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Adam's in Georgia.  What are you going to do?

 

 

1.  Where does DeRo go? 

When Droobs went down (it’s ok, I can talk about it now), I thought we’d see a regular diet of Jhonny at SS and DeRosa at 3rd.  Instead, we’ve seen DeRosa placed all over the field, and now we’ve even seen Valbuena at SS three times. 

                        DeRo               JhP                    Carroll             Buena 

June 3              RF                   SS                    3B                   2B

June 4              DH                  SS                    3B                   2B

June 5              3B                   SS

June 6              RF                   SS                    3B                   2B

June 7              3B                                             2B                   SS                                           

June 9              LF                                           3B                   SS

June 10            LF                   3B                   2B                   SS

June 11            3B                   SS                                            2B

As for Jhonny, well, it’s clear that Wedge isn’t too caught up in Jhonny’s request for stability.  And is there any chance that the team (Wedge? Shapiro?) believes that Valbuena is the better defender than Jhonny at SS? (note: indians.mlb.com got the scoop on me here today.)  Meanwhile, DeRosa has become the SuperSub that we always wanted Blake to be, although Grady’s injury probably has a little to do with that. 

 

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2.  No more, please

            From day one in the 2009 season, I keep seeing the Indians lineup as two parts: the tremendous fun and potential of Sizemore, Cabrera, Choo, Hafner, Martinez, and the mismash of mediocrity that follows with the righties: Peralta, Garko, DeRosa, Francisco, Shoppach.  Sure, if good Jhonny were around, that would be unfair. I posed this question in a recent game-thread: how do you rank our right-handed hitters, without regard to defense or position? 

Here’s how PECOTA ranked them going into the season:

Shoppach        .324     .469     .793    

DeRosa           .355     .414     .769    

Francisco         .329     .425     .754    

Garko              .333     .420     .753    

Peralta             .328     .425     .753    

In the game thread, the responses generally had Shoppach near the bottom and Peralta at the top.  Regardless, once position is taken into account, Shoppach and Peralta are the best players.  You can also see why there is such much apathy in these parts toward Garko, who has no defensive value.  But of course, Shoppach and Peralta are struggling the most this year:

Shoppach        .331     .363     .694

DeRosa           .332     .445     .777

Francisco         .324     .406     .730

Garko              .353     .419     .772

Peralta             .341     .333     .674

Sorry if I’ve said this too often recently, but Peralta’s excellent season is fading into the past, and if he’s not at SS, he’s headed toward becoming a non-asset.  Garko’s slightly above his projection, but not enough to break out of his defensive hole.  And Shoppach is performing as a backup catcher, but I still believe the potential to be a plus player is there. 

 

 

 

3.  Tastes like burning

Everyone has surely seen the 2009 Nick Weglarz turnaround from an early slump (one that convinced him to shave his head, and then continued on for another couple of weeks).  He woke up on May 1, and decided to make a bat out of a tree felled by lightning.  Hits, and even homers, come and go, but it’s nice to see a prospect’s control of the strike zone improve over the season.  Weglarz went from a BB/K ratio of 0.53 in April to 0.96 in May/June.  Checking in on all of our major hitting prospects progress (except for those either injured on in the majors for long stretches), there were a few similar stories:

                        April BB/K                 May/June BB/K

Brantley          0.50                             1.06

Mills                0.17                             0.31

Abreu              0.07                             0.20

Now, these are all over the map.  Brantley, like Wegz, just returned to the level that makes him an excellent prospect in the first place.  Abner Abreu, who is younger than most of our ‘09 draft picks, went from having no clue at the plate whatsoever, to maybe-kinda-sorta-starting to understand the idea.  Yeah, I’m being optimistic, but it looks like learning.  And Santana, Chisenhall, Rivero, and Cid all saw small improvements in their rates.  The only ones who went down were the post-college duo of Phelps and Fedroff.

 

4.  Tweeners

And what of Fedroff?  Is he the classic tweener?  Without enough power for a corner or enough defense for center?  That usually results in reserve OF or AAA status.  He just hasn’t shown any power yet.  Just for fun, let’s compare him to this year’s 2nd round pick, Jason Kipnis, who also had the word "tweener" on his profile.  Here are each of their combined age 20 and 21 seasons, both at big time NCAA programs:

 

Player Name

Bavg

Obp

Slg

AB

2B

3B

HR

SB

CS

BB

SO

Tim Fedroff

0.379

0.437

0.581

494

29

10

17

19

5

54

54

Jason Kipnis

0.361

0.475

0.663

341

21

11

20

35

5

69

63

Similar types of players?  Maybe, but Kipnis showed better power and better speed, with a higher walk and strikeout rate.  Just about better all-around.  And Kipnis continued his growth in 2009:

Player Name

Bavg

Obp

Slg

AB

2B

3B

HR

SB

CS

BB

SO

Jason Kipnis

0.385

0.496

0.729

221

20

4

16

26

4

48

30

 

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via grfx.cstv.com


Hopefully he'll move fast.  Of course, these are ping stats, and with a home park in Arizona.  (On a slightly related note, here’s a Stark-type trivia question: Which MLB ballpark is at the 2nd highest altitude?)The non-trivial question is whether Kipnis can remain at CF, and Antonetti suggested during the June 10 game that Indians believe that he can.

 

 

5.  One number

Here’s one of my favorite numbers on the season so far: 26.4%.  That’s the line drive percentage for a minor leaguer named Andy Marte.  Marte plays third base, and was actually a piece of the Kelly Shoppach-Coco Crisp trade.  He’s had some struggles since then, but is smoking the ball this year, and that line drive rate is far above anything he’s done previously.  Is it possible, at 25, that Marte has learned a new approach?  I would love to see his spray charts, because it seems like he’s going to right more, but the 2009 charts are not available as far as I know.  On the other hand, I’d like him to take a walk this month.

 

 

 

6.  Lightning Rod

Look, DeRosa helps the team, but if he’s traded, we patch over with a little more of Garko, Peralta, and Shoppach.  (And maybe LaPorta.)  But if Pavano goes, there is a huge step down to his replacement.  I’m not sure Westbrook’s return solves that either, because there already is a hole or two with Jake’s name on it. 

It’s Pavano.  When we trade Pavano, we’re done with 2009.  There’s a ton of electronic ink still to be spent on the question of when.  Every day, a few more people are going to jump from the "Let’s play a little bit longer" pile to the "Ready to trade Pavano pile."  I’ll be honest, I’m ready to hold onto him until the last day of the trading deadline, because I’m a goofy optimist, and I don’t want the season to end until it has to.  More than that, I’m not convinced that there’s that much to be gained by trading him a couple of weeks early.  Yes, it’s a couple of extra starts.  But he’s not a Sabathia, a sure thing that dramatically improves any team.  I think teams will want to wait as long as possible to evaluate their chances (and Pavano), and we’ll do fine at last call with desperate souls. 

 

Pavano will most likely go, as will DeRosa, and they will have made their marks

But let's play a little bit longer.

 

 And since this may be my only EW6P ever, it has to be Fat Tire.  Sure, there are other rare or quirky choices out there, but if you were given the choice of one current Indian, all things considered, it would have to be Victor, right?  It's the same thing here.

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Oh, and one more thing: Raul Ibanez is probably ’roiding.

by dgcambridge on Jun 11, 2009 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t let him hear you, he’ll rip your arms off.

Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.

by USSChoo on Jun 11, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy for you to say from the cover of your mom’s basement.

So original.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 11, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, quite a comeback right? I didn’t actually think the original article was that bad. Weak, and long-winded, but I like that in a post. I don’t really think the guy’s point stands, not in the new testing area, but it’s not ridiculous.

by dgcambridge on Jun 12, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially since the original article isn’t really trying to convince anyone that he used. It just says there are several reasons for why Raul might be off to such a hot start. In this day and age unfortunately one of them is going to be steroids, and more so if you’re on the wrong side of 35.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 12, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Without looking, I’m going to guess …. Pittsburgh.

I’m with you about Marte’s discipline, but presently I’d be content to see half a season of good contact. Frankly, I can’t blame him for thinking he’s got more to prove swinging his bat than not.

Kipnis and Fedroff are essentially the same age. All else aside, the speed and discipline differences may be real. I will say this: Much though we’d like to believe we’re set for a long-term outfield of LaPorta/Sizemore/Choo, it’s time to start getting a backup plan in place, and somebody’s got to play center.

Speaking of non-assets: Garko’s even closer than I thought.

Mis-spelled “Weglarz!”

by fleerdon on Jun 11, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

it’s time to start getting a backup plan in place, and somebody’s got to play center.

Brantley says hi.

Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.

by USSChoo on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bubububu he’s a defensive liability!!

((Where have those people gone to?))

by Toxicadam on Jun 11, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I can’t remember is, who were they in the first place? The second-hand reports on Brantley were iffy, and now they’re spiffy. Curious.

by fleerdon on Jun 12, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I can tell the only people pumping up Brantley as a CF are sources from inside the Indians’ org. The same org that touts BFran as a CF. Just seems like positive spin to me.

If there’s been a lot of stuff about Brantley from BA or something, ignore me.

by afh4 on Jun 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m suprised you don’t blame FOX. have another wheat grass shot.

by Brick. on Jun 12, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t stand to see you two like this.

by NickFantana on Jun 12, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odwalla superfood – yummy

by APV on Jun 12, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I’ve done since I got here is drink hoppy beers. So take that.

by afh4 on Jun 13, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you move permanently to California? I missed like a week of game threads; how did this happen?

Il faut d'abord durer.

by CU Adam on Jun 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. 6 weeks. Summer gig in Berkeley (I’m a teacher).

by afh4 on Jun 13, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, unless LaPorta’s moved to first, in which case, we’d still be short an outfielder.

by fleerdon on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Pittsburgh is indeed correct.

by dgcambridge on Jun 12, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t blame him for thinking he’s got more to prove swinging his bat than not.

Very well put…

Stuart Dean

by stuart dean on Jun 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Fat Tire available in Cleveland these days?

by SanD on Jun 11, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It was available on draft at every spring training game I went to in Arizona

by APV on Jun 11, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another reason to get to Arizona next year

by SanD on Jun 12, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard a rumor it was available at Coors Field. Anyone?

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 11, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is, just at certain booths. It’s the same price as a 6 pack, of course.

by dgcambridge on Jun 12, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work filling in. Agree completely on the fat tire commentary.

One thing about Kipnis, I read where Kevin Goldstein likes him fairly well, he made his top 50 players for the draft, and Goldstein is generally a tools-oriented guy. This makes me feel a little better about him, for whatever reason.

by ClarkM on Jun 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Goldstein was also a Chiz supporter.

by fleerdon on Jun 11, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think Pavano will be traded this season. I’m not sure that we could garner anyone essential in return for him. I think other clubs are wary enough of his past injuries that they’re not going to jump as high as we need/would like.

I believe in Carl Pavano.

by salome on Jun 11, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually feel the exact opposite. The fact that Pavano’s contract is performance based and the fact that he is a free agent after the season almost virtually guarantees that he is gone

by Roger Dorn on Jun 11, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant during the season. Afterwards, ok, I think you may be right.

I believe in Carl Pavano.

by salome on Jun 11, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the season? He’s only on a 1-year deal. He’s gone after the season regardless of how he does, unless we resign him, which is a different issue. I agree with Roger Dorn.

by APV on Jun 11, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I have made no bones about my wish for him to stay. I know he’s signed to a one-year deal. If he doesn’t implode, I hope we re-sign.

I believe in Carl Pavano.

by salome on Jun 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s silly.

Teams are always looking for more starting pitching. If teams are willing to acquire Brad Penny who has a 4.58 FIP then I doubt they’re going to turn their nose at Pavano who has a 4.08 FIP. (Even though his high FIP is mostly due to two bad starts) Minus his two disastrous starts Pavano’s really been one of the better pitchers in baseball. Not a A-class All Star but a very good major league pitcher.

If Pavano were signed to an expensive multiyear contract I might be inclined to agree. But a one year performance based contract maxing out at around $5 million is nothing. Even after you include the prospects you’d be giving up.

by world dictator on Jun 11, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minus his two disastrous starts Pavano’s really been one of the better pitchers in baseball. Not a A-class All Star but a very good major league pitcher.

Yes, but you’ll notice I didn’t say I felt this would be based on this year’s performance. I think his past is going to affect what we could get for him during this season and what he might garner on the free agent market. At least for the short term, I don’t think his value is going to be high until he proves he can consistently perform adequately and without injury.

I believe in Carl Pavano.

by salome on Jun 11, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pavano’s been healthy for almost a full year, going back to the later half of last season with the Yankees. And it’s not like Pavano has a bad shoulder or a reoccurring injury like Reyes.

Again, we’re talking about a half season , low dollar figure commitment. Pavano, injury history included is still going to be much cheaper than a lot of pitchers on the market, many of them he’s outperforming.

Like I said, starting pitching is always in high demand. Cheap starting pitchers don’t grow on trees.

by world dictator on Jun 11, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see Pavano being traded as some kind of white flag. Sure, he has been a solid contributor, and exceeded all expectations so far… but, he is still Carl Pavano. His injury risk is very high and his ability to totally suck is off the charts. Trading him while his value is the highest its been in 3 years, may be a good move, both for 2009 and for the future (considering money saved and players received in return).

Basically, willingness to trade Pavano is connected to the health and availability of other options for the rotation. If in the next month Westbrook, Lewis, Laffey, and Huff all look like good options (or some combination of them and out of organization acquisitions can make up a rotation behind Lee), I think Pavano should be traded. And I think that’s true if we are 1 game back or 20 games back.

by Ryan Kelsey on Jun 12, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

When has Pavano sucked for any length of time, when healthy?

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jun 12, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re kind of harshing the buzz.

Steel Nick

by nickjs21 on Jun 11, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an even better excuse to take a break from LGT

by world dictator on Jun 11, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope – but the random wireless signal in my apartment is entirely unexpected. I’ll actually head out to the field Saturday, at which point I really will be gone for awhile.

by APV on Jun 11, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Strip in Canton.

by Brick. on Jun 12, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just an old sweet song keeps Georgia on my … mind.

by fleerdon on Jun 12, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see Slewis went 3 perfect innings in Lake County tonight. Westbrook got rained out. Someone hit a HR in Columbus. And I see Lofgren continues to stick it out in Columbus.

by APV on Jun 11, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If we can keep winning 4 games a week…

FE WEE

by westbrook on Jun 12, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So true, if we’re winning 2/3 of our games and Detroit’s only winning only 1/2, then we can make up enough ground to make our head to head’s with them matter.

Here’s hoping.

-Kyle

by Kyle Garret on Jun 12, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we win 2/3 of our remaining games and Detroit only wins 1/2 (head-to-head games aside), they would have to go 10-2 against us the rest of the year to tie.

We’re almost certainly not going to win 2/3 of our remaining games. Detroit might only win 1/2 of theirs though.

by Logodaedalus on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game in Columbus last night. Someone also made some good plays defensively. Lofgren had a rough start but got a bit better and a bit lucky as the game wore on

by JK in CBus on Jun 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping Shoppach is in line for a monster second half. His line drive percentage is at a career high, and his BABIP is at a career low (.292) so far this season; his frustration must be boundless. He probably wants to beat the crap out of every single pitch that comes his way right now, but sooner or later he’ll start hitting balls somewhere other than right at a fielder (I hope).

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/player/3867/

by MTF on Jun 12, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m not yet a believer in Marte. He’s nearly returned to his 2005 AAA performance level, except this season he’s mostly hitting singles and not very many extra base hits (about half the rate per hit as in 2005). I’d still consider him trade bait if someone came along with an offer, unless he starts showing a little more power. On the other hand, I do love Fat Tire. Anchor Steam is pretty good too.

by MTF on Jun 12, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, his slugging % is .500 right now with 10 doubles and 5 home runs. His slugging % in his breakout year at Richmond was .506. I am not sure where you determined that he isn’t hitting for power

by Roger Dorn on Jun 12, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

In his 2005 year, 48 of his 107 hits were for extra bases (about 45%). Thus far this year, 17 of his 50 hits (34%) are for extra bases. Not a bad rate, but also not what you would hope to see from a guy in his fourth year in AAA. That’s all I was looking at, and I readily admit I may be letting simple skepticism overrule what should be an open mind.

by MTF on Jun 12, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn’t hope to see a guy in his fourth year of Triple-A at all.

Either a guy is hitting well, with a sustainable approach, or he isn’t. Right now, I’d say Marte has not cleared that bar. What he has perhaps done is reassert his potential, but that’s not the same thing.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Jay on Jun 12, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of these days I’m going to reassert my potential as a good poster on LGT.

-Erik

by drerikbrady on Jun 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

fortunately, we’re a patient bunch

by APV on Jun 12, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marte’s walk-to-strikeout-to-walk ratio is still pretty miserable too at 1:3.8 with 12 strike-outs and no walks in last 42 at bats. That’s pretty much in-line with his ratio from last year, which doesn’t show an improved approach to each at bat.

How many years did Casey Blake play in AAA?

by ShawnK on Jun 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, another way to look at it is that in a sample size more than double that of his last ten games, he had about one walk for every two strikeouts, and for whatever reason he hasn’t had the right approach at the plate for the past couple of weeks. Overall, I’d agree that Marte is getting back to where we all thought he should have been a few years ago, which really isn’t that much of a compliment.

Casey Blake played 110 games in AAA in 1999, 110 in 2000, 94 in 2001 and 126 in 2002. He managed to appear in 49 MLB games over that time before making his full-time debut in Cleveland in 2003. Lets not use Blake as the poster boy for anything, however. Except facial hair.

by FredOx on Jun 12, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poster boy no. But he does give hope to all those career AAA guys that they might still make $5 million a year.

by ShawnK on Jun 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me Marte grit and I’ll consent to this.

Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.

by USSChoo on Jun 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

“DeRo’s best defensive position is at 3rd” (3 of 8 appearances)

“We’re trying to give JP some time to adjust to see if moving him to 3rd is a good long term move” (1 of 8 appearances)

“Carroll’s worst defensive position is third” (4 of 8 appearances)

Great job, Wedge! You hit the trifecta.

Nice job filling in for Adam, Dave!

"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter

by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 12, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Carroll might run into one, you never know

by Roger Dorn on Jun 12, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

More likely under, what with his small stature.

Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.

by USSChoo on Jun 13, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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