Game Thread: June 28, 2009
by Ryan on Jun 28, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
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INDIANS (31-45): SS Asdrubal Cabrera, DH Grady Sizemore, 1B Victor Martinez, RF Shin-Soo Choo, 3B Jhonny Peralta, LF Ryan Garko, 2B Luis Valbuena, C Kelly Shoppach, CF Ben Francisco. LHP David Huff (3-2, 5.71).
REDS (36-37): CF Willy Taveras, 3B Jerry Hairston Jr., 1B Joey Votto, 2B Brandon Phillips, DH Jonny Gomes, C Ramon Hernandez, RF Jay Bruce, SS Paul Janish, LF Chris Dickerson. RHP Micah Owings (4-8, 4.87).
Asdrubal is off the Disabled List, taking the roster spot of the recently traded Mark DeRosa.
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FWIW, I found this on Twitter. Someone with Cardinals inside knowledge named Drew Silva posted:
Francisco Samuel and Jess Todd are on the short list of possible PTBNLs to finalize the Mark DeRosa deal. That’s uh… interesting.
Keith Law had Samuel as the Cardinals 10th rated prospect. BA has Todd as the Cards 4th rated prospect. Both are pitchers
Yes, yes. I’m aware both of us could list people all day long, and neither would be definitively correct. And I’d obviously rather have well-thought of young pitchers than non-“prospects.” They just make me nervous, is all.
Il faut d'abord durer.
Great strikeout ability. Control needs improvement and his motion lends itself to heightened injury risk
I saw him pitch in person, and he had some nasty stuff
I disagree; I would rate Droobs above a 3.
I'm not really into Song of Hiawatha.
by sarcasmdave on Jun 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Welcome back Cab!
Clone Grady 25 times and we will win the World Serious in 2040
by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
Basehit!
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
MLB.tv is delayed hardcore
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Switch it off nextdef and it wont be lagged, but it will be ugly.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
ahh i didnt know that. thanks for the tip!
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
sometimes Grady looks conditionally confused before his atbats
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
nice :D !
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
Say I know there is a whole thread on this, but I need answers now…If Clifton gets traded, who the crap are we going to trot out on the hill next year?
Don’t you mean:
“Right. Then we have Rondon (fingers crossed) and Lofgren (fingers crossed) getting close. Fausto (fingers crossed)”?
by jakesinger777 on Jun 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again who’s bad.
M. Jackson
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Huff moves faster…Ohka was putting me to sleep last night.
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
That’s the key to successful pitching. Keep moving quickly, don’t give the other team a chance to study you and rattle you.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Looked like he played just fine to me.
by jakesinger777 on Jun 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But how is he supposed to get his 90 RBIs if he doesn’t get to play left?
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Throw some eggs and refried beans in there and you’re talking.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll i’ll be Garko got a single lol
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
that would make a great costume..idk if i want to scare kids tho
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we established yesterday that Garko is actually a zombie. So it would actually be an appropriate costume.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
now that is a nice justification. i’ll work on it for october….i need to work on my lethargicness
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that about lethargy…. I want to work on it, but I’m just too lazy!
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It still takes 3 hits to get Garko in from 2nd.
by Julie on Jun 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did they really just attempt a pickoff with Garko on first?
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
He smokes everything…if we could just get him to find some holes
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially once LaPorta comes up, I feel legitimately excited about this lineup overall.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn Wedge… Why can’t he motivate Valbuena to find some holes?
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wedge couldn’t motivate a starving POW to eat!!!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a little different here, but I’d rather see the whole league adopt the DH. Every team plays every other team during the season, and you play your division opponents more often than the rest of the league. Kind of like the NFL
That would ease my dislike, since if I wanted to watch bad hitters bat I would just splice together footage of Josh Barfield.
by Julie on Jun 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shoppach sucks…if he doesn’t get blunked or wiff at three in a row, he’s a great rally killer with his killer speed and greatness to hit into DPs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
We’ve got catchers waiting in the wings. He’s a backup catcher playing everyday.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He has 139 ABs. Compared to Victor Martinez, who plays every day, has 288 ABs. That is not playing everyday
No other team pitches their backup catcher 2 out of every 5 days. Hell, most teams may only play their backup catcher one every 7 days. Why? I don’t care if you’ve had historically great numbers…if you’re not getting it done now…you need to sit.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you find that players improve while sitting on the bench?
by Julie on Jun 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I consider myself a personal example. My junior year of college I started off the season with a +5 era while going 0-4 in my first 5 starts of the season. I was benched for my next two starts and then finished the season 4-2 with a final era of around 3.5 after getting my head on straight. I’ve seen it with numerous other guys in my playing career.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly every hit is in the “clutch”. You go out their trying to get a hit everytime, if you are truly playing the game correctly.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry…that should be “play” not “pitches”
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
His defensive skills seem to be dropping as well. I’m all for playing him if he’s throwing guys out…if that’s the case I don’t care about his offensive numbers. But he’s not doing that anymore. He’s allowing more pastballs this year too. Now, that could be partially attributed to a bad pitching staff, I don’t know…but his defense is going down
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pastballs…. are those the ones that go so fast that they get there before they left?
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Satchel Paige used to throw those. If you looked back, it might be gaining on you.
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
When a guy time-travels as much as him, you never know how old he is…
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize Ben Fran was in center until that play. This sucks, thanks for giving Huff an outfield D, Wedgie
If you’re going to put Garko in left, the least Wedge could do would be to put Grady in centerfield. Garko had to run halfway across centerfield to pick up that carom that Francisco butchered.
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
those nachos looked good
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
i sort of wish Grady was in the OF tonight…
and i really want that goddamn elbow to be fine.
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
come on Vic!
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
Cmon Choo….lift one over that there fence!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
oh ffs :[
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone teach kids the knuck anymore? It seems like the only knuckleballers there are now are converted position guys. Forget the 300 game winner, are we watching the last of the knuckleballers?
I hope not…its such a devistating pitched if learned correctly. Its also really fun to watch knuckleballers. I hope they don’t all die out like the dodo birds.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
has anyone seen wedge does he still looked cracked out?
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
You mean the hobo beard and blank stare? He’ll never lose that look sadly. That’s what happens when you’re more meant for a job as a bench coach, instead of managing games.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
now if only he had someone to switch with?
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly we can only hope there is someone out there…although this whole debacle of a season is hardly all on his shoulders
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder how Lou would handle this team
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
7 pitches 3 outs. I like that a lot better than the previous inning!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I was just about to say, no backwards K….but looks like its just a good ol swing and a miss instead.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm…yeah, can we all scream it loud enough to hear it in Cleveland….eh hmm…..LAPORTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Our offense scores a lot of runs…but darn it all…we’re up, we’re down, we’re all around
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
I hope USA beats Brazil!
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
One more time…LAPORTA!!!!!!!!! Brantley….anybody that can play left!
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more. Crazy moves all up and down this org.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
When even Rick Manning can see it, it’s gone beyond mere favoritism and playing by cliched baseball truisms.
by Julie on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly! So why in the world is he out there? That’s my question. Why?
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i think its time to retake baseball 101
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ಠ_ಠ 5 to 1 game :[
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
You know…that pitch was down and out and he didn’t try to do too much with it…why can’t OUR guys figure that out? You don’t have to kill every ball.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
I know my schadenfreude-y self should appreciate seeing Garko and Francisco playing badly, but I just hate it. It isn’t their faults they’re in over their heads.
Like standing in the Grand Canyon looking up, over their heads.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you, they’re over their heads…its just sad that our org doesn’t have any one better. I think we’ve simply mismanaged players for too long and this is the end result.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
There simply aren’t answers ready or good enough at this point.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
what
the FRAK
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
And there goes another one. Ballgame folks. We just don’t have it.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like we’ve let yet another struggling pitcher pick up an easy win over us.
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
Regardless of how bad or good Huff would have been today…we’ve got to light up a guy like Micah Owing. Again…our offense if good, but it comes and goes too much
by MooneysRebellion on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
what happened with Grady. i had to get the phone
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by biscuitsandgrady on Jun 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, salome!
I went to a store the other day where I saw t-shirts with that cartoon character, and I couldn’t find one.
So, seriously, I might be losing my freaking mind.
I just want to say that right now, I’m not a fan of the DeRosa trade. My opinion on that could change, pending Perez II’s performance.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
That wouldn’t have been a good option, and I guess now was a good time to trade based on his value. I just don’t like it. I didn’t like the Blake trade, either. I basically never want to lose the players I like, and I know that’s not logical.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
Are we not allowed. Well darn. I broke that rule.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I just got here. I have a hard time reading things that have already been said so I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
That’s why I have a hard time. Sometimes I get mixed up.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I love when players look upward when something good happens. Because if there’s a god, it’s presumably very invested in whether your batted ball finds a hole.
I think it’s more of an appreciation thing. Like thank you for giving me the talent to be able to do that. I don’t mind it all.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
That’s an interesting way to look at it… I suppose if that’s it then it seems a lot less presumptuous… I’m not convinced that’s the usual thing, but I obviously have no idea.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as it’s appreciative of having the talent, as opposed to appreciative of helping the ball go through or whatever, then I guess I don’t mind.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
As a humbleness thing? That’s kind of nice I guess.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I have always thought they were thanking God for making the play possible, like you. That is why I find it funny.
I’ve heard too many celebrities/sports figures thank God for specific wins/awards/what-have-you to think it’s a general sign of appreciation.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
Yeah… I have a feeling that, whatever they’d tell you if you asked, some non-small proportion of players who do that are thinking about God having had a hand in the outcome of the event itself. Which is absurd.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and why I am I talking about this? Because this game is really quite boring.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG BILLY MAYS DIED! This week sucks. I apologize for the all caps but I think it was appropriate.
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I love how infomercercials always exaggerate how bad things were without the special product.
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OH MY GOD STRAINING SPAGHETTI NOODLES IS SUCH A COLLOSSAL HEADACHE!!!
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Help! Help! The phone is ringing and I’m trapped in my blanket!
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My word! When I deliberately smear grape juice, grass, and tomato sauce on this white blouse, it never comes clean AGAIN!
Heavens to betsy, when I put the anti-perspirant on my forearm it just DOESN’T WORK!
Yeah, gotta hate it when my roll-on leaves a visible trail on the orange paper.
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People tell me I should buy fewer clothes made out of orange paper, but it’s just so comfortable!
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Before amphetamines, I just sat on the couch watching Judge Judy and eating Ben and Jerry’s all day. I was starting to look like Jabba the Hut. Now I’m thin, and it only takes me an hour to clean the whole house! And now I can watch four shows at once!
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually don’t get why so many people here don’t like Underwood. He doesn’t bother me. He’s not actively enjoyable to listen to, but he rarely makes me cringe. Manning says more inane things, seems to me.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Underwood is goofy and strikes me as a bit dim.
Manning is snide, but not clever enough for the snideness to be amusing.
Manning pisses me off with his attitude. I don’t think Underwood gets that he’s being mocked.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
Yeah but Underwood’s dumb. I don’t care that much that Manning mocks him. I’m used to Al Harabosky and Dan MacGlaughlin (I’m not sure I spelled either of those last names right) and Al is a lot meaner to Dan than Rick is to Matt.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
But he’s smarter than Underwood. He also makes me laugh often. Which in many games is needed.
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He better be careful what deodorant he buys then.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I still like him. I really think it has a lot to do with growing up with the St. Louis announcers and being desensitized to dumb comments and then mocking by people who are not that much smarter. It just seems normal to me.
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Astrocabbage? I don’t know where that comes from, but it oddly has a ring to it….
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Al is a pimp, pure and simple.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
by salome on Jun 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish I could say that the screwball was a good symbol for this season, but really it’s just sad.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost certainly for the same reason salome mentions upthread. It’s just kinda depressing to see a player you’ve watched and have grown to like being traded away.
But it’s not as if he was a fixture with the team… he was an Indian for less than half a season! I mean, I’m not faulting salome for feeling a little sad about losing him, for a little while, but how hard is it to get the concept that once you’re out of the race, you have nothing to lose by trading guys who are gone after the year anyway?
I would think you’d (generic you’d) at least withhold judgment until we find out who the PTBNL is.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The average fan doesn’t regard DeRosa as automatically gone at the end of the year. He sees keeping DeRosa (and others like him) as a decision that the team can make more or less at will. He doesn’t understand why the team would choose consistently to trade away DeRosas rather than keeping solid veterans around.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Yeah, I’m sure it’s partly that, partly denial about the season being over, and partly just an emotional response of the sort Julie and salome are talking about.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Stay behind. It’s better back there.
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by vbc3 on Jun 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we can just convince them to switch bullpens for the 9th, this one is in the bag!
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh sure a 1-2-3 inning now. But you know when you’re in Chicago and we have a chance to win you fall apart.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Now that DeRosa has been traded and the Mystery Ball is over, can we go back to the FIRE WEDGE mania or has that died down until the All-Star break?
kahletruck wrote:
I know for sure the Indians really need to fire Wedge, & Shapiro for a better team leaders, The team needs help with their pitching staff (relief pitching 09) Then the team will start off with better relief pitchers, cause Sowers, Perez1, Lee, & Wood cannot pitch cannot make it without the help of the team. Then we can start trading the worst players like Peralta, Val, Carroll, Garko, Gut, Shop, & Choo which is a different issue pertaining to alot of errors that have been and still going on for the team, which by coincidence we also in need of most talent MLB for years to come.
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by vbc3 on Jun 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, hold on.
the worst players like Peralta, Val, Carroll, Garko, Gut, Shop, & Choo
Am I reading this right? Those are our worst players? Choo? Are you kidding me?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I don’t know who Gut is. If they mean Franklin they’re a little behind or bitter.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Content aside, this sentence structure is my favorite part of this comment:
Then we can start trading the worst players … which is a different issue pertaining to alot of errors that have been and still going on for the team, which by coincidence we also in need of most talent MLB for years to come.
Such as.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
we also in need of most talent MLB for years to come.
That’s my favorite.
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If I didn’t know better I would guess that this whole post was the result of a computer randomly stringing words together from various other posts.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think maybe the errors part was specifically in reference to Choo.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
That’s as good a guess as any…. It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole comment was written first in Japanese or something and stuck into an autotranslator.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 28, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Exhibit B:
I am so ticked-off right now!!! The least this team could have done was TRY another manager. Wedge"s record is 5 games over 500 after 7 years. You couldn’t do much worse. And no Wedge doesn’t lose EVERY game with his stupid decisions, but he’s obviously lost enough. He’s a 500 manager. Charlie Manuel has a 530 winning %
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Apparently this guy doesn’t remember Pat Corrales, or Jeff Torborg, or Ken Aspromonte or, hell, most of the other guys who have EVER managed the Indians.
by woodsmeister on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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