Carmona to Lake County
Starting tonight. Don't call it a comeback.
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Also in that twitter feed… Wegz and Santana give us a reason to watch the All-Star festivities.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions
Wonder if it will update when non-positive news comes out?
Regardless, seems like the place to go first to get announcements.
by FallsTribeFan on Jun 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
“161st consecutive non-sellout!”
“Tribe officially out of contention.”
“Agent M draws 20th walk!” (Late August edition)
“Jonathan Sanchez makes first start for the Indians tonight”
“Joel Skinner performs one-half of one-handed push-up!”
by fleerdon on Jun 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
“Pavano found hiding in bushes; arrested”
“Sizemore says “I hate playing for Cleveland”"
“Wedge admits C Hernandez inferior to predecessor”
“Garko starts 50th game in outfield”
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 25, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Wedge signed to lifetime contract”
“Bus accident in Cincinnati; Bavasi killed”
“North Korea invades South Korea”
“Shapiro announces: ‘We need to trade Lee for some good RBI guys… you know, like Ryan Garko’”
“Dolans fire Shapiro for mental instability; replace him with vampire Bill Bavasi”
“Indians trade A. Cabrera for D. Cabrera”
“Sizemore, LaPorta, Brantley enlist in military to fight reunited communist Korea in WWIII”
“Vampire Bavasi threatens to eat Dolans’ children, grandchildren; secures himself a contract for eternity”
by Logodaedalus on Jun 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
“Choo successfully avoids Korean military obligation, but now has to fight for United States army against his former country in WWIII due to draft”
I assumed he left to defend his country out of a sense of patriotic duty… but yours has more irony, or tragic inevitability, or whatever you want to call it.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
6.1 IP, 1 hit, 1 BB, 7 K, 0 runs for Fausto tonight
by InfiniteMonkeyTypists on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
Considering just two years ago Toorii Huunteer said something along the lines of Fausto’s stuff being retarded, i’d rather see a line like 6.1 IP, 0 H, 13 K, -1 runs in Single A before i get optimistic..
You know Selig? Ombudsman.
As I said in the game thread, this might be good, it might be meaningless. It’s impossible to tell without having seen him pitch. On the one hand, he could be getting strikeouts instead of walks because the hitters aren’t familiar with him and are swinging at a lot of stuff out of the strikezone. On the other hand, even dominating pitchers will walk one guy in six innings, and it’s not as though Fausto depends on strikeouts when he’s at his best.
If he puts together several of these in a row, I’ll start paying attention.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 25, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that different than any rehab assignment?
by world dictator on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not, fundamentally. It’s at a lower level than they usually are, which means a little bit, but you obviously can never read too much into rehab stat lines. But it can’t be a bad sign…
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
A swinging strike isn’t, necessarily. But like I said, it can’t be bad that he only walked one.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A strike is not a strike at any level. Umpiring is very inconsistent. There’s a reason that minor league umpires are in the minor leagues.
by woodsmeister on Jun 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Umpiring is inconsisent, but is there any reason to think that strike zones are systematically larger at lower levels? I would think they would be more variable, but not necessarily biased in one direction or the other.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yes, I agree… unless he’s getting a lot more swings at balls out of the zone. In which case what would have been walks might turn into other things.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
An umpire who knows that Carmona is on rehab from the Bigs might be more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt as a former major leaguer. Or he might have lucked into an umpire who characteristically gives the low strike.
Pitch monitoring and grading, whether with QuesTec or some other system, has tended to make major league umpiring more consistent, though there are outliers like CB Bucknor and Dana DeMuth. I don’t think you can say the same in the minors.
by woodsmeister on Jun 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s possible he’s getting the benefit of the doubt. It’s also possible he’s lucked into an umpire who is liberal on the low side of the strike zone, but what I’m saying is, it seems equally likely (a priori, anyway) that he would get an umpire who’s less willing than average to give the low strike. If the latter is the case, then that makes his single walk even more impressive.
In any event, again, it doesn’t seem to me there’s a whole lot we can glean from these numbers.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even know why you guys are debating this. He pitched 6 no-hit innings. That may or may not be a positive indicator – but it is basically impossible to say it could be bad.
No one is saying it’s bad. I’ve twice said that it can’t be bad. I agree with ClemsonGirl — we need to see more than one of these before we get excited about it.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
but what did the ballboy eat for lunch that day? if it was chicken wings, then he could have greased up the balls causing better movement for fausto. this whole outing could be one huge mirage, so we might as well toss out those numbers.
Oh, c’mon. No one is arguing for tossing out the numbers either. Just waiting until there are more, and then interpreting them together.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 26, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This was the point I was trying to make.
There’s no reason to comb through and question Carmona’s minor league stat line and fawn over Westbrook’s
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It is if you buy into the theory that part of the problem is that major league hitters have figured out how to lay off the power sinker.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 26, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
neither do i. Carmona’s GB-rates have never really diminished, meaning people are still swinging at his power sinker. The problem is he isn’t getting that sinker into the zone enough. So like Roger, I’m looking at his walks (though the Ks are nice, too). Also – Fausto is a first-ballot Lake County HOFer, right?
Worth mentioning that Carmona’s BB/9 in his minor league career is 1.7, and it doesn’t really jump when he ascends to another level.
That 1.7 BB/9 is much closer to his 2007 2.5 than it is to 5.2 or 6.1, his totals for 2008 and 2009, respectively.
They love him in Lake County, absolutely.
by dgcambridge on Jun 26, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
These stat lines have already been posted here, but this is what Kevin Goldstein has to say:
Fausto Carmona, RHP, Indians (Low-A Lake County)
Thursday’s stats: 6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K
Now of course, a guy like Fausto Carmona is supposed to dominate in the Sally League, but at least he did. His fastball sat in the low 90s with its signature sink, while his command and secondary pitches were surprisingly sharp. With the big league club losing eight of ten games and suddenly 12 games out, they’ll take all the good news they can get.
Nick Weglarz, OF, Indians (Double-A Akron)
Thursday’s stats: 1-for-1, HR (11), R, RBI, 4 BB
Home runs and walks are what Weglarz brings to the table, and he showed why on Thursday night by going deep for the third straight game and is batting a healthy .324/.471/.634 in 22 games this month. He’s a hard prospect to truly evaluate, as he’s a 21-year-old player already with a old player skillset, but it’s a pretty nice skill set to have.
by cleveland teamer on Jun 26, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
Four walks and a home run?
This kind of screams “needs to be promoted to a level where the pitchers are capable of fooling him.”
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Wegz needs to make it to the bigs this season to keep pace with Adam Dunn’s career ascent, which in turn I will lord over Adam at every opportunity.
by fleerdon on Jun 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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