Early word on Astro: shoulder dislocated, "potential" for DL
Pretty much what we expected, from the AP game recap:
"Cabrera said he dislocated the shoulder and they had to pop it back in. X-rays did not reveal any damage, but Cabrera will have an MRI tomorrow.
'There’s potential for the DL, but we’ll have to wait and see,' Indians manager Eric Wedge said."
UPDATE (Ryan): Cabrera has been placed on the DL, with Josh Barfield replacing him on the 25-man roster.
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I’ve dislocated my shoulder and I can promise you that putting it back in is not nearly so easy as Wedge made it sound. I am assuming Mario will know what the possible long term ramifications of this are.
I become an expert simply by doing something.
by fwembt on Jun 3, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I had quite a bit to say about this in the game thread last night. Bottom line is that I’m not optimistic about him playing again this year.
by supermarioelia on Jun 3, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a pro at dislocating my shoulder (in the double digits for my right one and about seven times with the left) and yeah its not pleasant. As Mario said, he may be out the rest of the year. You really really don’t want to reinjure it before it can properly heal.
by hans on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But … it looked so easy in the Lethal Weapon movies!
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 3, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
might this be Agent M’s ticket back to Cleveland?
by macasson on Jun 3, 2009 5:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be. I’d much rather see LaPorta come up to put DeRosa back into third base.
by danvail on Jun 3, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be. I’d much rather see LaPorta come up to put DeRosaback into third baseon another team.
by gte619n on Jun 3, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think LaPorta makes more sense. Now that Sizemore’s on the DL, he should be able to play every day.
by Ryan on Jun 3, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suggested this in the game thread, but there are other guys already on the 40-man that probably make more sense. Barfield being first and foremost.
by APV on Jun 3, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s Agent M. Can’t Baboo and LuiB hold down 2B?
by gte619n on Jun 3, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to think this is Jhonny back to short and Marte up, but I’m assuming Wedge will be using this as his long-awaited excuse to bat Carroll leadoff and start him at shortstop.
by fleerdon on Jun 3, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meaning second becomes a Barbuena platoon.
by fleerdon on Jun 3, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think it’s going to be all that buena.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 3, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
actually making the same adjustment:
Valgood + Barfield = Mr. Goodbarf
by AllenSmith on Jun 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Marte just one XBH in last 10 games, fwiw
by macasson on Jun 3, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bum can’t even hit in AAA!
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 3, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bum can’tevenhitin AAA!
"I gotta be honest, I dunno much about the climate in Japan." - Matt Underwood
by USSChoo on Jun 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this is that Agent M is not currently on the 40-man roster. The only way this is likely to happen is if Astrocab has to go on the 60-day DL.
by woodsmeister on Jun 3, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And plus, what would it gain to have Agent M up on the big team, just riding the pines every day, with DeRosa at third, Peralta at short and Carroll at second? He’d never get an at bat.
by odradek on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we mean, after DeRosa gets flipped.
by fleerdon on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even then. Wedge would play eight guys on the field before he put AM in.
by odradek on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe Marte will ever be on the team while Wedge is around, short of four months of total domination in Columbus, which he has not had. I am not even rooting for him to be promoted, at all.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 3, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, Marte is best in AAA until Wedge no longer manages the Tribe.
-Erik
by drerikbrady on Jun 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Wedge, then? If its generally recognized that certain players/prospects cannot coexist with a manager for reasons unrelated to performance, then the manager should have his ass fired on the spot.
by mcrose on Jun 3, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
If a player cannot coexist with a manager for reasons unrelated to performance, then the player should not be on the team.
No manager will ever be fired for not getting along with a prospect who has never performed well at the major league level.
by AllenSmith on Jun 3, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s clear that Marte really hasn’t done anything to warrant the treatment, then I think the problem lies with the manager
by Roger Dorn on Jun 3, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite who has the problem, I don’t think that it is reasonable to fire Wedge just so that Marte can have a chance
by AllenSmith on Jun 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would think that Shapiro could figure out a less extreme way of handling the issue. Something to the effect of “I’m calling Marte up, you have to play him x% of games”. I mean the manager and the player don’t have to get along for there to be success on the field. This isn’t basketball.
by jakesinger777 on Jun 3, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not so Marte can have a chance. Its the general issue that if a player warrants promotion, the manager shouldn’t stand in the way.
I was just struck by the seemingly unanimous assumption that it wasn’t worthwhile bringing up Marte with Wedge in the dugout. Something’s wrong with this picture, and it ain’t Marte.
by mcrose on Jun 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree, he’s right. You don’t get rid of the manager over Marte.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This point (and its variants) are academic. If it’s Marte vs. the manager, then the problem with the manager is larger than just Marte.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Marte vs. Ditka? Who wins?
by FallsTribeFan on Jun 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely Ditka.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. I don’t want Marte up until Wedge is gone
by Roger Dorn on Jun 3, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the decision depends on what our long-term plan is. If we’re planning on keeping JP at third, then why not let him play there the rest of the season and develop his defense. It makes no sense to bring Marte up whether or not Wedge is the manager and whether or not we flip DeRosa if that’s our plan.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we don’t have another short stop.
by jakesinger777 on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides DeRosa, Carroll and Valbuena, you mean.
by woodsmeister on Jun 3, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa: 79 career starts at SS, 0 in the past 3 years (including this year), no more than 10 starts in any year since 2002.
Carroll: 46 career starts at SS, 0 in the past 2 years (including this year), 12 in the past 4 years.
Valbuena: 16 games at SS in his minor league career (almost 500 games). I see no indication that he knows how to play SS.
Point is, you are right. There are people you can stick there. But I am also right. We don’t have another shortstop.
by jakesinger777 on Jun 3, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding is that Carroll is a very fine shortstop, he’s just been on teams that haven’t needed him to step in there.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 3, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely anecdotally, I saw Carroll at 2B, SS, and 3B for the Rockies and I think that’s the order of his best defensive positions. In any event, my suggestion relies on two premises: (1) we want to see Jhonny develop at 3rd; and (2) we’re not making the playoffs this year. If that’s the case, then my plan makes sense and it doesn’t much matter if we let Carroll fill in at short until Astrocab is back healthy.
"Lotta heart in Cleveland." - Ian Hunter
by Denver Tribe Fan on Jun 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hafner’s rehab stint is supposed to end today. If he’s ready, it’s possible that he gets activated and Droobs goes on the DL.
by woodsmeister on Jun 3, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is probably the most logical … although they’re talking about Hafner coming back Friday.
Cabrera is apparently saying he doesn’t think he’ll need to go on the DL … which is dangerous to me.
by FallsTribeFan on Jun 3, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is when the training staff needs to say, “Yes you do. Off to the DL we go. Everyone’s there it’s not bad, really.”
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If he comes back too soon and gets reinjured someone actually needs to be fired. This is just too obvious a potential for reinjury. It’s one thing to have no idea what they’re doing with vague elbow, shoulder and oblique pain….but this is an obvious structural issue. Considering the zeal with which they seem to jump to TJ surgery, this should really be no different. Let this puppy heal, or get it repaired, but AstroCab is a valuable asset for years to come and this is not a championship team.
by supermarioelia on Jun 3, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario, when do they rush people back? They seem extraordinarily cautious.
by odradek on Jun 3, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it’s true they don’t rush people back. It’s the getting them to admit there’s a problem that takes forever.
by supermarioelia on Jun 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s all top secret. They must know there’s a problem, but they perceive a benefit in not talking about it.
by odradek on Jun 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hafner will be back on Friday. Then Friday comes, and they say, Hafner should be back next week. Doesn’t his 20-game rehab end Wednesday (today)? If he can’t be called up he has to go back on the DL. No indications he is ready to go yet.
by odradek on Jun 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will still have a problem once we get back into interleague play next week.
by Toxicadam on Jun 3, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, this is probably my back breaking straw.
by Brick. on Jun 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Much as I like being better at stuff than the Rays, this is not what I would have picked.
by FredOx on Jun 3, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Potential for the DL? I would think from what I know about dislocated shoulders he’s going on the DL.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Say, I didn’t see the play, what exactly happened?
We have surpassed DL stints from last year, yes? My God what is going on? There is really no one to blame, right? I mean this is luck…You can’t blame managmeent and medical staff for these types of injuries, right? Soloff is one of the best, right?
And…I’m distraught. Very. Any chance we can forfeit the season or turn the calendar to opening day, 2010?
OK, on to the valium for me.
by RD74 on Jun 3, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is something I’m struggling with. So DL players still come to the games and sit in the dugout with the rest of the team, right? I mean, I saw at least Reyes sitting there during last night’s game. Two questions: do relief pitchers sit in the regular dugout or in the bullpen? What happens when our dugout gets too crowded? I think these are both very serious concerns.
by jakesinger777 on Jun 3, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The catered food bill is going to be astronomical.
by Toxicadam on Jun 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily – just fewer leftovers for the staff.
by woodsmeister on Jun 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When they’re on the DL? I dunno, look for Betancourt’s presence in the dugout. If you don’t see him, he’s probably in the bullpen.
During Cliff’s brief 2007 stint as a reliever, he had his ass firmly planted in the dugout, though.
I believe in Carl Pavano.
by salome on Jun 3, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that this is that relevant, but…
I watched batting practice before Friday’s game vs. NY and both Reyes and Smith were in the OF shagging fly balls. After each caught one though, they would transfer the ball to their glove hand and throw it in, either overhand or underhand.
Very Jim Abbottesque and kind of odd to see.
Also, Kerry Wood robbed someone of a BP HR in right-center right in front of us.
It was pretty impressive stuff.
by The DiaTriber on Jun 3, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes and Smith were throwing lefty?
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 3, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Smith could really wheel it back in overhand with his LH, but Reyes would just kind of roll it in towards the screen with his LH. Reyes also had a giant rubber tube on his right arm that would prevent him from bending at the elbow at all.
Braylon Edwards was also shagging balls.
You can insert your obligatory joke here; but, no…he did not catch any that were hit to him.
by The DiaTriber on Jun 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He did go deep in BP though, right?
by NickFantana on Jun 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did, though that happened before we got there.
Showing you how out of my mind the Browns are, I sat there for 15 minutes looking at the guy in the full Tribe uni that said “EDWARDS 17” on the back with no idea who that might be or if I had missed some sort of transaction.
Only when my brother said, “Hey look, it’s Braylon” did the light bulb go off for me. Not that I was particularly excited, but it took the mystery out of the equation.
by The DiaTriber on Jun 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are pro golfers who play practice rounds with their non-dominant hand to work on timing and promote muscular balance. Could be a similar strategy.
by fleerdon on Jun 3, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, they both have right arm/shoulder injuries.
by jakesinger777 on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentlemen, Barfield is BACK!
by FallsTribeFan on Jun 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time for clutch seeing-eye singles!
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, Travis is almost certainly staying on the DL for another week plus, right?
by NickFantana on Jun 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First comment underneath Hoynes story:
So this means what? The indians will lose 8 of 10 instead of 9-10? they suck…
Rich, compelling. Really puts things into perspective.
by RD74 on Jun 3, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In a chess game this is where I would trip and “accidentally” knock the game board over.
If you believe it's just a game, you're also probably wondering why Santa keeps skipping your house every year.
by LeftyCatcher on Jun 3, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Is there a suggestion box anywhere for our new alternate uniforms for the 2010 season? Here is what I came up with:
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Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on Jun 3, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it kinda looks like Garko, doesn’t it?
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Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on Jun 3, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way, it’s Jhonny. Look at those cheeks.
by supermarioelia on Jun 3, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. And those surgically-enhanced peepers.
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Force quit and move to trash.
by vbc3 on Jun 3, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, because if everyone had noticed it, they would have HAD to rec it or comment on it. i mean, it’s that good – if you do say so yourself.
by Brick. on Jun 4, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, I’m the only one around here who hypes jokes that fell flat.
by NickFantana on Jun 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes, it just feels good to get indignant on the internet.
by NickFantana on Jun 4, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I never!
You’re right.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 4, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should post it as a FanShot.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why I keep coming back.
by NickFantana on Jun 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got a rec from me on principle.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 4, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Actually, it was well deserved.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed, but I didn’t get it.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 6, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the hairline beard.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 6, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhhhhh… Too subtle I guess.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit I did not see it at first.
BUT NOW THAT I DO???
by Logodaedalus on Jun 4, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t rec it on the grounds that if someone has to explain the punchline to me, no matter how funny it is, I’m probably not going to laugh as hard.
Tough break, Iron. I owe you one.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 4, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for being my failed-joke-causes-momentary-bout-of-low-self-esteem support group, everyone.
by NickFantana on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is cold.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 5, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey it’s my own fault for not getting it.
I’m going to rec him on something really arbitrary sometime soon.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 5, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season over. Please trade DeRosa and Pavano for AAA/AA prospects please.
by world dictator on Jun 4, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we think we can contend next year? I assumed DeRosa was going to be jettisoned for something useful (the Cardinals deal sounds about right), but I hadn’t thought of Pavano’s situation yet. I’d hope we could get a cheap deal out of him for a couple more years.
Then again I wouldn’t blame him for wanting more years/money than a man with one good year deserves.
Steel Nick
by nickjs21 on Jun 4, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the inevitable step 2 of a KMTS. Step 3, of course, is profit.
by FredOx on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked well for him the first time around.
by gte619n on Jun 4, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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