Mark DeRosa has been traded to St. Louis
by Ryan on Jun 28, 2009 1:49 AM EDT
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Mark DeRosa has been dealt to St. Louis for RHP Chris Perez and a (non-trivial) PTBNL.
CastroTurf: DeRosa to the Cardinals
DeRosa, a subject of trade rumors almost from the time he first slipped on an Indians uniform, is on the block no more. The Indians have traded the versatile veteran to the Cardinals for right-hander Chris Perez and a player to be named later. GM Mark Shapiro said the PTBN component is an important one, akin to the Coco Crisp and Michael Brantley acquisitions in the past.
On the player and PTBNL received from the Cardinals:
Tribe deals DeRosa to Cards for Perez | indians.com: News
Perez, who turns 24 on July 1, has spent the majority of 2009 in the Cardinals' bullpen, going 1-1 with a save and a 4.18 ERA in 29 appearances. He began the year at Triple-A Memphis, where he was 1-0 with two saves and a 0.00 ERA in four innings of work. Major Leaguers have hit just .195 off him. Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said the player to be named component is an important part of the deal for the Indians. They will evaluate their options over the remainder of the Minor League season.
The AP story has some quotes from DeRosa and Shapiro:
Cleveland Indians ship infielder Mark DeRosa to St. Louis Cardinals for reliever Chris Perez - ESPN
DeRosa didn't play in the Indians' 7-3 loss to Cincinnati. The trade was announced immediately after the game."We felt the time was right to maximize the value Mark had," Indians general manager Mark Shapiro said. Perez, who turns 24, on July 1, has a 4.18 ERA in 29 appearances with a 1-1 record and one save.
Shapiro hopes he can help Cleveland's beleagured bullpen, which is a major reason the Indians are 31-45. "He throws 93 to 95 [mph]," Shapiro said. "He had back end stuff and the ability to get a strikeout."
Some scouting reports on Chris Perez (thanks to world dictator):
Prospect Profile: Chris Perez « Future Redbirds
If you just look at his K’s and opponents batting averages (not shown), he’s just been scary good. The big issue: Perez can be his own worst enemy. In 84 professional innings, he’s allowed just 43 hits, but has walked 60, hit 13 batsmen and thrown 13 wild pitches. The big oddity with Perez is his handling of left-handed batters. He is equally tough to hit facing either, and strikes both out with regularity, but he walks them twice as often. (10.31 BB/9 against 5.2 BB/9.)
Cards Closer Candidate: Chris Perez | FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball
When Perez reached St. Louis in mid-May, he continued to tantalize with his K rates and high-octane stuff while also frustrating with his command hiccups. On the positive side, Perez highlighted his closer-worthy talent, pumping in fastballs at an average of 95.2 MPH (used 75% of the time) and complementing the heater with an 85.1 MPH slider (utilized nearly a quarter of the time). That dastardly combo led to plenty of swings and misses, as Perez punched out 9.07 batters per nine innings in 41.2 frames. Control, however, continued to elude the portly right-hander: he allowed 4.75 BB/9, which led to a 4.33 FIP.
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So everyone is here. OK. Bullpen arm and PTBNL, I think, and LaPorta comes up tomorrow (from the other thread).
We get Perez. What team is he going to? Who is Perez?
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t see the other thread, but that’s nice — LaPorta can play every day and Francisco can still get starts when they rest Grady.
Good moves, I think.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently I misunderstood Shapiro.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, someone else mentioned The Date, which makes sense.
Still, I’d imagine he’ll get regular time after that.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 27, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa is going to the Cardinals. We are getting Chris Perez and a PTBNL (Shap says it will be a significant guy).
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let the PTBNL speculation begin…
Kudos to Buck Showalter as Baseball Tonight closed out… “You trade with Cleveland, that PTBNL will be a darned good player”.
And then I think Eduardo Perez made some self-effacing joke
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope it’s Colby Rasmus
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would probably make me scream like a 12-year-old girl. My two favorite baseball players on the same team. Party time. It won’t be Rasmus though so everyone can forget this.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, but it will be someone who is awesome but we just don’t know how awesome yet.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better be as good as Brantley!
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better beas good asgreater than Brantley!
I can dream, can’t I?
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it’s Albert Pujols!
by Cleveland Indians on Jun 28, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Wow. WOW.
Perez has sick stuff. Great trade.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You couldn’t have traded DeRosa to a different division, though?
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 27, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, this is family site.
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bleed Cubbie Blue fan reaction is…amusing.
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleed Cubbie Blue Bleed.
Fixed that for you.
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by battlekow on Jun 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The subject lines scared me away. Are we the only team SBNation site that gets it?
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At DBN, the Browns’ site, we got most people to stop using them. We’re still working on people at FTS, the Cavs’ site; most regulars don’t use subject lines but we get a lot of new people stopping by who haven’t learned. But I don’t know of any other team site besides the Cleveland ones who don’t use them.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 28, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before I started DBN, I was a reader/non-poster at LGT. You guys inadvertently nurtured me to refrain from using subject lines over there. Although, I do favor not having a title, regardless.
At least it’s not the days when subject lines were pre-filled in (SBN 1.0)
Dawgs By Nature - Covering the Cleveland Browns on SB Nation.
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 1, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that’s what led us to this point. Subject lines were pre-filled by default at LGT, but on nearly all other sites, they were blank by default. And I don’t think this was something anyone over here chose, but we definitely developed an attitude that it was strange having to “title” every post, and it was hard to read everyone’s posts if you had to read the subject.
So then SBN 2.0 hits, and nobody’s subjects are auto-filling, here or elsewhere. So right away — and I will take credit for this — I had the idea, let’s see if we can get everyone to just skip the subject, because we never liked reading the subject elsewhere, and it just clutters things up. And people were willing to go along with it.
I actually wrote a suggestion to SBN, asking that either (a) we be allowed to just “turn off” the subject function, so that it would disappear on our site, or (b) that they get rid of subjects for “reply” comments globally, which you would think would be sensible and doable and who would ever miss them? But neither ever happened.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 1, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The LL guys actually want to require them. I’ve posted on other SBN sites and been asked to use them. I don’t get it — to me it’s like shouting a few words for no apparent reason, Pacino-style. But whatevs. I guess I’ll manage for my 5 annual Brew Crew Ball posts.
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never been asked, I don’t think. I like to think of my posts as naturally boldfaced.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really awful in game threads
I guess I can tolerate it everywhere else, but what the hell is the point of using a live-updating web app if you’re going to format it like a ’90s AOL forum?
by fleerdon on Jul 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is sort of the tragedy. With the live-update format, what they’ve done is create a killer hybrid of a forum and a multi-user chat. And the subject line screws it up entirely. Subjects make no sense in a chat, and traditional forum formats were never intended for generating hundreds of messages in a single thread in an hour.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was very amusing.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I really need to post Kerry Wood’s stats and compare them to Chris Perez’s?
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I hear the PTBNL has an amazing walk rate compared to Garko
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As does Chris Perez.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say I knew this was coming
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good move for next year, I think. ONLY 15 walks in 23.2 makes him better than anyone else in our bullpen.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 27, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And awaaaay we go.
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Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on Jun 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shapiro said that LaPorta won’t be coming up immediately (Cabrera will be taking DeRosa’s spot), but you’d have to think it’s a matter of time before he’s up.
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay can probably answer that better than I can. I thought it was some time in July.
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re past it.
There’s only 99 days left in the season now, and LaPorta already has 24 days in the majors. That means he can’t amass more than 123 days, which is safely below any past Super 2 threshold.
The bigger problem at this point is Valbuena, who needs just two weeks in the minors to push back his walk year by a full season. He’s got one hit in the last five games, by the way.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops. I thought he was talking about bringing up LaPorta now? It was difficult to get anything from that press conference since WTAM joined it right in the middle.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Chris Perez. I don’t like this trade (yet). I’m withholding full judgment until we find out the PTBNL.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jun 27, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When do we find out who the PTBNL is?
…also, I wonder if there’s a post season clause built in, ala CC
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re gonna kick STL’s ass in the WS.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was wondering the exact same thing. i guess i’ll be rooting for the cardinals to win that division.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jun 27, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will DeRo have Pujols “protecting” him? That’d be sick.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking about this and I don’t know. Colby (Rasmus, we’re on a first name basis, meaning I call him by his first name and is unaware of my existence) is a pretty good #2 hitter. He has been struggling recently though so they may move him down. If they keep Colby at #2 DeRo probably bats 4-6 in the lineup is my guess.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d keep Ludwick at 4 if he can stay healthy.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn’t been hitting as well sometimes this year. I think he’s been better recently. But they like Colby’s speed at the top of the order so don’t be surprised if DeRosa’s hitting lower in the lineup.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, you sound like my wife. She’s mad that the Indians traded DeRosa because he’s one of her “boyfriends” on the team. She’s got quite a few: Grady (of course), Cliff, and Ryan Garko. Casey Blake was one also before he got traded.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say it ain’t so!
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously… if we have a “St Lou needs to make the playoffs for us to choose the PTBNL” clause… then Shapiro isn’t doing his job… with the supposedly robust DeRosa market.
And I don’t mean the other jobs, the poor drafts, the Wedge defense, the crafting of the bullpen, yada, yada… we’re talking about what he does best…. the month before the deadline because we’re way out of it… deadline steal job.
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny, because that’s the same thing people said during the CC trade and then we wound up getting Brantley
Like I said then, for all we know STL might have beaten out other teams for DeRosa’s services by promising to boost the quality of the PTBNL if they made the post season.
So for example, if the market price for DeRosa was A- and C+ level prospects, Shapiro might have squeezed the last drop out of STL by making them upgrade the 2nd player if they made the playoffs
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the argument… but I almost feel more people were into DeRosa than C.C. (not saying we weren’t getting a better return from C.C. of course).
C’mon… that whole playoff-centric we get to choose the PTBNL clause was more of a finishing touches point on the deal; I suppose it’s possible it happens again here, just find it unlikely
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think it’s likely either. I bet the reason it’s a PTBN at all is that Shapiro wanted extra scouting time.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 27, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but you’re still not supporting the “PTBNL= Shapiro didn’t do his job” argument, which was my point.
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes… I’m not supporting it. If, in your example, the floor side of the equation is only a C+ PTBNL… as opposed to a B/B-… guy.
OK, my head is starting to hurt.
by cheech99 on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it… if it IS playoff combined, it usually opens up the option for a player that the team didn’t want to part with, ala Brantley.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are not getting the same quality return for DeRo that we did CC. Let that dream go
by Roger Dorn on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ the fans’ reactions on the Facebook Cleveland Indians group. Just wow.
UNBELIEVABLE THIS IS THE WORST TRADE EVER GET SHAPIRO OUT OF HERE
JESUS THIS IS AWFUL
Very funny.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a good one from cleveland.com:
Yes but we keep this Manager that looks like a homeless drunk from skid row and seems more brain dead than anyone there. And have you seen Willis lately. Looks like he joined Wedge there on skid row.
by odradek on Jun 27, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
I mean, you can not like this trade. That’s fine. DeRosa is a fan favorite and an all-around great player; this I cannot deny. However, it’s like reading YouTube comments when you go to those sites.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Wedge is certainly more of a problem than DeRosa. Problem is, nobody’s going to give up a LivingBreathingReliefPitcher for 3-4 months of Wedge.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is, nobody’s going to give upa LivingBreathingReliefPitchereven a ham sandwhich for 3-4 months of Wedge.
fixed.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Translation: I have no comment on the trade but Wedge sucks and Willis has a scruffy beard just like Wedge and they both look like hobos and should be fired and fired into space in the direction of Alpha Centauri along with Michael Jackson.
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You got it! Where do I sign to make it happen?
by odradek on Jun 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t this deal seem like a win-win? It does to me.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, this might mean we see more of the human strikeout machine that is Kelly Shoppach, at least until LaPorta gets the call (I’m just guessing that Garko will head to the outfield more).
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 27, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If anything, it’ll mean playing time for Ben Francisco. For now, I hope.
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll need someone to play out there when Grady rests and Benny has to play center.
Maybe they’ll go with Gimenez.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Gimenez existed.. and I like the guy.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garko in the outfield is more painful than seeing Shoppach…
by Logodaedalus on Jun 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re both pretty painful.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arguing about this is like saying “Well, I’d rather have my LEFT foot hit with a hammer.” Yeah, maybe so, but it’s not pleasant either way.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wrong. Garko in the outfield in the lineup is far worse. Garko in the lineup at all isn’t much of a treat.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you consider Shoppach in the line-up as a threat, you and I have very different definitions of “threat.”
Although I suppose you could mean “threat to strikeout every time he’s at the plate.” In which case, I think you’re on to something.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
treat ≠ threat
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just really really hope Phifer isn’t next.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m positive that if Clifton is traded it will be for an enormous haul, and totally worth it.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of Perez scouting reports
Future Redbirds has a general scouting report
Baseball America ranked him as STL’s 3rd best prospect. They also listed his slider as best in the organization
Beyond The Box Score talks about his arm angle
Fangraphs has a nice summary
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, I will get to checking this out. I was looking for video but couldn’t find any.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks – I’ve posted a couple of the links in the main story. You’re quick!
by Ryan on Jun 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to FINALLY contribute something
…besides typos and accusations of being a jerk of course :-)
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re still a jerk.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 28, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Perez as closer
Perhaps Perez will audition as closer of the future and Kerry Wood will be on the trading block.
by LAIndianfan on Jun 27, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You got something on the top of your post there.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Minor quibble… I thought I could post on Vivos los Birdos.. or whatever the Cards SB Nation site is…. because of the new format, but it takes 2 days to register there I guess.
Seems like mixed reactions over there… wanted to post, well, you don’t know who the PTBNL is, but of course, couldn’t
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What did you want to say. I can comment for you.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s pretty alarming. According to Baseball America, the Cardinals were never able to get him to take his conditioning seriously.
by ken from alexandria on Jun 28, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to think this doesn’t affect Kerry Wood finishing games… affecting his 2011 vesting option, but it does make you wonder.
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
evilhomer2 wrote:
Stupid. DeRosa was our best move over the winter and now we send him away. And for what? A young promising fireballer and a player to be named. When are we going to stick with proven talent and stop taking chances on prospects?
6/27/2009 11:40:02 PM
by JRontherim on Jun 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CAN YOU BELIEVE WE DIDN’T GET COLE HAMELS FOR HIM?
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, Choo and Cabrera are worthless, more David D’s, please.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any idiot that owns baseball cards knows you don’t trade a Mark DeRosa for a Chris Perez!
by Toxicadam on Jun 28, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you don’t have to assume the PTBNL is a pitcher… but if it was… I don’t know… P.J. Walters?
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You would imagine Shapiro would ask for a pitcher, unless the position player he could get was really that much more talented…
by Logodaedalus on Jun 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God no. That would not be good from what I’ve seen.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are your thoughts on Perez?
by Logodaedalus on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but I still like the deal so there. Everyone I’m not as shallow as I apparently come off.
World Dictator: This is not necessarily directed at you. I’ve just been putting up with this all night so I am a little frustrated.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t seem shallow. My sister, on the other hand, is into Grady surely 90% for his cuteness. She also thought Blake was dreamy.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Grady couldn’t play baseball well I wouldn’t like him nearly as much. Case in point: Trevor Crowe. I wanted to like him so badly but he sucks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re getting a heavy dose of she-hate tonight, which is too bad.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’d probably be less frustrated if you didn’t take it so seriously.
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But c’mon… it’s a little sexist to say to someone you don’t actually know.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re assuming that I think she’s being sensitive because of her gender. In reality I’m not and you’ve just re-enforced the gender stereotype.
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? I wasn’t talking about sensitivity at all. I meant the “translation: is he cute” line.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the frequent commentary about Grady’s attractiveness, not to mention the attractiveness of other players, no I wouldn’t consider it sexist.
And of course, I’m not implying that the majority of her comments are about the attractiveness of various players. But it is a common refrain.
This is no different than poking fun at chuck anytime someone accuses the front office of lying/being deceiving.
The humor is based on both parties previous comments
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe but when you deal with it pretty much every time you say you’re an Indians fan from St. Louis it gets old really fast. When you are constantly told that you only like the Indians because Grady Sizemore is cute it gets a little hard to not take it seriously. And in print it’s hard to tell what someone really thinks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand where you’re coming from. But my point is that for the most part you should take everything said online with a grain of salt. Especially here on LGT where we regularly rib the people we like. I mean we make old guy remarks about Chuck all the time. And Jay, poor guy has to be compared to George Clooney all day. Talk about high expectations!
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn’t really think YOU meant anything by it. And I do take most things with a grain of salt. I just think it’s weird that tonight all of a sudden everyone seems to be saying it. I’m really okay. I was also half joking about people thinking I’m shallow. But it does get old. And I’ve been told to my face.
Again I really wasn’t that offended by your comment. It was just everything at once kind of thing.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise that from this day out I will search for new and unique ways to give you crap
;-)
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I like creativity.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sticking to facial hair, I think you’re missing the boat there.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I’ve thought about it. There are certain guys who can pull of facial hair but I have to know what they look like. If I picture a guy in my head with a beard it always worst case scenario for some reason.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That way you’re never let down by the facial hair, worst case is that it is what you expect. Ok, shutting up on facial hair before this blows up like it always does when I say those words.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grady couldn’t pull off a beard.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does need to grow that hair out though, his mini-fro used to be pretty cool.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like Cory from Boy Meets World.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a crush on Topanga, I’ll admit it.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable. I had a crush on Jack.
They really need to release the rest of that show.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it was Shawn, bad boy and all. See, there is hope for the “not so smart” guys everywhere.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack was smart. Are you confusing him with Eric? Eric’s the not-so-smart one. Jack’s the one standing on the far right. Matt Lawrence, Joey Lawrence’s younger brother.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you’re right I was. Jack was just an all around cool guy, not a bad choice.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This kid on that NYC Prep show that’s supposed to be the “real Gossip Girl” looks exactly like Matt Lawrence, but with even worse hair.
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what guy didn’t? Especially in the later years
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can watch her weekly again, she hosts The Dish on the Style channel.
by talonk on Jun 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Grady looks like this guy.
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by emd2k3 on Jun 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that but the point is with his curly hair he looks like Cory who is famous for his curly hair.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s pretty good but couldn’t take the pressure of closer early in the year. I like this deal.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely have some bad memories of promising guys with dynamite stuff who couldn’t find the strike zone…. but he seems like he might prove to be valuable. The quality of the deal obviously depends on the PTBN, but I’m pretty sure I like it too.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely have some bad memories of promising guys with dynamite stuff who couldn’t find the strike zone
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 27, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kyle Boddy on Jun 28, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir. Multiple times. Perez too.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 27, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me… seem to remember now that you are from St. Lou or otherwise a Cards fan… thoughts on who you think the PTBNL might be?
by cheech99 on Jun 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea. I assume it will depend on a bunch of stuff. I am not as familiar with the Cardinals farm system as I am with the Indians’ and I’m not really too familiar with the Indians’ farm system either. There are players I like a lot whom I hope it is but I don’t know how likely they are to be traded.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I started getting REALLY serious about the Indians 4 years ago, though I was always a fan, and just now am I getting really comfortable with the farm system. It’ll scare you one day when you know too much.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its too soon to tell, but I wonder if this affects White? If Perez works out, would the front office reconsider his transition to a “back of the bullpen” arm?
by world dictator on Jun 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean our future #4 starter?
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by westbrook on Jun 27, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are they moving White to the pen?
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by Blicks on Jun 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they think he’ll fit better in the pen and get to the majors much sooner.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, some guy I’ve never heard of… on twitter… bernie miklasz… says he’s pretty sure the quality of the PTBNL is tied ot whether the Cards sign DeRosa to an extension beyond this season.
If that’s the case, apologies, for my skepticism above
by cheech99 on Jun 28, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never heard of Bernie? A good journalist, one of the best baseball writers.
by odradek on Jun 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He writes for the St. Louis Post Dispatch. He’s pretty good.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, you got me to join just to say;
Bernie is terrible. His style is National Enquirer with a hint of Steve Phillips.
Decrease runs scored?
Maybe.
Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
-SFTU
by hazel on Jun 28, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That must have really been bothering you.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he is spot on
Bernie is a bum
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 28, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t say he was wrong (I wouldn’t know, of course).
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s that bad. I wasn’t the one to say he was one of the best. I don’t think he’s one of the best just pretty good.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its ironic that you’re apologizing, because I think that’s a pretty lame clause. Though im intrigued because one would think that if DeRosa resigned with the Cardinals we would get a really good 2nd prospect.
I wonder why that clause was included? Does DeRosa have any times to STL that would make him likely to sign there?
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only apologizing because I didn’t think the whole contingency PTBNL clause would happen in this deal… clearly that seems to be a possibility.
I’m not apologizing for my dislike for it though… if it is on the table. Did we really need to instill this here? And if so… why not hold out longer and wait for one of the other teams to blink?
by cheech99 on Jun 28, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a few possible anwser:
1. Because Shapiro thinks we can still make a run
2. Because Shapiro really likes Perez as a prospect
3. Because Shapiro was afraid of STL making a move for Holliday. (This is slightly connected to #2)
4. Shapiro preferred the potential list of PTBNL to anything anyone else was offering
5. Shapiro didn’t like the farm system/players of other organizations
Just thinking out loud here
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shapiro might have also been pushing for that clause no matter who he traded DeRosa too
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine, they get Holliday instead. They aren’t the only team who will need DeRosa at the deadline.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I said point #3 was connected to #2. If the Indians really like Perez or the idea of a young closer arm, then there’s only so many teams with that kind of ML ready prospect. I can only think of STL off the top of my head.
So if Perez is the guy you prefer out of everyone available then you don’t want STL to acquire Holliday and presumably take them out of the DeRosa bidding
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you 100% on this. Everyone knew the Cardinals were looking for a bat and if Shapiro really loved Perez he wasn’t about to wait too long and miss him.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well yeah, but is our young stud closer going to be pitching the 8th innings until November 2010?
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that would be an argument against acquiring Perez not an argument against the PTBNL
I kind of agree with you about Perez. But a stud bullpen arm is a stud bullpen arm. If we had a lights out 8th-9th tandum that would be a big boost to our bullpen this year and especially next year
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know, I’m just not fond of trading DeRosa for an guy to set up our closer who has really stunk it up as of late.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez turns 24 on July 1st and has only pitched 65.1 innings in the majors. Kind of too early to be down on him.
But I kind of agree with trading for a bullpen arm, even if its a closer.
Eh, I can see the logic but I’d rather get another position. But we can’t judge the trade until we see the PTBNL.
by world dictator on Jun 28, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine if we just traded for a Broxton/Street type of guy who will be a great closer for us in 2011.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many runs have we given up in the 8th inning this year?
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think an Indians fan should know better than anyone that it doesn’t hurt to have a contingency option.
It’s not like we can’t find a place for the arm if Wood excels as a closer anyway.
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by nickjs21 on Jun 28, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if derosa extends with the cards, the PTBNL is brett wallace (unlikely) or david freese (more likely), both of whom play 3B.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jun 28, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty ingenious quick take on that clause… I’ll say that.
by cheech99 on Jun 28, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll say this. . . i’ll give the benefit of the doubt to shapiro on these kinds of moves, because he’s really excelled in this area. i’m not a fan of his in general, and really would love to see some new blood in our FO, but if we’re going to have a fire sale there are few GM’s i’d want running it over shap.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jun 28, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, this. I mostly dislike the clause because I WANT US TO BE THE ONES SIGNING DEROSA.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For how long? I like DeRosa, but I like him even better when I don’t have to worry about how he’ll do at age 37.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 28, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a slightly related note— and I don’t mean this as a subtle conviction of any sort —DeRosa’s late career power surge is a little fascinating to me.
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by nickjs21 on Jun 28, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too, which is why I asked Antonetti about it in the Annual.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed it wouldn’t carry over into this year either. But 13 home runs at the end of June is certainly something.
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by nickjs21 on Jun 29, 2009 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if it is true, Shap is trying to ride some of the value that the Dodgers are getting out of Blake’s season this year?
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be skeptical of this. Last year the coverage of the CC/PTBNL was basically wrong right up until the end.
by APV on Jun 28, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of people on this blog basically were debating Green/Brantley the last month or two. For us to even be in the ballpark on that means it wasn’t too far off
by Roger Dorn on Jun 28, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what are the chances that the player to be named later is… say… Albert Pujols?
by Cleveland Indians on Jun 28, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same chances of me rooting for the Yankees.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in that case put on a skanks cap and get happy! Take one for the team.
by Cleveland Indians on Jun 28, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe 1% if he undergoes Tommy John tomorrow and tears his ACL and MCL.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And loses a hand.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take a blind Albert Pujols in a wheelchair over some of the guys we have in our lineup. Can you imagine how funny it would be to watch someone in a wheelchair steal a base?
by Cleveland Indians on Jun 28, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert would too. It would be pretty hilarious.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if he played murderball.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see your picture. It makes me sad.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 28, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bummer, its the guy from that movie Murderball, about guys in wheelchairs who play an extreme version of dodgeball, or something like that.
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by USSChoo on Jun 28, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You realize our offense is like 4th in baseball?
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And imagine how much better it would be with a crippled Pujols.
by Cleveland Indians on Jun 28, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A blind Albert Pujols in a wheelchair could still play a better left field than Ryan Garko.
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cards Fan here
Could be a win win trade here for both of us. Chris Perez has upside and was marked as our closer of the future. The thing is we are stocked with RHP relief pitchers with upside in the minors. I am more worried about the PTBNL
My guess is we are going to deal from our other strengths. If I had to take a guess it would be
Jon Jay, Allen Craig, Ottavino, P.J. Walters, Boggs
Jon Jay would hurt the most. His numbers are down this year but he is a stud defensively and this is the first time he has struggled hitting. Every other hitting report talks about him winning a batting title some day.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 28, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you're right, it's an epic win for Shap
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by Voltaire on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thought too, although I’ve never heard of the baseball player with this name. We could have Joe Smith and Jon Jay on the same field some day!
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lawyers in this place would explode if we acquired the first Chief Justice.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was my first thought.
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Jun 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Place me in the “I’d rather have one of the pitchers” camp
by APV on Jun 28, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't be Craig
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 28, 2009 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a bizarre 8 months for DeRosa, eh? From going to fan favorite on the Cubs to the most hated rival. I’ll definitely have an eye on those games when they play.
by Toxicadam on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that’s impressive. I rec’d the latter for freakish insight.
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight, the Rangers were a poor choice.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I like this trade. Re-signing DeRosa next year would have been a luxury for us, when we need to keep costs under control. Meanwhile, even with Perez’ BB happy style, he represents the best performance in our bullpen this year. If he just maintains that, and one of our other pitchers (wood? raffy-L?) regenerates next year, we are halfway to a decent bullpen. Plus, a PTBNL, and one who might even be good! The only question is if there was a better deal for him somewhere else, and I think on that question Shap deserves the benefit of the doubt.
by gmfrodo on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way is he better than Betancourt was pitching.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is raffy-R even gonna be around next year? Doesn’t he have a five-something million dollar option we would have to pay?
by gmfrodo on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although that could well be renegotiated.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so? Guarantee the option, tack on another option year?
by cheech99 on Jun 28, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just go to Rafael and say, hey, that 5.4M option, it’s a little pricey. It’s not you, Rafi (this part is a lie), but you know, the damned economy and such. We’d love to keep you around, do you think you could agree to a one-year deal for, say, $3.5 million? Or better yet, give him a two-year deal for $6 million.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, give him the “it’s not you, it’s me”.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 28, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raffy INVENTED the “it’s not you, it’s me”!
by JRontherim on Jun 28, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they were to trade Cliff Lee per Jay’s post of Rosenthal’s piece above, I would say the odds are a lot better they pick up Betancourt’s 2010 option… assuming roughly same historical performance when he comes off the DL.
Right now, with the assumed loss of revenue this season and next, if we keep Lee, I think it’s an open question.
by cheech99 on Jun 28, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Chris Pérez 23.2 IP 15BB 30K 4.18 ERA 1.35 WHIP
Rafael Betancourt 26.2 IP 14BB 29K 3.71 ERA 1.39 WHIP
pretty similar. If not better, then tied for best.
by gmfrodo on Jun 28, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how the hell do I refer to the erstwhile setup ace? Raffy-L or Perez-L?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 28, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So … is it too much to hope for an upper level PTBNL?
Pitcher? Mortensen? Walters? Jess Todd?
by FallsTribeFan on Jun 28, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so. I’m sticking with the idea that DeRosa was a very valuable chip with many suitors. There is no reason for Shapiro to trade him for “just a reliever” — even one as impressive as Chris Perez — without another equally substantial chip in the mix.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Shapiro is giving us his code phrase again, the same one he used to clue us in that we were getting a valuable PTBNL for CC.
by Roger Dorn on Jun 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really “code” if he’s coming right out and saying it, is it?
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading reactions across the internet, I would either people didn’t hear his comment or are still mistaking it
by Roger Dorn on Jun 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are unfamiliar with the concept of the non-trivial PTBNL. To be honest, I can’t really think of any other GM who has extracted one.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In any case, trade evaluation is incomplete until we know who the player is
by Roger Dorn on Jun 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting – you might be right.
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by westbrook on Jun 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody extracts a pound of flesh like our boy Mark.
by elsandito on Jun 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are probably more successful Rule V picks than PTBNLs.
Someone will probably embarrass me here. That’s an Underwood-esque random observation that I didn’t bother researching.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 28, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If its true that Jess Todd is on the PTBNL list, this could be a real coup. Two ML-ready relievers for 2010? I would say that is a fair return for DeRo
by gmfrodo on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s a lot better than the Cubs got for him.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m catching up from a weekend away and I really agree with this sentiment. I like this trade a lot.
On the other hand, I’m canceling my MLB.tv subscription tomorrow.
by NickFantana on Jun 29, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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