of your comment seems like you’re agreeing, but the way you started the sentence seems like you’re trying to make a witty contrast. Jay, stop confusing me like this. I’m drunk from post-birthday booze and I can’t take these complexities involving my boy.

by supermarioelia on May 10, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m agreeing. I’ve often taken writers to task for writing similar things about Peralta.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 10, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where did I claim to be be an expert. I was make an observation. I prefer players to be “in the game”, that’s all.

by ColumbusOhioFan on May 10, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I prefer that people not delude themselves about being mind-readers.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on May 10, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Casey maintained pretty much non-stop conversations with anyone within earshot of first base during his career and I don’t ever recall people accusing him of not being “in the game”. To the contrary, he was lauded as “The Mayor.”

by woodsmeister on May 11, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Marte had talked to Casey it would have been Marte’s fault.

by peter m on May 11, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Marte and Casey in sentences together again…

FE WEE

by westbrook on May 12, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

so, you prefer players to be EA Sports?

by Brick. on May 11, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couches are excellent conversationalists.

Sometimes, I just like to b****.

by emd2k3 on May 9, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was candlesticks …. oh never mind, that’s for wedding presents, my bad.

by talonk on May 10, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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