Game 57: Indians 6, White Sox 0
by Ryan on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 PM EDT
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On the day the Indians sent the Fausto Carmona on an extended sabbatical, Carl Pavano, of whom not much was expected, easily shut out the White Sox, allowing just three hits. Chicago's bats have been dormant lately, having been shut out twice in their last series against Oakland, and Pavano took advantage of them by establishing his pitches in the strike zone early. White Sox hitters swung early in the strike zone, and made quick outs on weak grounders and pop flies. Those easy innings allowed Pavano, who normally loses his effectiveness before getting to 100 pitches, to throw his hundredth pitch with two outs in the ninth inning.
Travis Hafner was back in the lineup, and that meant Eric Wedge had to get creative in order to fit Ryan Garko in the lineup, since Kelly Shoppach was Pavano's personal catcher. He placed Garko in right field, and although US Cellular's outfield isn't that spacious, it was a defensive gamble. It worked, for Garko hit a home run in the sixth inning to push the Indians lead to 5-0. Wedge pulled Garko soon afterwards for a better defensive arrangement. Pronk hit a home run as well, lining a Danks offspeed mistake into the right field bleachers in the fifth.
The Indians right now have two hot pitchers in Cliff Lee and Pavano, and essentially nothing else in the rotation. But with Detroit losing tonight, the Indians, even at 24-33, are just 6 games back. Granted, there are four teams still ahead of them, which makes 6-game deficit a lot more difficult to overcome, but if the Indians can hang around until the end of the month, they have the talent to make a run at this division. They'd have absolutely no chance in any other division, but in this year's AL Central it's still anybody's season. The key is getting even mediocrity from Jeremy Sowers and David Huff, who are going to be in the rotation through at least the end of this month.
Next Up: Sowers vs. Floyd, 4:05 PM
| HIghest WPA | Lowest WPA | ||
| Carl Pavano | .328 | Kelly Shoppach | -.070 |
| Mark DeRosa | .241 | Victor Martinez | -.029 |
| Ryan Garko | .041 | Ben Francisco | -.022 |
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Eric Wedge had to get creative in order to fit Ryan Garko in the lineup
even I as a Garko supporter never thought I’d read this
by world dictator on Jun 5, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With Phillies-Dodgers as the lead game, you will need to be within 200 miles of Cleveland or Chicago or in Maine, to see Saturday’s game on Fox.
by palcal on Jun 6, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is St. Louis within 200 miles of Chicago? I am so bad with this stuff I have no idea. I actually assume we get the Dodgers. Which sucks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About 300, you might stand a fighting chance.
"I gotta be honest, I dunno much about the climate in Japan." - Matt Underwood
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. We always get the Dodgers. Because apparently St. Louisans really care about LA.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get the Dodgers. You could drive to Springfield, IL.
by FredOx on Jun 6, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. I’ll do that. Nope Gameday for me.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The games Sunday AND Monday are on ESPN!
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 6, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is good news.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just realized you meant next Sunday and Monday. I’ll ne at the game on Sunday and probably home in time for the game on Monday but maybe not.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA thinks everyone cares about LA.
"I gotta be honest, I dunno much about the climate in Japan." - Matt Underwood
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do but shockingly I don’t care at all about either of the baseball teams there and the only caring I do for the Lakers is hating them. Actually I don’t really care about LA at all except for The Hills.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
West Coast envy. Its alright. I would be too if I were you
by world dictator on Jun 6, 2009 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness, the Dodgers are both a popular and storied team, and the Phillies are the defending champs.
I just have become mellow on this subject. I don’t ever expect to get the Indians televised on a Saturday afternoon.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I hear ya, but if I didn’t complain I wouldn’t have anything else to say.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it’s an NLCS rematch…
It’s just so obnoxious that those of us in markets that don’t get the Indians on TV can’t get them on the internet either. But that is an old and well-worn topic.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 6, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they’re both in first place while the Indians and White Sox are both under .500.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 6, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of these points matter. They should have one national game or at least let people who pay for things like mlb.tv use it to watch the games they can’t see because Fox decides who is interested in what.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let people who pay for things like mlb.tv use it to watch the games they can’t see because Fox decides who is interested in what.
I mean, seriously. Those who are dedicated enough to buy MLB TV are presumably mostly diehard fans of a team. The ad revenue gained by blacking out the other games can’t be much compared to the ill will they incite against the network. Besides which, what’s to stop them from having a deal with mlb.com whereby they can still show their ads on the internet feeds?
by Logodaedalus on Jun 6, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They matter as far as which game is shown in markets across the country. But, you’re right, you should be able to watch the other games on mlb.tv that aren’t shown by Fox. That’s ridiculous.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 6, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since they revised the blackout rule slightly this year, there are very few blacked-out games that aren’t being shown on Fox. The problem is with the Fox games that you can’t see in your specific locality.
I agree that they should show all the Fox games on MLB.tv and MLB-EI, and I have to think there’s a way to deal with the advertising that would make it work. The whole “blackout” concept stems from what I believe is a misconception about baseball fans. I think very few fans have more than a slight interest in watching any game that doesn’t involve their own team, with very few exceptions.
Baseball is much more focused on the home team — to the exclusion of interest in other clubs — than basketball or football. That is why the postseason ratings are so terrible — it isn’t that baseball is unpopular, it’s just that in any given market, the other 29 teams are unpopular. And that is why a “game of the week” with local blackouts never really made any sense.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 6, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think very few fans have more than a slight interest in watching any game that doesn’t involve their own team, with very few exceptions.
Yes. This is exactly what I was alluding to… Personally if I have a choice between listening to a Tribe game with no picture and watching some other team on TV, I’ll go with the former every time. Blacking me out of the Indians has no benefit to Fox — I’m just going to switch to radio, not watch the game they do let me see. I’m guessing that most MLB.tv subscribers (perhaps even most baseball fans) are the same way.
by Logodaedalus on Jun 6, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Neyer has written about this recently. I guess MLB had a meeting recently about the blackout and territorial rules but didn’t make any changes, which he found very upsetting. Baseball can be very slow with these changes too many times. Since I live in Columbus I don’t have to worry about any of these problems but I can understand the frustrations of those who do.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 6, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t really mean that to sound as harsh as it may have. I am just eternally annoyed at Fox and their blackout rules.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Fox wont show the Indians game, I’m sure you can watch live streams online for free. Today’s game was on Sticktv.com. It’s an adventure looking for the correct site that will actually broadcast a White Sox or Indians game, though. I’ll look for a link tomorrow and post it here if I find one.
by Cleveland Indians on Jun 6, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is Pavano’s adjusted ERA if we omit the start from hell?
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
by mjschaefer on Jun 6, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do we know what his FIP minus aforementioned start from hell?
by world dictator on Jun 6, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s sick nasty.
is it a stretch to say Pavano is one of the best pitchers in the league right now?
by world dictator on Jun 6, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t look like it.
a FIP of 3.20 would place him in 5th in the AL. His 3.55 has him in 12th
by world dictator on Jun 6, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I don’t disagree with anything here, I just think its funny that you answered you’re own question.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully, we get a day off Monday, too — and Chicago’s rotation is just as bad as ours. Sowers and Huff have decent match-ups this weekend, then we get Lee and Pavano back to back Tuesday and Wednesday.
I think we get Greinke next week, though (although he got hit hard today).
Westbrook starts for Akron tomorrow!
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 6, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and supposedly Laffey is supposed to start his rehab soon. Gammons said 3rd week in June for both of them, but I would think more like 3 weeks from today — 3-4 rehab starts.
But that’s me being hopeful.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 6, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE’RE SO WINNING THIS DIVISION
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 6, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i almost wish we were 18 out….this makes it all the more painful-HOPE. But really man, it is encouraging to think we could get Westbrook back. And if and when Grady and Droobs get back…Nah, we suck still.
by RD74 on Jun 6, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you realize how bad we’d have to be? We wouldn’t have ten wins at this time for your wish to be true. Eehh!
by larzko on Jun 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should be noted that one hitter really swung the bat well tonight…Josh Barfield!! Probably just a one-game aberration, but he was really on most everything tonight.
by TribeJay on Jun 6, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton, obviously getting carried away, said JB’s ninth-inning at-bat against Blobby was his best as an Indian.
by odradek on Jun 6, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I caught that and I laughed. But just because he was carried away doesn’t mean he wasn’t right.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 6, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 for 4 with an RBI — Wedge will probably bench him tomorrow.
-Kyle
by Kyle Garret on Jun 6, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Tribe leads the majors in games played, with 57. There are a few other teams with 56, but the Indians have played the most. Will this help as the season goes on? Does it bode well that there may be days off later in the summer? Will it help them play better in the second half?
by odradek on Jun 6, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would an ape make a human doll that talks?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 6, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might, but it would be eeeeeevil….
by Logodaedalus on Jun 6, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying too hard.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Jay on Jun 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the first time.
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 6, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve noticed this and I have wondered the same thing.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jun 6, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are one win from not being in last. I can’t believe this
by Roger Dorn on Jun 6, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Already excited.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
by mjschaefer on Jun 6, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just looked at the may 28, 2008 gamethread. we had no idea anything was wrong with him. sigh.
FE WEE
by westbrook on Jun 6, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope his second rehab start improves upon his first. Baby steps.
by FredOx on Jun 6, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t expect him to be himself for a while. He hasn’t pitched in a long time. I can’t remember someone coming back from TJ and picking right up where they left off.
by odradek on Jun 6, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t which is more shocking to me – that we are 9 games below .500, or that we are only 6 games out of 1st place
by APV on Jun 6, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is our starting pitching depth chart right now, I wonder, beyond Lee, Pavano, Sowers, Huff? Any guesses?
by MTF on Jun 6, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Feller.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can find Mark Whiten. He struck out the side once, if I remember correctly.
by Buckeye Brad on Jun 6, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mediocrity now! Slightly above average later!
by APV on Jun 6, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow – looking at the numbers, Pavano is on pace to be about 4 wins above replacement. If he does that, he’ll be somewhere in the neighborhood of a top-30 pitcher. This one already looks like a huge win for Shapiro & co.
by APV on Jun 6, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“You can not use injuries as an excuse for this season!!! FIRE SHAPIRO!!!”
End NickFantana.
by gte619n on Jun 6, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right next to each other in this thread are the words “fire shapiro” and “pavano.” Think there’s anything strange here?
by peter m on Jun 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pavano needs 3 wins to match his entire win total with the Yankees in his 4 years there
by Roger Dorn on Jun 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, as expected, the X-rays revealed a fracture of the joint at the tip of the finger, but it’s not anything that affects Carroll on throws, and, therefore, it’s nothing he can’t play through. “The doctor looked at me like I should be hurting worse than I am,” Caroll said. The finger is on the same hand Carroll broke earlier this year.
You would think that has to effect your swing, too.
by Toxicadam on Jun 6, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m still not sure how it doesn’t affect his throwing.. its the tip of his middle finger of his throwing hand. I don’t fully understand that.
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck. Wickman was missing parts of fingers. Can Carroll pitch?
by peter m on Jun 6, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing. Isn’t the tip of his middle finger what is ruining the career of Adam Miller?
Il faut d'abord durer.
by CU Adam on Jun 6, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When are you going to realize that Adam Miller is a figment of your imagination?
Though I look right at home, I still feel like an exile
by Manhattan Tribe Fan on Jun 6, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Son, back when I was your age, there was a fella from down in Texas signed up to play big leauge ball with the Indians. And let me tell you about his middle finger..”
Shin-Soo Choo, future U.S. Citizen.
by USSChoo on Jun 6, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Miller is wondering the same thing
by world dictator on Jun 6, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of this is that in five year people will be clamoring for a Pavano-type signing
by Roger Dorn on Jun 6, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a Pavano-type signing-deal…. another way in which 2009 produces PTSD
by Logodaedalus on Jun 6, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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