Sizemore to be activated Tuesday; Cabrera to Columbus
From the Fixing Things That Aren't Really The Problem Department:
"Center fielder Grady Sizemore says he should be activated Tuesday against Pittsburgh at PNC Park. Cabrera, meanwhile, said he'll report to Class AAA Columbus on Monday to begin a rehab assignment after straining the A/C joint in his left shoulder."
In other news, Ryan Garko's wrist isn't broken. This is good news to Mrs. Garko, who has a framed print of geraniums she'd like hung in the kitchen.
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Isn’t the problem, at its most basic, that they score fewer runs than they prevent?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
The Indians are third in runs scored, so offense shouldn’t be a problem. Bringing Sizemore back should help both offense and run prevention, given that he’s replacing either Trevor Crowe in the lineup or Ben Francisco in center field.
regarding the offense,
It’s “not really the problem” in the sense that changes on the other side of the ball might be more efficient.
But it can be improved, and we’re not at some turning point where more runs scored is not helpful (like its a roto category). If we’re still trying to win games, we want to squeez out every run we can.
Doesn’t help the problem if we neglect that Grady’s defense in centerfield is a massive upgrade to the preventing the other team from scoring runs
Right, and Cabrera upgrades short and second.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t have to be 2003 Torii Hunter out there to represent a huge upgrade over Francisco. I’ve never seen Crowe play center.
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not pushing for any more playing time for Crowe at all, but he made a sensational catch in CF during the 22-4 game at NYY, made all the more remarkable by the fact that the game was a blowout.
by JulioBernazard on Jun 23, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He also failed to come down with that ball the very next day off the bat of Posada that probably would have won us the game
Um… yes. I don’t think his defense ever really took a downturn. Unless you’re arguing that after a few weeks without playing in a real game he may be a little rusty.
The point really is would you rather have BenFran or Grady out there?
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I still think he is. And you’ll probably have a tough time convincing me otherwise. I can’t think of any times this year when he hasn’t been even when I try not to be biased.
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He can’t be an A+ when his arm is only average. He just can’t be.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
But his arm has never been good so saying anymore doesn’t work either. I don’t ever say his arm is good I’m not that crazy.
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I feel like you’re both right. In my book Grady is somewhere between A and A-, but the amount of mental mistakes made in the field are very minimal, making whatever he ranks very very consistent.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
My purely subjective view of his defense has him falling from an A to an A-. But, I mean, so what? He’s GRADY SIZEMORE.
This is where I am. I mean no matter what his arm is like or whatever he’s still Grady. I’d call him an A-grade center fielder at this point.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys aren’t going to like it, but I’d say he’s B+. Some strange routes to balls, and weird reads. Maybe he’s been favoring his elbow, but he’s no longer a top-tier defender to me.
We’ll have to agree to disagree then because I just don’t see it. The one thing that stayed consistent this year for me anyway was his defense. I will admit there were a few balls I thought he could have had but never any that he SHOULD have had and I usually chalk this up to me thinking he can and should get anything hit in his general direction. I also think he should go 5 for 5 with 2 home runs, a triple, and a stolen base. I am also aware this is completely irrational so I never took my criticisms too seriously. I was just never that disappointed in his defense this year so I really didn’t think anything had really changed because every year I see balls that I think he could/should have caught. Maybe I’m just less critical than you are about defense.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 22, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah. I think if you take offense with defense he is a pretty darn good center fielder. I never wanted to imply I thought he was the best center fielder based on defense only because he clearly is not. I just do think he is a huge upgrade to what we have now.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 23, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I could be mistaken, but I thought that range-wise he still graded near the best in the league. His arm is definitely below average. My comment referred to upgrading though, I was really just comparing his to BenFran
Wish list (players):
demote Crowe
demote or whatever to BenFran
keep Valbuena
Promote the Door, again.
not that it will make any difference in the standings, but it could give us some reason to follow this team.
…related to Francisco, recall Matt LaPorta and stick him in left field when Hafner’s in the lineup, and DH when Hafner isn’t in the lineup.
by Ryan on Jun 22, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Door will be up in a week. I suspect Brantley will be making an August appearance, maybe post-All star
yes. please. we can throw in grako, right? maybe we’ll get an extra fungo or a lightly used radar gun?
watching the youngsters fail isn’t so bad and when they succeed its a party, not so much, “well he should be doing that,” as it is with veterans.
The best part of this news is what it signals about what the club knows about the two injuries. Given the course of the season at this point, I’d imagine there’s no reason to rush either Grady or Astrocab back to the majors unless they’re at 100%.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
That’s Scenario I. Scenario II is that they’re letting Grady set his own timetable for return. There’s also a Scenario III, which involves Grady playing as a way of killing time until an OR becomes available.
I think there would be a limit to letting him set his own timetable if the trainers thought there was any risk of aggravating the injury or making it more likely to become a chronic problem. Scenario III makes me even more depressed, if that’s possible.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot to mention I really like this line:
In other news, Ryan Garko’s wrist isn’t broken. This is good news to Mrs. Garko, who has a framed print of geraniums she’d like hung in the kitchen.
That sounds about right.
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A little to your left. No.. your other left.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Finally some guys gettin’ back. Semi decent news
How about a lineup of:
SS-Cabrera
2B-Valbuena
C-Victor
RF-Choo
CF-Sizemore
DH-Hafner
1B-LaPorta
3B-Peralta
LF-Brantley
Umm…damn! That looks pretty menacing. That gives you speed at the bottom in front of Cabrera and Valbuena (who is still hitting the ball on the nose and finally seeing results). Oh, and yes, that is Sizemore in the 5 slot…WHERE HE BELONGS! The nice part here is that when you move Victor to 1B, have LaPorta DH for Haf who still needs days off. Look at this, nobody has to do major moving.
Let’s ship Crowe back to AAA, sell off Derosa, Garko, and Benny. We already have a great utility guy in Carrol. Resign him and go forward. Enough of the Atomic Wedgie Shuffle.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
Sizemore will be batting second — where he really does belong — almost certainly when Cabrera returns and very possibly sooner.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I’m alright with Sizemore batting 2nd, but I’d rather have the extra pop behind Choo Choo Twain. But Sizemore is a great 2 hole option
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
PS. Since this season is shot anyhoo, I say get rid of the bad attitude—Jhonny P and bring up Weglarz too
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Understand, but what can it hurt…WE SUCK ANYWAY! Not to be critical, but the older duds we’ve got are either hurt or not performing, so why not. Can’t hurt
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it can hurt to bring up a young player who isn’t ready
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough….didn’t give it much thought at first, but how about Marte or Brown or Aubrey?
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have no problem bringing up Brown, if we could ditch Garko.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I guess I like peralta… i think the first move should be to see what you can get for Derosa and then filling holes from there.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade em straight up to Pittsburg for a pitching machine, a little league coach, six hot dogs, a bag of used baseballs, and some dirty uniforms
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though, Dero and Garko have value. Peralta and Benny, probably not much more than AA prospect relief pitching. But benny has no future with Laporta, Brantley, Sizemore, and Choo in the outfield; and Peralta has never been a favorite.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Peralta has and has always had a lot more value than Garko, regardless of whether he’s been a “favorite” of fans with short brain stems.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay then…I think St. Louis is looking for a 3rd Baseman. Seems like Peralta could be a player that with LaRussa riding could be a good fit
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe…but I lived in St. Louis for 15 years, and LaRussa loves projects that he can mold and hold up to the world, like “Look what I turned this bum into.”
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This assumes that Peralta is a bum and not the best (or second best) hitting shortstop in franchise history.
I become an expert simply by doing something.
Joe Sewell has your best hitting…
OK, I’m done.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Like, TLR the old video countdown show from MTV? Probably true.
Ride on ye fearsome Horsemen of the Basketball Apocalypse. We got this.
by Turkmenbashi on Jun 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be TRL. And I’m gonna go ahead and punch myself for knowing that.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
Oh is that what he meant? I didn’t even catch that. I was a little confused. I think it’s perfectly acceptable for you to know that if it makes you feel better.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 22, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I think Turk was referring to TRL. I understood the TLR from everyone else above.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If Wedge is gone, then you’d really be selling low on Peralta.
And if St. Louis needs a third baseman, they’ll want DeRosa.
Give em Dero…his value couldn’t be higher right now
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
cubs fan here
what would you guys want for us getting him back? i’m not rabid about bringing him back, but some on the board are.
i’m guessing you’d want a couple pitchers, one in the bigs and one that’s a prospect.
from st. louis, pj mathews and a guy in their pen now.
from the cubs, one of the guys you sent us, plus, hmmmm… not sure.
i want to let the cubs board know what value you’d expect in return, as opposed to ‘bad arm, longshot prospect, and contract we want to dump.’
hang in there.
dero is better than motte
motte is similar to our guzman.
would you guys want guzman for dero? or ascanio plus stevens/gaub/or archer?
i am not necessarily saying to do a dero motte trade straight up. there is also a lot to think about when making a trade other than present talent level.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i should hope not
but it sounds like the cards won’t give motte for dero. i would think you should hold out for pj mathews plus a pen arm in the motte range.
good luck with getting something good for him.
I’ve only seen him pitch a few times, but I’m fairly convinced that Motte is awful. I have a very hard time imagining him being successful in Cleveland if we did happen to end up with him.
by Chief Wahoo on Jun 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Motte may be one of those guys that may succeed under Dave Duncan. I don’t see him doing well in Cleveland. Same with Walters from what I’ve seen.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 22, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, I’d be surprised to see Motte succeed anywhere.
by Chief Wahoo on Jun 22, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’ve actually given up on this season as we probably should, Shapiro’s usual fire sale M.O. seems to be to just get the best talents he can get from the most desperate/foolish GMs he can find. Everyone please correct me if I’m wrong.
So if DeRosa is traded back to the Cubs, it will be for a prospect that your front office has always seemed to undervalue. And everyone on your message board will say: “No, not him!”
I mean, Shapiro got Carlos Santana for Casey frickin’ Blake. Trading is like the one thing everyone still agrees he does well.
yabbut
casey blake was hitting cleanup last night for the best record team in the nl.
On a free agent contract. Not our bag.
by fleerdon on Jun 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Check out this thread for a more DeRosa-specific discussion.
Given the fact that it’s mid-season, you should expect a re-stocking fee.
by fleerdon on Jun 22, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
San Diego is always looking for good rbi guys (like Garko)…I’d take anything at this point to help our beleaguered bullpen
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha…that’d be nice wouldn’t it….bummer we lost him to begin with.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, not a bummer…a crying shame we couldn’t git him to perform here…or maybe its a management issue…
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and in san diego, pitchers stats in san diego are fairly unreliable
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
though his away numbers are pretty good too
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I just looked at Eddie Moos stats. It made me want to go eat something so I could throw up…
Stuart Dean
Difference between pitching with the Atomic Wedgie calling the shots and a manager who understand baseball! Very sad.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, that’s it. Not the pitchers park, not the horrid competition level, but the manager. Mujica has less than a season of decent pitching under his belt in the NL West and you are crying Brandon Phillips. Come on.
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by Brad D on Jun 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m crying Brandon Phillips, but in the appropriate way one should cry Brandon Phillips. That is: sometimes all a guy needs to excel is a change of scenery and a chip on his shoulder.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
Can we at least wait until Mujica has a good season? It’s June.
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i dont think anyones front office values RBI’s very much anymore.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that apostrophe is going to kill me.
Trade Cliff.
by Gradyforpresident on Jun 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What I meant, is with that park, they’re looking for guys that aren’t looking to drive the ball over the wall everytime. Garko has good alley power, that would look good sitting at firstbase for them. Mostly I’m just a Garko fan, and he deserves to go somewhere where he can play everyday. Good kid…deserves a chance
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I see the point you are trying to make, but they have Adrian Gonzalez at 1B, a far superior player to Garko. Unfortunately, I don’t think Garko has the ability to play anywhere else
Sadly you’re right…but I believe that there is probably at least one team that would find Garko’s bat valuable….just sat that Wedge doesn’t see his 90+ rbi bat as valuable
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Garko has never surpassed 90 RBI in his career. Given his defensive limitations, and struggle to post an OPS over .800 which for a 1B is quite poor, I think the case for demoting Garko is way stronger than playing him more
i think its fair to like Garko as a person. But i have a real problem with first baseman with no power.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i like garko as an emergency catcher though
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i wasn’t being all that serious.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We joke, but this is a legit reason to root for Giminez. If he can push 800 OPS part-time with some pop, given his positional flexibility, he’s basically the guy Wedge likes to pretend that Garko is.
by fleerdon on Jun 22, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Padres already have a pretty good option at first base right now….
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Garko would look awfully good hitting popups in Petco.
by odradek on Jun 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, anybody know if Wedge has been fired yet. he asks down on knees praying that there is a God, and he has been fired
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
Well you broke my heart putting Grady in the fifth spot in the lineup up there so I guess we’re even. :)
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i think wedge getting fired would overall be a good thing, but i dont really think it’d be anything great. they may go on a good run just because there is some sort of change, but i dont really blame wedge for too much.
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’ll do some good, but this team has other big issues. I just hope he’s fired so he returns home here to Fort Wayne with me and we can play bingo on Tuesday evenings!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but my God it’d be something
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by Turkmenbashi on Jun 22, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
FTF already linked to Castrovince’s post for the day. Doesn’t look like it’s happening.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody rip my heart out with a spoon. I was serious about playing playing bingo with him. I live a couple of blocks from him here in Fort Wayne. Nice guy, bad manager.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s partial to dominoes.
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by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
my favorite LGT moment in my short time on this was when Marte was DFA’d
by I'd give my legs for Wegz on Jun 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know what the chance of Carlos Santana moving up to AAA anytime soon? I’m thinking he’s ready, although I don’t get to see him play everyday.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
well, you’ve already been called up too soon. no sense rushing him to the big time as well.
by Brick. on Jun 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not for rushing him, just wondering what the word on the street was. Player development is a big part of this game. I just hope we do right by him. He’s gunna be a good one.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 22, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the recent Smoke Signals fan shot. The Indians have four defensively adequate catchers above Santana. They’re not going to bring up the work in process unless a) he goes nuclear down there — like 1100 OPS nuclear, can’t contain him, or b) they have no other choice.
by fleerdon on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
From the odds and ends dep’t: some guys are heating up in the minors, Scott Lewis had another decent go yesterday, allowing only one hit over four innings of work. The aformentioned Michael Brantley had his 12th straight game without a strikeout, which has to be some sort of Indians organizational record. Matthew McBride went 3 for 4 and he is now 10 for his last 30, with 4 doubles and 2 HR’s in the mix. Cheerful news may be off-topic around these parts today, but hey, it can’t hurt.
The aformentioned Michael Brantley had his 12th straight game without a strikeout, which has to be some sort of Indians organizational record.
Joe Sewell has your organizational record right here!
/Makes offensive gesture
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 22, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
From Pluto this weekend:
Assistant GM Chris Antonetti spent the week scouting Class AAA Columbus and came away impressed with Michael Brantley. Brantley opened the season batting .217 (.574 OPS) in April, hit .261 (.726 OPS) in May and is at .348 (.822 OPS) in June. He’s 20-of-22 in stolen bases and is a natural center fielder. If Grady Sizemore can’t come back from his elbow injury, the Indians could turn to Brantley soon. They also could return Trevor Crowe to the minors and call up Brantley. But they would want to make sure Brantley plays a lot if he comes to Cleveland. “He is progressing very quickly,” said Antonetti, who also praised the play of catcher Wyatt Toregas (hitting .291 on the season).
Brantley is not in the lineup tonight.
In other news today, the Cleveland Indians announced they will begin their traditional second half surge to mediocrity early this year, actually beginning in June, which is still the first half. We asked a random fan on the street whether he thought this meant the season might turn out differently than 2008, and this is what he had to say:
“It’s called a surge to mediocrity…………so, no.”
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by JulioBernazard on Jun 23, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That was 50 cent night at the Dollar Theater when I was in high school. We used to call it “Cheap Date Tuesdays”
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The combo of the movies and the Quake, I mean
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 23, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Erie. We had the second and third Quaker Steak.
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by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 23, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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